DO you think BBS is the best KH game yet?

[Wehrmacht]

I've only just started BBS, so I don't have a full opinion on it yet. However I'd have to kind of agree with Silh and scubasteve anyway.

I think it's true that nostalgia plays a lot into why people hold KH1 in such a high esteem. I don't have any such thing, so when I played it, it came across to me as a very rough and flawed game in terms of overall design: horrible camera, awkward platforming, etc. In fact a lot of the reason why people find it more difficult than KH2 has a lot to do with KH1's design flaws. It's really not that great a game at all.

...and yet it's still probably the best KH game. Why? "Charm"; in other words, the mix of Final Fantasy and Disney, two things a lot of people really like, mashed together with a not particularly excellent but serviceable Squeeaboo story, was so fresh at the time and ended up being a lot more than the sum of its parts. That's all KH in general has ever really had going for it, really.

However, the initial novelty of the idea has, by now, worn very thin. SE has opted to greatly develop the series' original story, which unfortunately is not that great due to poor execution, terrible dialogue, and just overall bland writing.

The Organization is probably one of the biggest reasons for this. I liked them a lot in CoM and thought they had a lot of potential to be cool villains, but KH2's execution ruined any chance of that.

 

[CaptainMarvelQ8]

all i care about is that i enjoyed playing every single kh game
/thread

 

[Dexter]

I've only just started BBS, so I don't have a full opinion on it yet. However I'd have to kind of agree with Silh and scubasteve anyway.

I think it's true that nostalgia plays a lot into why people hold KH1 in such a high esteem. I don't have any such thing, so when I played it, it came across to me as a very rough and flawed game in terms of overall design: horrible camera, awkward platforming, etc. In fact a lot of the reason why people find it more difficult than KH2 has a lot to do with KH1's design flaws. It's really not that great a game at all.

...and yet it's still probably the best KH game. Why? "Charm"; in other words, the mix of Final Fantasy and Disney, two things a lot of people really like, mashed together with a not particularly excellent but serviceable Squeeaboo story, was so fresh at the time and ended up being a lot more than the sum of its parts. That's all KH in general has ever really had going for it, really.

However, the initial novelty of the idea has, by now, worn very thin. SE has opted to greatly develop the series' original story, which unfortunately is not that great due to poor execution, terrible dialogue, and just overall bland writing.

The Organization is probably one of the biggest reasons for this. I liked them a lot in CoM and thought they had a lot of potential to be cool villains, but KH2's execution ruined any chance of that.

Well since you only started BBS I'm sure you'll think otherwise of the story.

The way that BBS does it's story, with the 3 perspectives is very unique. The story is also very thrilling, and one of the best in the overall series imo.

 

[Xammag]

First:
Well, when you make a thread asking is it the best game of the series it means "Is this game better than all the rest?". People have their opinions of what the best game is, it turns it into "Tell us why your game is the best and BBS is not".

Second:
WHAT??? I don't understand why people say KH1 was the best. BBS completely knocks KH1 out of the park!
KH2 had NO depth. It was just mash X the whole entire game and win.
K, then try again. Tell me how anything bad from KH2 can be said about KH1. Or how KH2 is better than KH1 at all.

Third:
Can we not flame...I don't see how anybody can win an opinionated argument...does anybody realize that? When 2 people have views on a subject that is completely opininated, generally, nobody wins

Fourth:
You made a shit argument. YOU HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY KHII isn't bad.
KH2's worlds didn't have jackshit to do with anything going on in the plot at that moment.
BBS fixed ALOT of the problems that we saw in KH2 and added things we see from KH1. Which is why it is one of the best KH games to date.

I can't wait until I start my Psychology class.

The way it should be:
all i care about is that i enjoyed playing every single kh game
/thread

 

[rawpower]

Yes this is definitely the best KH game, but there is still a lot of room for improvment. I hope the next console installment does things far better.

 

[Birthday Thunder]

I'm in love with this game lol can't put it down really.....

But I am trying to pace myself. The story is great. Why was KH2 bad again? It's one of my faves.

 

[Silverslide]

I'm in love with this game lol can't put it down really.....

But I am trying to pace myself. The story is great. Why was KH2 bad again? It's one of my faves.

*sigh*

I just posted an essay stating why on the last page

 

[Dexter]

Yes this is definitely the best KH game, but there is still a lot of room for improvment. I hope the next console installment does things far better.

I'm sure it will, considering the psp has various limitations to consider...If anything, versus should be a sample of what to expect in kh3

 

[gelandporn]

The series was initially presented as a collaboration of Final Fantasy and Disney characters, primarily why I was drawn to the series to begin with. As Steve put it earlier, we've been seeing less and less of this with every installment. You take away the idea, you take away what some people liked about it in the first place.

What's one person's idea of charm is another person's idea of fan service and cameos. Which is all Final Fantasy ever has been in this series. At its core, the KH series is a mesh between Square Enix and Disney more so than it is specifically Final Fantasy and Disney.
As for the Disney aspect, there has been a relative decline in involvement, but nothing consistent or particularly substantial. We had less involvement in CoM, more in KH2, less in Days, more in BbS.

The original story has always taken precedence, and if they expand on it, that as I see it is a good thing. Kingdom Hearts suffers from an identity crisis- it doesn't know exactly what it wants to be and its popularity hinges on two more popular franchises. It ought to make something of itself. And if you don't like what that is (inevitably, people won't- they'll realize they were only ever drawn to the Disney/Final Fantasy), I still see more merit in attempting to make a name for itself than relying on the crutch that is this "charm" you're referring to.

 

[Ventus91]

Well KH BBS is better than KH 358/2 Days, KH2, and KH Re CoM but not better than the first one.

 

[impart]

no,

why in the crap would you make a prequel that takes place AFTER a major war?

and THEN explain so little about it

so, as far as story quality goes pleah! bleah!

gameplay is fun as hell though

but, story>gameplay

 

[Xammag]

no,

why in the crap would you make a prequel that takes place AFTER a major war?

and THEN explain so little about it

so, as far as story quality goes pleah! bleah!

gameplay is fun as hell though

but, story>gameplay

Because the people of the prequel have more importance to the current story than 100+ Keybladers killing each other in a light vs. dark crusade.

 

[impart]

yes I know, but why not involve them in it?

would it be so hard to do?

xehanort says that he wanted to live to see what happened after the keyblade war
doesn't that kinda imply he was around during it?

unless were going to find out about the key blade war later why tell us so little about it

at least explain it well if your going to have a game that takes place AFTER it, because it affects the story

 

[Xammag]

yes I know, but why not involve them in it?

would it be so hard to do?

xehanort says that he wanted to live to see what happened after the keyblade war
doesn't that kinda imply he was around during it?

Spoiler Show

"In order for this to be done, however, Xehanort would need to join two hearts, one of pure light (Ventus) and the other of pure darkness. The one of pure darkness, whom he named Vanitas, would later become his apprentice and seek to open Kingdom Hearts through the χ-Blade, thus allowing Keyblade wielders from other worlds to reassemble in the Keyblade Graveyard, starting a second Keyblade War."

Yeah, yeah, KHwiki is a conspiracy and is out to get me, blah, blah.

From that, it sounds like he just wanted to start another war so he could witness this one, but I doubt that was the extent of it. I think he wanted to start a second war in order to wipe out those who followed the light or create the balance between light and dark. I don't know, he's a confusing old man.

"And when Kingdom Hearts is complete, it is said the one who opens its door will bring about the creation of the Next World. Such a feat is above any human. Or, to put it a different way: whoever opens that door will be reborn as something far greater than human.

Light and darkness are two sides of the same coin; without darkness, there is no light. The Keyblade wielders' great war over Kingdom Hearts was fought by defenders of the light, servants of darkness, those who sought to reconcile the two, and those motivated by nothing more than lust for power. A whole spectrum of thought was swept into the conflict, and the worlds that did not go to war found the war brought to them. In the end, the whole World was cast into darkness.

That was how the ancient Keyblade War drew to a close. To this day, no one has ever managed to open the door to Kingdom Hearts."

Thats basically what the war was and how he saw it.

"Someone must tear down this tyranny of light and reorganize the World around the darkness which then creeps back in."

Alright, so apparently he wants the power of Kingdom Hearts in order to break the tyranny of light, which was fine and all but Eraqus was a bit light crazy, but he went dark crazy and wanted to build the world around darkness the way its built around light. This is essentially saying "My sandwich has too much peanut butter and not enough jelly. I'm going to "balance" it by putting more jelly on it than peanut butter."


"Master Eraqus and Master Xehanort do discuss the events of the Keyblade War, having heard legends of it. "
From this, it seems like they were not alive during the time of the war.

 

[impart]

yeah, but still

they should have explained the war
if it was such a big deal

that's all im saying

 

[Xammag]

yeah, but still

they should have explained the war
if it was such a big deal

that's all im saying

I understand what you're saying. The best explanation I could find is the one quotes above.

However, I do doubt they will go a step further back into the Keyblade War, especially if his true goal is to just make another one in order to re-order the world. So, maybe its a taste of whats to come .

 

[skyfoxx]

no,

why in the crap would you make a prequel that takes place AFTER a major war?

and THEN explain so little about it

so, as far as story quality goes pleah! bleah!

gameplay is fun as hell though

but, story>gameplay

So let me get this straight... just because it doesn't "explain" the keyblade war, the story is suddenly crap? >_>

 

[Tails_Night]

It was awesomely great. I throroughly enjoyed it, my only dissatisfaction about it is the lack of true online play, since it's just local only.

 

[loke13]

Hell no. KH2 is.-_-

 

[Z3N]

Heh. Finally finished. Last episode + secret ending placed it in 2nd place for me now. c: The nostalgia hit finally.

Man.
That was pretty dang cool. c: Still has yet to beat the first game for me...heh. c: But 2nd is pretty dang awesome.