Final Fantasy XIII-2 - "Toriyama Waifu Chronicles"

[wii.red24]

Glad you enjoyed it. XIII-2 really is a great game and its fan reception only shows how confused the "fan base" really is.

I won't say much because then i'd be getting off topic but i think that 13 and 13-2 both get an unfair amount of hate and in actuality they're both great games the story is great, the music is great, the ATB system is sleek, and fast paced it's just sad that some people will listen to opinions on the internet and will never pick up 13,13-2 rather than giving the games a chance they've already decided that the games are bad and that they will never play them.Then there's the older FF fans that don't want to see FF change at all so of course they're going to hate it, I don't know man SE can't please everybody

 

[Zettaflare]

I won't say much because then i'd be getting off topic but i think that 13 and 13-2 both get an unfair amount of hate and in actuality they're both great games the story is great, the music is great, the ATB system is sleek, and fast paced it's just sad that some people will listen to opinions on the internet and will never pick up 13,13-2 rather than giving the games a chance they've already decided that the games are bad and that they will never play them.Then there's the older FF fans that don't want to see FF change at all so of course they're going to hate it, I don't know man SE can't please everybody

im glad you liked ff13 and the sequel, and agree that fans shouldn't dislike the games simply due to change. its perfectly understandable at least for me why fans dislike ff13 and the sequel, however I think people who have an interest to play them should do so and decide for themselves, without letting both parties decide for them

 

[wii.red24]

Thanks for understanding my point swooshbarnes also one of the things that i loved about 13-2 was its soundtrack this song gets me every time [video=youtube;E6bkfhLbw4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E6bkfhLbw4Y[/video]

 

[Koji]

Might this be the one you're looking for?

[video=youtube;NX94tfBsgcU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX94tfBsgcU[/video]

I haven't played XIII-2 in about a year now though, so my memory might be a bit off.

Yes. Thank you, you're the man.

 

[Shamdeo]

Ultimate Hits/Digital Content Selection announced:
Final Fantasy Network

 

[Magnus]

And it won't even contain all of the DLC. What's up with that? I kind of hope they release a "complete" version here in the west later on with everything already included on the disc.

 

[Shamdeo]

Digital download version confirmed, up tomorrow!
Final Fantasy Network

 

[Nova]

I'm going to replay this later on when I get my new PS3 for the trophies

 

[Datomix]

I got a question, and it's spoiler heavy.

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Is Yuel a walking paradox? Similar to Alyssa? I recall that Caius said that changing the timeline triggers Yuel's visions, thus ending her life. And this is how it's been since the beginning of mankind. But, the initial paradox didn't occur until the end of XIII. Before that moment, how could the past and present Yuel die from visions if there were no paradoxes to alter history? Did she even have cycles of rebirth before the initial paradox? I mean, I just don't see how she can predict the timeline being altered if the chaos OUTSIDE of the timeline hadn't even invaded yet. If that is indeed the case, then why didn't Caius just help to restore the timeline instead of destroying it?


Edit: Oh, a second, question, unrelated to the timeline. Yuel is a seeress, but apparently she has other powers, and it's never really expanded on. What do you guys think about that?

"Best of the Bestiary
The monster Ugallu once descended upon ancient Paddra. Many a l'Cie and mighty warrior faced the beast, but none were able to subjugate it. Only the seeress Paddra Nsu-Yeul of the Farseers knew the true extent of the menace it posed.
Ugallu was a monster from the seeress's future. Its very existence in her time was a contradiction, an impossibility. If it was not destroyed, the tear in spacetime would grow until it consumed the entire nation. So the seeress made the fateful decision to break her own vows and seal the beast within the Void Beyond."

 

[Antilurker77]

Because if you change the future, you change the past. Or something like that.

 

[Decrith]

I got a question, and it's spoiler heavy.

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Is Yuel a walking paradox? Similar to Alyssa? I recall that Caius said that changing the timeline triggers Yuel's visions, thus ending her life. And this is how it's been since the beginning of mankind. But, the initial paradox didn't occur until the end of XIII. Before that moment, how could the past and present Yuel die from visions if there were no paradoxes to alter history? Did she even have cycles of rebirth before the initial paradox? I mean, I just don't see how she can predict the timeline being altered if the chaos OUTSIDE of the timeline hadn't even invaded yet. If that is indeed the case, then why didn't Caius just help to restore the timeline instead of destroying it?


Edit: Oh, a second, question, unrelated to the timeline. Yuel is a seeress, but apparently she has other powers, and it's never really expanded on. What do you guys think about that?

"Best of the Bestiary
The monster Ugallu once descended upon ancient Paddra. Many a l'Cie and mighty warrior faced the beast, but none were able to subjugate it. Only the seeress Paddra Nsu-Yeul of the Farseers knew the true extent of the menace it posed.
Ugallu was a monster from the seeress's future. Its very existence in her time was a contradiction, an impossibility. If it was not destroyed, the tear in spacetime would grow until it consumed the entire nation. So the seeress made the fateful decision to break her own vows and seal the beast within the Void Beyond."

She sees the timeline periodicly, it doesn't have to do anything with paradoxes, it just so happens that when a paradox happens, she's forced to see it too, so she ends up having more visions that she'd normally would resulting in an earlier death.

 

[Shadow_]

I don't know why but I cried during her deaths in FF13-2 I think it's just sad that she dies when she gets to many visions or when Serah and Noel change the future.

 

[Zen]

Because if you change the future, you change the past. Or something like that.

I can't stress enough how dumb this is. Oh well, at least the gameplay is fun... sorta.

So I started playing this like a few weeks ago, and I've been playing it a lot less recently. I feel like the gameplay lost its novelty after the first few hours (or more-or-less after the first game), and there's hardly anything redeeming about the rest. I'll probably persevere just so that I can finally be strong enough to beat Naabat.

 

[ajmrowland]

Oddly, I don't see it as *that* dumb.

It's like if the timeline and course of history were a string. Not string theory exactly, as that's multiple universes, but a string. You move one part and everything around it will move too, if not the entire thread.

Yeah, it's not very thoughtful. Actually, yeah it's kinda dumb.

 

[Zephyr]

I can't stress enough how dumb this is. Oh well, at least the gameplay is fun... sorta.

So I started playing this like a few weeks ago, and I've been playing it a lot less recently. I feel like the gameplay lost its novelty after the first few hours (or more-or-less after the first game), and there's hardly anything redeeming about the rest. I'll probably persevere just so that I can finally be strong enough to beat Naabat.

Yeul meant that change is inflicted upon one or the other by contradictions. Therefore changing the future changes the past so that the past may change to accommodate the future to prevent the creation of a contradiction in the timeline.

Despite that Caius tells Serah/Noel they are contradictions, Caius contradicts himself that he is a contradiction too aside from the alternate future he wishes to fulfill.

 

[Zen]

Yeul meant that change is inflicted upon one or the other by contradictions. Therefore changing the future changes the past so that the past may change to accommodate the future to prevent the creation of a contradiction in the timeline.

This just tells me how poorly worded that sentence was because it doesn't get that idea across at all.

But I do have to say that this seems to imply that the paradoxes were naturally made instead of an external cause. How much did the paradox affect the past to the point where the getting rid of in the future has to change the past? All this means that the past itself was already changed to let the existence of the contradictions to begin with. Which we all already know because of Lightning.

While the sentence makes some sense, the imperative notion here is ridiculous. I'm only halfway through, but so far none of this interests me at all. Bad enough that I'm stuck with Serah and Noel the whole time.

 

[Zephyr]

Yeah lol Yeul should have been a little more descriptive but I think Caius explains it a little better in the other scenes. But ehh I do have to agree that time traveling is a little too convoluting for any series to do and it's not my most favorite route for a series to approach.

 

[ajmrowland]

Yeah lol Yeul should have been a little more descriptive but I think Caius explains it a little better in the other scenes. But ehh I do have to agree that time traveling is a little too convoluting for any series to do and it's not my most favorite route for a series to approach.

Agreed. Time travel storylines are just begging for plot holes and intense examination of internal logic.

 

[Zen]

I didn't want to say too much since I'm not done yet, but I kinda doubted they would explain it more. Especially since at face value it sounds a lot like a backwards butterfly effect.

Thanks for clearing that up, though. I mean, it makes it sound much better at least, heh.

Yeah, time travel stories tend to have that problem when the main focus of the story is the time travel itself. There's only a few like Virtue's Last Reward, or Steins;Gate that I like. I wouldn't have minded if the idea was a bit simpler like in the first Back to the Future movie. It's not that much about time travel as much as it's just part of the conflict.

 

[ajmrowland]

Yeah, I dont know those animes, but even Back to the Future has it's logic problems.