Everything We Know About XIV/Xion So Far

[Mikazuki]

Well maybe Aqua wasn't that close to him or maybe Xemnas doesn't remember her well enough. Sort of like a haze is over the memories (Riku about Sora).

...Wooo boy, I've come to the conclusion that you're die-hard of what you want to believe. Kinda makes me dizzy. @.@

Ok, here goes...When you go on an adventure to go and kill monsters and find some old and very powerful man, you'll get closer...And "friend" is a highly valued word in Kingdom Hearts, so it wouldn't have a light meaning on the level of "acquantance."

And all Sora had to remember was Kairi's name and all his memories starting flowing back. They didn't get connected automatically, but they all shone back into his heart...Not that they were out of it but...You get what I mean. And that Riku and Sora example isn't valid. Namine was screwing with everyone's memories, unintentionally, because Sora was regaining his own memories. Xemnas has no memory alteration brought on by an outside force.

 

[Smile]

Don't see that as possible since he'd have to remember her partially to remember that they were friends, and if you have memories of somebody extremely close and dear to you, remembering who they are triggers all your other memories, as Namine explained to Sora about Kairi's connection to him.

Eh, no. Sora didn't remember anything Namine didn't let him remember, so I don't think that's a valid point.

...Wooo boy, I've come to the conclusion that you're die-hard of what you want to believe. Kinda makes me dizzy. @.@

Think of it as actually basing what he believes in so it makes sense to him I do it too

And all Sora had to remember was Kairi's name and all his memories starting flowing back. They didn't get connected automatically, but they all shone back into his heart...Not that they were out of it but...You get what I mean.

Or maybe Namine just pieced them back together for him, seeing how he couldn't possibly remember anything otherwise.

And that Riku and Sora example isn't valid.

It is more than the Sora-Kairi one.

Namine was screwing with everyone's memories

...and you dare use examples basing on this yourself. Way to go.

because Sora was regaining his own memories.

Nope. Namine did it all on her own. She tore apart the Memories in Sora's Heart, thus taking apart the chains of Memories connecting him to anyone - making them forget him.

Xemnas has no memory alteration brought on by an outside force.

That we know of

 

[Mikazuki]

Eh, no. Sora didn't remember anything Namine didn't let him remember, so I don't think that's a valid point.

Right, but he had to awaken all the memories he had lost by remembering what's dearest to him, it being Kairi. Namine wouldn't have had him remember her if she could just piece them back together without that. He needed to reawaken the memories.

Or maybe Namine just pieced them back together for him, seeing how he couldn't possibly remember anything otherwise.

Correct, but like I said, he needed to reawaken the memories. Namine even said that herself by telling him he had to remember Kairi.

It is more than the Sora-Kairi one.


...and you dare use examples basing on this yourself. Way to go.

I was SAYING that Namine was messing with people's memories without wanting to because she was fixing Sora's memories. I was not using it as an example. I was correcting what I thought was wrong with what Riku said, don't get it twisted.

Nope. Namine did it all on her own. She tore apart the Memories in Sora's Heart, thus taking apart the chains of Memories connecting him to anyone - making them forget him.

And duh Namine was the one giving him his memories back, I didn't mean that Sora was doing it himself. He was asleep, how could he? I just said that he was regaining them, not that he was the one actually fixing them himself.

 

[Smile]

Right, but he had to awaken all the memories he had lost by remembering what's dearest to him, it being Kairi. Namine wouldn't have had him remember her if she could just piece them back together without that. He needed to reawaken the memories.

...reread your paragraph. It's self contradictory.
Namine reawakened Sora's Memories. That is why he remembered Kairi.

Correct, but like I said, he needed to reawaken the memories. Namine even said that herself by telling him he had to remember Kairi.

Or she did whatever she could to get Sora less obsessed about her seeing the damage him thinking Namine was most important did. Maybe.

 

[Mikazuki]

...reread your paragraph. It's self contradictory.
Namine reawakened Sora's Memories. That is why he remembered Kairi.

Nope. If you replay it, she says herself that she could not make him entirely forget about his deepest..."Memory-linker" we'll call her. She could not completely erase Kairi from his memory, and if he could remember Kairi, all his other memories were awakened, and thus able to be reassembled. He could not remember things even after remembering Kairi's name, but the memories were then there to be rearranged by Namine. It says all this in the game.

Or she did whatever she could to get Sora less obsessed about her seeing the damage him thinking Namine was most important did. Maybe.

Thanks to that bolded word, I don't even have to reply to that one.

 

[Smile]

Nope. If you replay it, she says herself that she could not make him entirely forget about his deepest..."Memory-linker" we'll call her.

That's because she can't erase Memories. The Memories will always be in Sora's Heart, albeit not connected. The same can be said about Namine after CoM. I don't see people calling her Sora's Memory-Linker.

She could not completely erase Kairi from his memory, and if he could remember Kairi, all his other memories were awakened,

Nope, that just means he remembered Kairi.

He could not remember things even after remembering Kairi's name

I've nothing more to say to this, seeing how you did the work for me. Thank you, Good Night.

 

[Mikazuki]

That's because she can't erase Memories. The Memories will always be in Sora's Heart, albeit not connected. The same can be said about Namine after CoM. I don't see people calling her Sora's Memory-Linker.



Nope, that just means he remembered Kairi.



I've nothing more to say to this, seeing how you did the work for me. Thank you, Good Night.

Your logic gives me headaches. >.<

You don't see people calling Namine Sora's "Memory-linker" because she is not that one important memory, or person however you wish to say it, that Namine can rearrange as many times as she likes and still not be able to make him forget. But Kairi is.

And Namine said herself that if Sora remembered Kairi, all the other memories would slowly start coming back. This does NOT mean that Sora could do it alone. If he remembered Kairi, Sora would slowly be -able- to remember his other memories with assitance from Namine rearranging the chains.

And like you once said something like this to me, giving up so soon? I'm disappointed.

But I suppose we should get back on topic. You seem to be stubborn to me, as I'm sure you could be thinking of me, so we should probably just agree to disagree and move on so we stop disrespecting Riku's thread.

Anyway, since I believe that Keyblades without keychains are training Keyblades, in a way, does anyone think that Riku -may- have called Xion's Keyblade a fake because it does not have a keychain? Maybe you can "sense" a difference between a true Keyblade and a training Keyblade?

And Angel's the only one in this thread that I know of that gets my training Keyblade theory, so she'd understand what I'm getting at with this. ^.^

 

[Audo]

You're giving Kairi way too much credit.
She isn't even that important - even to Sora.
Nami just likes to think she is.

EDIT: lame typos v.v

 

[Mikazuki]

You're giving Kairi way too much credit.
She isn't even that important - even to Kairi.
Nami just likes to think she is.

...It wasn't her importance as a character that I was getting at. It's her importance to Sora. Namine told Sora that Kairi is the one most important person and memory that would bring all the others back, with Namine's aid afterwards. Kairi and Sora are best friends, so she is important to him. This is someone that was important enough for Sora to contemplate sharing a paopu fruit with, which intertwines the destinies of the two sharers. She sounds pretty important to him to me. ^.^

And Riku, you didn't comment on what I was thinking about Xion's Keyblade. T.T Neglection...

*Corner sobs*

 

[Smile]

...It wasn't her importance as a character that I was getting at. It's her importance to Sora.

They are one and the same seeing she fails at everything else.

Namine told Sora that Kairi is the one most important person and memory that would bring all the others back, with Namine's aid afterwards.

Keep in mind Namine had to feed that to him, in part because she's been fed that before. Kairi isn't that important.

Kairi and Sora are best friends, so she is important to him.

Gawrsh, he must be best friends with Alice too then, seeing how he risked his life to save her. *cough*blondelove*cough*

This is someone that was important enough for Sora to contemplate sharing a paopu fruit with, which intertwines the destinies of the two sharers. She sounds pretty important to him to me. ^.^

That was because Riku teased him about it, and when he actually got the Paopu in his hands, he threw it away

And Riku, you didn't comment on what I was thinking about Xion's Keyblade. T.T Neglection...

He was blinded by the pro-Kairiness.

*marks another thread as burned by Anti-Kairiness thanks to her*

 

[Audo]

I fixed the typo... I meant to say she isn't even that important to Sora.

 

[Mikazuki]

They are one and the same seeing she fails at everything else.



Keep in mind Namine had to feed that to him, in part because she's been fed that before. Kairi isn't that important.



Gawrsh, he must be best friends with Alice too then, seeing how he risked his life to save her. *cough*blondelove*cough*



That was because Riku teased him about it, and when he actually got the Paopu in his hands, he threw it away



He was blinded by the pro-Kairiness.

*marks another thread as burned by Anti-Kairiness thanks to her*

Since I already said that I wanted to just agree to disagree and move on and get back on topic, I'll end it...Or open it up again since you did it for me...And end it again with this...

There's a difference between meeting someone on an adventure and standing up for injustice, like Alice's case, and growing up with someone as a child and developing a deep relationship.

And you know he thought in-depth about actually sharing that fruit with her. He decided not to, but the fact that he even thought about it shows that he meant alot to her. And maybe you're just not getting that I'm not being too pro-Kairi, honestly she doesn't make much of a difference to me as character, but maybe you're just being too con-Kairi to accept any of what I'm saying.

That's done...Comment again if you wish, but out of respect for the topic, I'm not replying. Feel free to think you won the argument. ^_^

So, about Xion's Keyblade, we've already ruled out the possibility of it being the one Kairi wielded, and there's a possibility that it's the one that Aqua wielded, which I'm strongly believing. Mostly because, since Riku claimed it as fake, I believe he did so because he saw that it had no keychain, thus, in my opinion, making it a training Keyblade. And perhaps true Keyblade masters can sense when a Keyblade is no a true Keyblade as well, but I don't know how he'd do that.

 

[Audo]

If it didn't have a keychain, I could see Riku thinking it was fake.
But I don't think he knows whether or not it actually is.

 

[Smile]

and growing up with someone as a child and developing a deep relationship.

Ooooh! You mean there's actually flashbacks of Sora and Kairi together?! where, WHERE?!
...oh poo, you lied ;[

And you know he thought in-depth about actually sharing that fruit with her.

I know he didn't want to lose to Riku.

That's done...Comment again if you wish, but out of respect for the topic, I'm not replying. Feel free to think you won the argument. ^_^

I don't think I won, think what you want, I just think it's sad, is all XD

And perhaps true Keyblade masters can sense when a Keyblade is no a true Keyblade as well, but I don't know how he'd do that.

Sora didn't know squat about the Keyblade either. If that's the case which seems to make sense to me, it's possible he simply knew, just like how Terra seems to know Snow-White (was it her?) had a Heart of Pure Light.

 

[Mikazuki]

If I were him and REALLY didn't wanna believe that she, not her specifically but anothe person in general, could have a Keyblade, I'd look for any minor detail.

"Your blade is chipped! That is NOT a real Keyblade!"

Riku, Riku, Riku...Denial is always the first stage. Tsk tsk tks.

And Angel, good point, but being able to sense things in ones heart may actually be a trait only usable by those using darkness...Like how Organization members can tell "scents." Since Maleficent did say that Terra was steeping in darkness, he could have gained this ability. Although it's just as possible that being adept in reading one's heart can give you that power too...But sensing things from a Keyblade is different since it's not a heart...Hmm...*Ponders, ponders and ponders some more*

 

[Smile]

If I were him and REALLY didn't wanna believe that she, not her specifically but anothe person in general, could have a Keyblade, I'd look for any minor detail.

"Your blade is chipped! That is NOT a real Keyblade!"

Riku, Riku, Riku...Denial is always the first stage. Tsk tsk tks.

That actually makes sense, seeing how he also confronted Roxas about it. I think it was trauma from him daring Sora about the Keyblade and losing, so if he can't have it, no one other than Sora can XD

And Angel, good point, but being able to sense things in ones heart may actually be a trait only usable by those using darkness...

This sits nicely with my "Light Blinds" theory XD I like.

 

[Mikazuki]

That actually makes sense, seeing how he also confronted Roxas about it. I think it was trauma from him daring Sora about the Keyblade and losing, so if he can't have it, no one other than Sora can XD



This sits nicely with my "Light Blinds" theory XD I like.

ZOMG we agreed!

*Ducks for cover*

The sky's gonna start falling and all kinds of spit. >.<

And that's the point I was getting at. Just Riku not wanting to believe that someone else could have the Keyblade, instead of him actually believe that the Keyblade may be fake, but if Xion does wield Aqua's Keyblade, then it might be a combination of those two reasonings..

 

[Smile]

The sky's gonna start falling and all kinds of spit. >.<

...was this about Kairi and I missed it? If so I'd go back to disagreeing...

And that's the point I was getting at. Just Riku not wanting to believe that someone else could have the Keyblade, instead of him actually believe that the Keyblade may be fake, but if Xion does wield Aqua's Keyblade, then it might be a combination of those two reasonings..

That's IF her Keyblade was fake to begin with. After all, as said before, he ran into a chainless-Keyblade before, so he might not be looking at things properly.
...heck, he's not. He has the blindfold *ducks for cover*

 

[Audo]

...heck, he's not. He has the blindfold *ducks for cover*

I lol'd.

 

[Mikazuki]

...was this about Kairi and I missed it? If so I'd go back to disagreeing...



That's IF her Keyblade was fake to begin with. After all, as said before, he ran into a chainless-Keyblade before, so he might not be looking at things properly.
...heck, he's not. He has the blindfold *ducks for cover*

Hmm...Well, a question that gets brought up with that is was Riku really concious while his body was taken over by Xehanort's Heartless? After the fight, yes, we know he was concious enough to hold Xehanort's Heartless at bay for a moment, but during his fight with Sora, we can't be so sure. He might not remember forming that Keyblade or anything.

And also, since that Keyblade was constructed from six of the hearts of the Seven Princesses of Heart, does that mean that all "training Keyblades," if they so exist, need to be created in such a way? From hearts? Or something similar? Like...Not just the standard metal? Jebus, can't people just grab a katana and start wacking the tar out of each other? Gotta complicate it with keychainless Keyblades...Wediculous.