A nobody by any other name

[WilliamTheWise]

You mean that bald guy in the BBS video, though, right?

No wrong guy.
This one

 

[xxxtonyxxxx]

so what youre trying to say is

kairi's heart was under two peoples possesion,herself,and sora meaning at the time sora possesed 2 hearts,his, and kairi's and kairi possesed 1 her own.

So we minuswell can say sora had two hearts and kairi had one

Because of this it can be assumed that when the incident occurred in hollow bastion 3 nobodies were created

technically there was only 2 hearts but 1 of them had 2 owners so 2+1=3 nobodies

 

[Axie]

so what youre trying to say is

kairi's heart was under two peoples possesion,herself,and sora meaning at the time sora possesed 2 hearts,his, and kairi's and kairi possesed 1 her own.

So we minuswell can say sora had two hearts and kairi had one

Because of this it can be assumed that when the incident occurred in hollow bastion 3 nobodies were created

technically there was only 2 hearts but 1 of them had 2 owners so 2+1=3 nobodies

Uh, no. Wrong thread. Also, you can OWN a heart all you want, but you gotta LOSE it to create a Nobody. Two hearts lost, two Nobodies created. This ain't complicated stuff.

 

[Auron]

Well, maybe Kairi's heart was ripped in half or something, which is why her body was there but not able to do anything, cuz she was missing only half of her heart

 

[Axie]

Well, maybe Kairi's heart was ripped in half or something, which is why her body was there but not able to do anything, cuz she was missing only half of her heart

If she's only missing half, doesn't that mean that when her heart leaves Sora, only half of a Nobody will be created? Since it's Namine, I guess that works, but...

 

[xxxtonyxxxx]

listen here boy,


watch cuzin ima find something that explains the process of what happens when a nobody is created

 

[Auron]

If she's only missing half, doesn't that mean that when her heart leaves Sora, only half of a Nobody will be created? Since it's Namine, I guess that works, but...

Exactly, but since there's two halves, TWO half Nobodies would be created, aka Namine and Xion
Would explain why Namine wanted to meet her.......
WAIT!
Maybe Xion recombines with Namine in Days!
And that's what happened to her, why we don't see her in CoM or KH2!
:thumbsup:

 

[Axie]

Exactly, but since there's two halves, TWO half Nobodies would be created, aka Namine and Xion
Would explain why Namine wanted to meet her.......
WAIT!
Maybe Xion recombines with Namine in Days!
And that's what happened to her, why we don't see her in CoM or KH2!
:thumbsup:

Yeah, I thought about that one too...but I don't fully understand it. If Xion is the Sora part (thus being a wielder), and she leaves Namine, then Namine would only be a Nobody of Kairi and wouldn't have control over Sora's memories. If Xion is the Kairi part, which is more likely, then Namine would become a Nobody of just Sora, and that would just really screw with my head.

Or something. I'm not making sense anymore.

Tony, SHUT UP and stop hijacking the thread! If you wanna change the subject, FINE, but nobody wants a bunch of clones clogging the forum!

 

[xxxtonyxxxx]

well i already have said the thing about two halves=xion and namine
but i was thinking that xion has to fuse with kairi instead of namine

axie lol hijacking?
not a good choice of words why not manipulating and im not changing the subject its just what this guy meant is what i have said before

 

[Axie]

Wait wait--you said, one half leaves Kairi and goes to Sora. Then Sora ejects this heart and creates Namine.

But the other half stays with Kairi and does nothing.

How does this create Xion?

I'm not saying it's beyond possibility, but I sincerely doubt hearts can halve like that. Sounds like something that'll hit us later on down the road.

 

[Auron]

I never said my theory was perfect
It's exactly what I said it was
A theory
I did not look that far down the road

 

[Axie]

I never said my theory was perfect
It's exactly what I said it was
A theory
I did not look that far down the road

I know this, and I'm only talking here. I may be shooting it full of holes, but I'm doing it in the nicest possible way. :3

Tony has evoked my wrath and is another story.

 

[Auron]

At least you're not shooting it full of holes just to watch it bleed
Thank you

 

[Qarx]

What if Naminé is actually connected to Aqua, and we've only been led to believe Naminé is Kairi's Nobody, and Xion is actually Kairi's Nobody or something. That would explain Xion's Keyblade use, and Naminé's memory loss, and if Roxas is connected to Ven, it would explain HIS memory loss, as well. But then....

Feel free to point out how crappy this theory is.

 

[Axie]

What if Naminé is actually connected to Aqua, and we've only been led to believe Naminé is Kairi's Nobody, and Xion is actually Kairi's Nobody or something. That would explain Xion's Keyblade use, and Naminé's memory loss, and if Roxas is connected to Ven, it would explain HIS memory loss, as well. But then....

Feel free to point out how crappy this theory is.

:/ Problem is, if Namine's connected to Aqua, how does she hold sway over Sora? (Unless Aqua had some background in memories, which would be interesting--but the fact remains that she reflects Xion's hairstyle.)

It actually wouldn't explain the Keyblade use, since Kairi was only using Riku's. While she had the ABILITY to wield it, she wasn't CHOSEN to.

THERE'S A THOUGHT! Roxas and Xion both lost their memories and are both (likely) connected to Ven and Aqua, and so did Xehanort, who is presumably connected to Terra (not that Xehanort's a Nobody, but still). I wonder if they lost them for that reason...? Nobody else (YAY PUNS) had that happen that we know of.

Egh. This is going to be so much easier in February. XP

 

[Keyboy7]

I never said my theory was perfect
It's exactly what I said it was
A theory
I did not look that far down the road

Actually you just built on MY[/B theory...]

 

[Roxas/Sora17]

Your theory seems well thought out. But I have something slightly different.

I think that a POH couldn't have two Nobodies, because their hearts are pure Light. However, a normal person may be able to have two Nobodies. In essence, a Nobody is the body and soul left behind when a Heartless is born, so you would think that if the person was more of Light, their Nobody would also be mostly of Light (possibly showing more, like you said Roxas was 'lighter' than Sora, and Naminè was 'lighter' than Kairi), and if that person were more of Darkness, then their Nobody would also be mostly of Darkness, on the premise that the soul and heart are equal in their Light/Dark balance. So, if you became a Heartless, your Nobody is born from your soul. This would embody whichever essence (Light/Dark) was stronger in your heart (and therefore stronger in your soul.). If you were to merge with your Nobody and become whole again (like Sora/Roxas and Kairi/Naminè did), maybe becoming a Heartless would make your Nobody embody the other essence that is lesser in your heart. So, for example, if Sora became a Heartless again after becoming whole, he might make Roxas and a new Nobody that would be more of Darkness (because it is lesser in Sora's heart).

But even that theory wouldn't explain Xion's existence, because if Kairi was her Somebody, that would mean Kairi has some Darkness in her heart, which she can't, being a POH.

Plus, if a Nobody is truly a body and soul left behind, then how could you make two Nobodies without two bodies? But, then again, her heart was in Sora's but she couldn't use Sora's body to create another Nobody, because he's using it. But also, maybe it was part of his body, and it was given back before KHII (being Days takes place somewhere in between).

I'm sorry that was so long, and probably confusing, but that's my thought.

 

[dartgoonkeyblade]

Few words of advice for next time: Indentation and punctuation.



Theoretically speaking, not another nobody but just Roxas; either the way it happened in HB or they will remain two separate entities.



Fixed.

And no, unless you have a pure heart it's not possible for regular beings.



There's always a possibility considering the way Namine was created and so on...



Duh :laugh:



That indeed is true, reason being that she wasn't an actual part of the Org, thus no anagram.
And time dilation in KH is overrated when concerning the nobodies =\ The only contradiction to that is Namine who is noticeably taller in KH2 than in CoM

Xion, concerning looks is still Kairi, and older Kairi no less. You get to thinking it's the younger one because of the hair which is only natural.




That was more likely for aesthetic purposes than anything, the whole hair and slightly different skin color variation.



Plausible but arguable as well *waits for PMF*



The whole light/dark thing could be considered, but I'm aiming for a representation of the characters.
It's mostly for design so I doubt it :\ though I have to admit that would give us a reason to believe why Xion can wield a keyblade.

But most of this has been reiterated before, still you put a good amount of effort into it.

Kudos.

Yttrxium pretty much owned this tread

 

[Genocide]

Okay so Sora lost his heart in Hallow Bastion when he unlocked the princess hearts. He became a heartless, and roxas is born. Okay we know that Roxas is for sure Sora's nobody because A) it follows the name rule (jumbled with an X) and B) he looks like an inverted sora (wearing mostly white instead of black, blond instead of brown hair, spiking up instead of to the sides. Now here is question one. If sora were to lose his heart again, would another nobody be born?
Okay so we also know that kairi is a princess of heart, a being of pure light. Could here conditions for nobodies being created be different from normal people. Ill get right to my far-fetched theory. Could kairi have TWO nobodies. In my eyes, Xion looks like Kh1 kairi. Now, I know she doesn't follow the name rule, but neither does namine. She does however follow the inverted appearance rule. she also looks like kairi did at the time when she actually lost her heart, instead of the older kairi. I can't assume that Namine is not kairi's nobody because at the end of KH2 Kairi and her combined, which couldn't happen if she wasn't kairi's other half. This would mean that the only way for my theory to make sense, would be for kairi to have two nobodies. This could be because of her status as a POH, but i have a theory that would make much more sense. A nobody is born when the heart within a body is lost. The emty shell of the body becomes a nobody, a being with no heart. But since the actual shell inst lost in some cases (kairi's heartless body was being kept with Riku for quite a while, and Sora regained his body also) I believe that how the nobody looks is determined by the heart being lost itself. The heart contains all aspects of that person, so if the person was pure, the nobody would take on a lighter appearance (such as roxas to sora). Okay so here it comes, the climax of my hopefully coherent theory. Namine was created when Kairi lost her heart for the first time, on destiny islands. And xion was created when kairi's heart left Sora's body in Hallow Bastion. Both times, The act of the heart leaving the shell was achieved, and both times a Nobody was born. Namine appears Lighter, because of Kairie's POH status, and xion darker because she left Sora, Who is more or less a normal person. This is also why Xion can wield the keyblade, because she was released from a body that knew how. *whew* tell em what you think. :bored:

Out of that whole theory, I only saw Namine and climax, which is taking my mind somplace this theory isn't.

So give me the tl;dr version.

*waits for PMF*

PMF was a hack.

 

[Axie]

Out of that whole theory, I only saw Namine and climax, which is taking my mind somplace this theory isn't.

So give me the tl;dr version.

Namine happened at Hollow Bastion and Xion happened when Roxas did.

Also masturbation.