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This isn't a FF game. So there doesn't HAVE to be MORE Final Fantasy. This is Kingdom Hearts, a game based on Original characters and Disney. So no more FF is necessary, or even wanted.

That's called an opinion. Many of the Kingdom Hearts fanbase are die hard Final Fantasy fans, not die hard Disney fans. Kingdom Hearts is a healthy mix between Final Fantasy and Disney, not original characters and Disney. It's kinda sad that they threw Final Fantasy into the game but seems to forget that at times. We need an even mix between them. I want to see how the Final Fantasy characters mix well in the Disney world.
 

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That's biased. Not MANY fans are die hard FF fans. Alot of KH fans do NOT even WANT FF in the mix, saying it doesn't add to the game and is just fan pleasing. And that's basically what it is. Leave the FF appearances to what they are, no more is needed.
 

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Ummm, what? The biggest appeal of Kingdom Hearts is the mix of Final Fantasy and Disney. That's what Kingdom Hearts is. The original characters and storylines are very similar to Final Fantasy. Regardless if the mix of Final Fantasy characters weren't in there. The point about the game is that we got two different worlds and combined them. There's no way in hell the game would like right if these cool and developed characters are running around with goofy, unexperienced, completely under-developed characters. The Final Fantasy is WHAT evens it. And btw, you can't call me out on being bias and do the exact thing in the same sentence.

Although, you half-way proved my point that we do need to give a little more focus on the other half of Kingdom Hearts, which is Final Fantasy. If you feel they don't add to the game, then it's obvious they need a bigger part.
 

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FF doesn't even anything. I'm not biased. I'm not a Disney fan, and I'm not that big of a FF fan. So I'm open to whatever. But to say this game needs more FF is just so ill-conceived. FF isn't necessary, most don't even care if FF is in it or not.

Only the fanboys do.
 

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Honestly, I'm not a fanboy of anything. I played a couple of Final Fantasy games but they aren't on my top list. Neither am I a hardcore Disney fan(although, majority of the movies used are my classics that I grew up on), but regardless, it's unfair to call this a Final Fantasy-Disney mix and have all the Final Fantasy characters sit in the background with silly one-liners. Although, I have to give them credit that they slightly expanded the FF stories in KH II(Cloud's story). Although, it was so thin you'd hardly care for it, much less, realize when it's over.

And looking at it, Disney characters aren't needed either. All Sora does is go into movies that can be resolved without him and majority of us know how it ends. The main appeal of Kingdom Hearts is that it mixes with Final Fantasy and Disney. But it's roots will always be Final Fantasy. To be honest, the only storyline a lot of people care about is the Sora storyline. I would take a Final Fantasy sub-plot over a repetetive Disney plot.

What you're saying can EASILY go both ways.
 

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so...squishing this down all your saying is that disney and final fantasy are worthless and the best thing is the original content?! Well i never!
 

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so...squishing this down all your saying is that disney and final fantasy are worthless and the best thing is the original content?! Well i never!

You're on the right track. I'm saying that it can easily go both ways. The story could go without Disney and Final Fantasy(which then, it would just be another Final Fantasy game) but I prefer it with Disney and Final Fantasy. I just think that Disney is just as worthless as Final Fantasy is. Either way, I prefer more coverage on Final Fantasy characters than anything else.
 

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I, personally, prefer Disney content to FF. But this IS a collaboration with Disney nonetheless. So it's GOING to be there. FF characters are so obviously thrown in to please the fans, NOT balance out the worlds or crap like that.

So it can't go both ways, because without Disney, there would be no Kingdom Hearts. They do own the Original Characters now. FF doesn't make Kingdom Hearts, there's a difference. Kingdom Hearts could exist just as well without FF input. But the fans want it, so it's there.
 

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So you mean to tell me that you can pretty much picture the much more matured characters and stories along with the Disney characters? I can't see it being there without Final Fantasy to back it up. And Disney can be fan pleasers just as much as Final Fantasy is. Plus, Square-Enix owns the original characters. Disney hardly does anything to the game except sign over rights and promote. If you want to know what Kingdom Hearts would really be like if Disney had anything to do with it, here this out.

Disney planned on making a KH anime. That's been rumours for years and people still await the day when it's released. Little do they know it was shelved when Disney went too far in productions. They couldn't hardly put themselves in position to create a show too "mature" for their fans so during production, they turned the entire show into a comedy and even went as far as turning Sora into a girl. After realizing that it was much too far out of place and ruined the entire concept of the show, they cancelled production early on.

Now that's what happens when Disney owns the characters and they take out Final Fantasy. Like I said before, Final Fantasy is the characters, including the original. Final Fantasy evens it out. And I swear what I said was true. I got it mouth from mouth of the director of American Dragon.
 

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gatsu from berserk would be an ungodly optional boss for this, but he's froma manga, so that dream is dead.

anyways, either zexion, roxas, or a new person, we've narrowed the likely ones down to those three. i wouldn't mind fighting a harder version of axel though, he died so easily when we fought him with roxas.
 

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You're very much mistaken, Disney OWNS Sora, Riku, Kairi and ANY original characters that come from Kingdom Hearts. You're back on your information. That idea never happened, that anime was RUMORED, NEVER confirmed by ANY source.

Kingdom Hearts IS made to HAVE Disney, that's the FOCAL point of the series. FF is to please fans. And if it wasn't there it would work just as well. FF serves nothing towards KH.
 

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if kh was owned totally by disney wouldent there be those queer formation arts figures out and shirts of it in disney stores?
 

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It is co-owned. But Disney OWNS the Original Characters that come from the series. That's been stated by Nomura himself. Disney honors his work by allowing him say over the characters, but they could throw them anywhere, it's their RIGHT. It was part of the contract since KH1.

Nomura can't use the original characters unless Disney approves it.
 

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You're very much mistaken, Disney OWNS Sora, Riku, Kairi and ANY original characters that come from Kingdom Hearts. You're back on your information. That idea never happened, that anime was RUMORED, NEVER confirmed by ANY source.

Kingdom Hearts IS made to HAVE Disney, that's the FOCAL point of the series. FF is to please fans. And if it wasn't there it would work just as well. FF serves nothing towards KH.


You are obviously mistaken and wrong. Swuare-Enix owns the original characters. They own them 100%. Disney owns part of the Kingdom Hearts franchise and the worlds that we visit in the games. Although, Square-Enix might as well own the games as well, considering that they sign their rights over to them.

And the Kingdom Hearts RUMOUR was in fact true. You don't have to believe, which I wouldn't expect you too, considering, you think you're always right. There was a lot of evidence in the early pre-production that it was heavily planned and worked on and I promise you that what I speak of is true. I said it over and over but I never knew if I could release my sources. Asking him a long time ago, he said that I could.
 

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I actually like those. lol. But that is true. Search EBay even. (about Keychains)

But you are an ignorant kid. Disney OWNS the Original Characters %100. You are WRONG, and more importantly, I'm right. The rumor was false, you don't even have any evidence to support this.

The show was never being done, it wasn't ever true. You'll believe anything obviously. Grow up. You're wrong. Nomura said it, it's known, there was never a show. And Disney OWNS all Original Characters.

You are so full of crap. It's just pathetic.
 
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