Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unversed So Far

[VenAqua]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

Well there is said to be a disaster. Perhaps it destroys Xehanort's memories and makes him appear near Ansem.

 

[Memory Master]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

Well I think Terra or MX became an unbirth and was reborn as the younger xehanort. Considering that unbirthing in fetish terms invovles rebirth and loss of memories from the previous life.

 

[Smile]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

Considering that unbirthing invovles rebirth and loss of memories from the previous life.

You mean - "Assuming that Unbirthings involves..."

 

[Memory Master]

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You mean - "Assuming that Unbirthings involves..."

Well yes but not in the sexual-fantasy term. Just a similar process that would be more suited to kingdom hearts. Mabey unbirthing of a heart or something. But perhaps with the similar results. MX goes through some kind of unbirthing process and is reborn as the Xehanort that becomes Ansem's apprentince. Just not sure how they would do it. Anyway it's just an idea.

 

[Smile]

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Which is what I wanted you to clarify. We don't know what Unbirths are, so - don't "consider" anything :\

 

[Memory Master]

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Which is what I wanted you to clarify. We don't know what Unbirths are, so - don't "consider" anything :\

It's just an idea, and are'nt we supposed to consider every possibility when forming an idea? And I ideas and theories are what this section is for, is it not?

 

[Smile]

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It is. Just phrase it so people won't mistake it for fact, is all I'm asking. Spares a world of grief all around later on.

 

[Memory Master]

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It is. Just phrase it so people won't mistake it for fact, is all I'm asking. Spares a world of grief all around later on.

Oh yes, I see what you mean. That could cause a whole lot of unneccesary theories to be made, good point. I have edited my post where I mentioned unbirthing so people will know that i'm talking about the fetish and not something to do with the actual game.

 

[Superschlock]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

Well, Im all stumped about what to think Unbirths are.

 

[Azrael]

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Well, Im all stumped about what to think Unbirths are.

Well consider the fact that the Unbirths were once the natural beings that dwelled in the Realm of the Darkness that were complete beings of themselves with a body, soul and heart yet filled with darkness. It is pretty much something to consider that if Xehanort had tinkered with and later created the Heartless to let them loose, wouldn't you think some of these new Heartless would return to the Realm of Darkness since it is filled with darkness, dark hearts. These Unbirths would be consumed by the Heartless and become Heartless themselves eventually going extinct.

I'm going to flamed. So yeah

 

[Smile]

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Well consider the fact that the Unbirths were once the natural beings that dwelled in the Realm of the Darkness that were complete beings of themselves with a body, soul and heart yet filled with darkness.

To be completely honest, seeing how Xehanort was the one that created the Heartless, and how there're so many Artificial Heartless running around, they're not that "natural".
That aside, we also don't know how Unbirths are born, so we can't really say their birth was natural either.

I'm going to flamed. So yeah

Not flamed, but I disagree with your phrasing :v

 

[Key of Valor]

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Here's my thoughts on the Unbirths: When Nomura was first asked about the new enemy, he reminded the fans that the main Heartless was called a Shadow and the main Nobody was called a Dusk. Based off the dirrections of the Crossroads, there are Light, Dawn, Darkness, and Nightfall. Possibly each enemy might be part of a different domain. Shadows are of Darkness of course because they are 'darkness made real'. Nobodies, though they claim to be of nothingness, are twilight beings who exist inbetween, and like nightfall they are destined to fade into darkness. I think Unbirths are comparable to that of beings of the Dawn domain, since dawn is essentially the birth of the day.

More specifically, I think MX will interfer with world order and Kingdom Hearts in BBS and by affect Unbirths may spawn directly from Kingdom Hearts itself, which would do well to explain how they come into existence without the 'lost of heart' process that produces Heartless and Nobody. I think Unbirths will be composed of hearts that have yet to be born into the world, which further explains their name. I think the concept of the birth of the heart has yet to be properly explored in the series so it seems fitting that such a concept should be explored in Birth By Sleep.

I think at the end of BBS the knights will be at least partially successful in stopping MX and by doing so will correct the damage to world thus stopping Unbirths to exist. (Perhaps though something else might harm world order which is why Heartless and Nobodies come into existence soon afterwards)

 

[Memory Master]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

Here's my thoughts on the Unbirths: When Nomura was first asked about the new enemy, he reminded the fans that the main Heartless was called a Shadow and the main Nobody was called a Dusk. Based off the dirrections of the Crossroads, there are Light, Dawn, Darkness, and Nightfall. Possibly each enemy might be part of a different domain. Shadows are of Darkness of course because they are 'darkness made real'. Nobodies, though they claim to be of nothingness, are twilight beings who exist inbetween, and like nightfall they are destined to fade into darkness. I think Unbirths are comparable to that of beings of the Dawn domain, since dawn is essentially the birth of the day.

More specifically, I think MX will interfer with world order and Kingdom Hearts in BBS and by affect Unbirths may spawn directly from Kingdom Hearts itself, which would do well to explain how they come into existence without the 'lost of heart' process that produces Heartless and Nobody. I think Unbirths will be composed of hearts that have yet to be born into the world, which further explains their name. I think the concept of the birth of the heart has yet to be properly explored in the series so it seems fitting that such a concept should be explored in Birth By Sleep.

I think at the end of BBS the knights will be at least partially successful in stopping MX and by doing so will correct the damage to world thus stopping Unbirths to exist. (Perhaps though something else might harm world order which is why Heartless and Nobodies come into existence soon afterwards)

i like that Idea, it makes sense.

 

[VenAqua]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

I'm still going with disaster.

 

[Memory Master]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

In the secret ending when MX shoots that purple orb into KH, you can see some weird looking thing in the middle of that orb. I wonder if that is an unborn heart?

 

[Faris]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

i thought it was his keyblade.

 

[Key of Valor]

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There is 'circumstancial evidence' that Master Xehanort's Keyblade
turned into that orb. This evidence being how in slow motion you
can see how the light at the tip of the Keyblade retracts into the
center of the orb...

Personally that orb has always reminded of the hearts of the Princesses
of Heart looked, since the orb is also spherical, glowing, bright light in the
center. So I always thought that Master Xehanort's Keyblade might be
composed of a heart, like how the hearts of the PoH formed
the Dark Key from KH1.

When Master Xehanort shoots the orb into the sky, Kingdom Hearts
appears so I think it's possible that Master Xehanort was holding
Kingdom Hearts itself in his hands. If his Keyblade truly is composed
of this orb, and if this orb is Kingdom Hearts, then that would mean
that his Keyblade is composed of Kingdom Hearts...

Sounds like a fun idea to me.

 

[Faris]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

i dont quite think his keyblade is Kingdom hearts, but its a cool concept.

 

[Byronic Hero]

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There is 'circumstancial evidence' that Master Xehanort's Keyblade
turned into that orb. This evidence being how in slow motion you
can see how the light at the tip of the Keyblade retracts into the
center of the orb...

Actually its not. It is possible for a keyblade to be in a person'd hand, and then vanish and something else appear. It happened when Sora took his Keyblade back from Riku, Sora's wooden sword turned into the Keyblade, now I'm almost certain that wood cannot do that. So I think that MX just made his keyblade vanish and replaced it with whatever that magic spell was. Not that the orb was the keyblade itself.

 

[Key of Valor]

Re: Everything We Know About Birth By Sleep | Unbirths So Far

Well the evidence is not simply that the Keyblade disappeared
and the orb appeared. The evidence is that the a small bright
light from the tip of the Keyblade itself retracted into the orb and
became the bright light in the center of the orb. It's very
circumstancial but still a possible claim.