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Not to be rude, but what do you think the EU is? Even on a lower level a lot of countries in Europe are federations. Like Switzerland (non-EU) and Germany (EU) both have "states" (Canton in Switzerland and Bundesland in Germany), that have their own governments to a lesser degree.
Well, I did add the question mark because I wasn't sure. Either way, it really doesn't matter what way the world turns for Europe when talking about politics in America, for better or worse. *shrug*

Also from what I heard part of the reason the latino community in the Florida region rejected the democrats is because the Republicans actively tried to paint the Democrats as evil Socialists in the vain of the places they might have come from, which if they came from countries where socialism went wrong obviously would make them reject it. But the socialism Bernie seems to be going for is less USSR or Cuba and more Sweden or Norway aka social democracies.
Yep, and it obviously worked. Which tells you how an election with one of them at the helm would turn out if just the mere mention of them hurt a centrist candidate.
 

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I want to be able to feel a bit of relief now that Trump is gone, but I'm worried about the nutjobs he mobilized and the fact that his presidency caused a bit of a ripple across the globe with more and more right-wing populists getting into power.

Mark my words, a sexier, smarter, younger fascist will run in 2024.
 

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Mark my words, a sexier, smarter, younger fascist will run in 2024.

This is why I’m worried about Hawley. He’s equal parts handsome* (*mileage may vary), educated, and young.
 

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This is why I’m worried about Hawley. He’s equal parts handsome* (*mileage may vary), educated, and young.
I kinda hope the whole "helping to incite the riot" thing becomes as much of a thorn in their sides (Hawley, Cruz, etc) as the email scandal was for Hillary Clinton.
 

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I means it’s scary how easy it all could’ve gone south had Drump been more clever and surrounded by competent people.

I don't know if I'm the only one who believes this, but if Donald Trump's response to COVID-19 wasn't as awful as it was, he may have had the possibility of running a second term.
 

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I don't know if I'm the only one who believes this, but if Donald Trump's response to COVID-19 wasn't as awful as it was, he may have had the possibility of running a second term.
Yeah that's probably the scariest part, that had COVID-19 not come around we might have had another 4 years of that guy. Though I think even so he'd have lost the popular vote by a large sum and Georgia would have been close. The work done in that state, was already in motion.
 

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That's what I think as well. The democrats would've mobilized harder than normal to get him out even without Covid, but the Trump response was such a shitshow that it wouldn't surprise me it was the last straw for a lot of people on the fence/anti-Trump republicans. Being an asshole to large parts of your population is 1 thing. Killing your people because you can't be bothered to advise even the most basic safety precautions and actively do your best to demonize them is a whole other level of inept.
 

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I've been wondering for a while what the political affiliation of the deceased are. Not that the virus cares what you are either way, but Trump was sending his people out to die by being mask and vaccine deniers. It seems like such a stupid idea in the long term because you're just hurting yourselves in the long run??

Like, "Take THIS! I'm a free man, therefore, I have the FREEDOM to kill myself which will in turn hurt my "team"! Because FREEDOM!"

Edit: An even more accurate comparison! Literally what Trump did with mail in ballots. "Mail in ballots are fraud!" Cue hardly any republicans voting by mail. "GASP! How come all the mail in ballots are for Joe Biden???"
 

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Yeah and his downplaying of the disease, seems to have given some the impression it's just a hoax from the "libs" and they'll end up dying in a hospital denying the very disease that's killing them. It's rather tragic really.

They're fixation on freedom is also weird. Like their freedom to go mask free, kind of interferes with another's ability to freely go shopping without fear of getting the virus.

Also the ballot thing kind of feels planned, if Trump weren't such an idiot, I'd be sure of it. Like there's no better way to make it seem like suspicious than have the majority of ballots be for Biden and counted later. It creates a weird effect and makes Trump look like he's winning at first glance.
I'm pretty sure if mail in ballots remain an option for all Americans, the Republicans will continue to question their legitimacy and point to the fact that most of them are for democrats.
 

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That's what I think as well. The democrats would've mobilized harder than normal to get him out even without Covid, but the Trump response was such a shitshow that it wouldn't surprise me it was the last straw for a lot of people on the fence/anti-Trump republicans. Being an asshole to large parts of your population is 1 thing. Killing your people because you can't be bothered to advise even the most basic safety precautions and actively do your best to demonize them is a whole other level of inept.

If unnamed sources were to be believed, Kushner deliberately advised Trump to not mobilize because Democrat strongholds like NY and CA were being hit the hardest first. Killing off blue voters and making blue governors look bad was apparently the strategy. That backfired.

Still, it's tragic that Trump didn't respond hard and fast at the start of the pandemic. Sure, he would have probably won 4 years because leading America through a global crisis makes for good PR, but at least we wouldn't need to bury an amount of people more or less equal to American WWII casualties.
 

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You got it right--he deliberately let it play out when it was affecting blue states that would never vote for him. When it hit Florida and Texas, on the other hand, suddenly he started to "try" (if you can even call that, more like lie, obstruct the availability of tests, and hide the numbers to pretend nothing was happening). If he had simply reacted the way any normal human being would have, I agree that he probably would've sailed to re-election...
 

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Mark my words, a sexier, smarter, younger fascist will run in 2024.
I was gonna suggest that there isn't a sexier, smarter, younger Trump, but...

This is why I’m worried about Hawley. He’s equal parts handsome* (*mileage may vary), educated, and young.
Then there's him.

Then again, we have to think how he'll perform in the eventful GOP Primaries, seeing as how I think it's gonna be as contested as the Dem's in the 2016 cycle:
β€’ Rick Scott (Senator, FL) - Governor before DiSanting
β€’ Ron DiSantis (Governor, FL) - Some call him Mini Trump (he is)
β€’ Nikki Haley (former US Ambassador to the UN)
β€’ Marco Rubio
β€’ Hawley

The problem here is that the Trump vote is gonna be divided, seeing as how pretty much everyone except Marco were behind Trump all in.

I kinda hope the whole "helping to incite the riot" thing becomes as much of a thorn in their sides (Hawley, Cruz, etc) as the email scandal was for Hillary Clinton.
If they get the FBI directly involved, which they should, then it can happen.

I don't know if I'm the only one who believes this, but if Donald Trump's response to COVID-19 wasn't as awful as it was, he may have had the possibility of running a second term.
He definitely would have won if he had handled the pandemic better.

I've been wondering for a while what the political affiliation of the deceased are. Not that the virus cares what you are either way, but Trump was sending his people out to die by being mask and vaccine deniers. It seems like such a stupid idea in the long term because you're just hurting yourselves in the long run??

Like, "Take THIS! I'm a free man, therefore, I have the FREEDOM to kill myself which will in turn hurt my "team"! Because FREEDOM!"

Edit: An even more accurate comparison! Literally what Trump did with mail in ballots. "Mail in ballots are fraud!" Cue hardly any republicans voting by mail. "GASP! How come all the mail in ballots are for Joe Biden???"
There are some operational and marketing errors that cost Trump the Election. Someone made a projection in Twitter that, had Trump performed 1% better in some States, the race would have been tied.

Kushner deliberately advised Trump to not mobilize because Democrat strongholds like NY and CA were being hit the hardest first. Killing off blue voters and making blue governors look bad was apparently the strategy. That backfired.
It's ironic. Trump was gonna use the pandemic to downplay on the Blue Governors, but they end up using it against him.
 

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I just can't believe he didn't start a war just to stay president for longer. I kept expecting to hear it after the Captial riot and before the Inauguration. Thank God he didn't.
 

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I just can't believe he didn't start a war just to stay president for longer. I kept expecting to hear it after the Captial riot and before the Inauguration. Thank God he didn't.

He was trying to start one with Iran earlier this month lol

The whole Iran thing was also his plan in 2020 so he could lock in his second term then COVID hit and ruined that xD
 

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It's ironic. Trump was gonna use the pandemic to downplay on the Blue Governors, but they end up using it against him.

You got it right--he deliberately let it play out when it was affecting blue states that would never vote for him. When it hit Florida and Texas, on the other hand, suddenly he started to "try" (if you can even call that, more like lie, obstruct the availability of tests, and hide the numbers to pretend nothing was happening). If he had simply reacted the way any normal human being would have, I agree that he probably would've sailed to re-election...

The most disturbing part was how he sent his own voters into the meat grinder. An electoral college map says nothing, but California has 11 of its 53 House seats be Republican and NY had 7 of its 26 House seats be Republican. He sent his own voters into the meat grinder because they were of no value to him personally.
 

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Only Donald Trumo could make me greatful for this awful disease. The best thing it did was save us from him it seems
 

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Also, America needs to get a small thing out of the way when talking about the American Left. They are not marxists. They are not communists. No, they are neoliberals.

Marxists outright reject liberalism. Bernie Sanders is at best a social democrat in every sense of the word except he leans a bit more on the conservative end. Western Europe, Scandinavia, and the Four Asian Tigers are social democracies. Even the Socialist Party in France is more or less a coalition of mostly social democrats.

So the concept of a functional healthcare system, working schools, workers rights, and sensible laws against lobbying are not socialist by nature. That's giving that hateful and genocidal ideology and the murderers and sadists that support it too much credit.
 

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So the concept of a functional healthcare system, working schools,
When you think about it, a Government providing a proper and good service shouldn't be Left or Right. It should be flat-out good use of taxpayer money.

workers rights,
I'm a Libertarian and Capitalist, but I think that Libertarians need to understand that not always' Adam Smith's Invisible Hand theory is gonna work (the Market regulates itself). Hell, Smith even said that Government's only role should be to break-up monopolies (which in itself admits that Government must have some semblance of functionality in a society).

But I digressed a lot. You can't expect all employers to be good apple. Some might be rotten, so someone has to step in.
 
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