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I'm a bit confused as to what you mean. Are you saying Yoshida addressed race issues for publicity?To be honest, I think this is a calculated move from Square-Enix. Everyone wants to talk about it and they do not have to pay for promotion.
I mean... it's fine if you don't care. But representing POC has been an issue for the Final Fantasy franchise. Notice how you cannot recall any other black characters besides Barrett, Sazh, and Fran? People care about that stuff and it makes sense for them to want it in here. I also don't think "it was a white dominated country!!" is a good idea considering how it's a fantasy game with dragons and summons. House of the Dragon is a high-fantasy show that implemented black characters, and not only did it make sense with the lore, but it also helped distinguish a bloodline of people who look very similar to eachother.I don’t care about representation in a video game and this shouldn’t be the main factor to judge about the quality of game that is taking place in a white dominated area.
I do not know enough about Japan society, so pardon my question which might sound a bit provocative, but when you say this is a serious issue: do Japanese people think this is an issue or do we assume it is because they are not doing it enough?Colorism is a serious issue in East Asian countries, especially Japan, and that unfortunately also projects onto anime and video game designs. White skin is seen as beautiful and youthful, while dark skin is seen as poor and dirty.
IN Japan? I don't know. But I know for sure that white skin is very much valued there and darker skin is not considered desirable. I may be exaggerating when I say it's a serious issue, but possibly only for me because I consider colorism to be an issue. To my limited knowledge and judging Yoshida's comments, they don't seem to think too much on it.I do not know enough about Japan society, so pardon my question which might sound a bit provocative, but when you say this is a serious issue: do Japanese people think this is an issue or do we assume it is because they are not doing it enough?
To be honest, my opinion on this topic is mixed. I see the reasons why you think this way of crafting media is outdated, but I do not believe that it is a good idea to view Japanese society with the lens of western values.IN Japan? I don't know. But I know for sure that white skin is very much valued there and darker skin is not considered desirable. I may be exaggerating when I say it's a serious issue, but possibly only for me because I consider colorism to be an issue. To my limited knowledge and judging Yoshida's comments, they don't seem to think too much on it.
Edit: I should also mention that darker-skinned people, especially black people, are considered less attractive in many East Asian countries and even scary. And I believe it's so deeply ingrained into their culture at this point.
Except the amount of black people in Japan is irrelevant to my point, unless you want to count the prejudice they face when it comes to their skin color, which there is a lot. There is a shitton of antiblackness in the world and that unfortunately includes many East Asian beauty standards. It's not pushing any issue, it's a fact that dark skin is seen as poor and dirty, meanwhile white skin is heavily valued as a beauty standard. It's literally the same here in the US. We have a lot of black people, but beauty standards in the US are very eurocentric and we value lighter skin a lot, too. It's simply antiblackness and colorism that exists in almost EVERY culture, ever. Let me use your logic for a second. I'm Jamaican. Would I accuse someone claiming that Jamaica is a homophobic af country of "viewing it through western lens"? No, I'd agree with them because Jamaica is homophobic as hell. It is what it is.To be honest, my opinion on this topic is mixed. I see the reasons why you think this way of crafting media is outdated, but I do not believe that it is a good idea to view Japanese society with the lens of western values.
For example, Japan has 0.02% of black people. That's 25'000 for a country of 125'000'000 inhabitants. It seems logical that they are less present in Japanese media than in the US, due to their numerical inferiority. I wouldn't blame you if you were to write a story where none of your characters are from the minority region of my country. It's the Romansh in Switzerland. You didn't know? That's exactly my point! 😆
Each culture has its own big social issues that comes from its history. And they vary a lot. Eastern cultures also have their own social fights to have, but we should not try to push our issues on them.
Also, I feel that with the recent selling of western studios, Square-Enix is moving to more traditional japanese storytelling, because that's what makes sense for them on the business side. That's why I am very curious about how well Forspoken will perform as this game has heavy western roots in it (the dialogues and the openworld design mostly). I feel that with this game, Square-Enix is testing the western audience reaction.
You will probably don't agree with a lot of the things I just said 😅, so feel free to contradict me if you have a different opinion. I am always happy to hear different viewpoints.
Hell, in FF14 there is an entire country full of brown/black people and it's based on heavily Middle Eastern PoC culture. Wanna know who the prominent character from that country was? A light-skinned woman with blonde hair and blue eyes.
EXACTLY! Like Raubahn was seriously right there. He already had so much story, but they focused so much on Lyse instead of the actual dark-skinned Ala Mhigan man.Not just prominent character; the leader and moral compass of said people—whereas the actual POC former rebel hero/leader is presented as irrational, disproportionately violent, and consumed by rage. I enjoyed Stormblood, but this shit drove me up the wall. It really undercut the expansion’s otherwise reasonably impactful anti-imperialist tone. It was a patronizing and nonsensical narrative decision. Like at that point it exceeds just being an issue of representation, it seriously detracts from the meaning and delivery of the story it’s trying to tell. I’m stoked as hell for FFXVI, but I really hope, at the very least, it avoids this kind of tone-deaf crap.
Here I clearly agree with you. He should have simply refused to talk about it.And this brings me back to an earlier point: I wouldn't have given a shit if Yoshida just had glossed over the race issue overall and refused to address it. But he *did* and it's a bad explanation, so it's fair to criticize it.
Unfortunately I haven't played FFXIV to judge. But from what you are explaining, it would have bothered me as well.Wanna know who the prominent character from that country was? A light-skinned woman with blonde hair and blue eyes.
If they somehow get Rebirth in the 2023 part of "winter" then hooooo boy.