- Dec 30, 2005
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Again, you are speaking in hypotheticals, which isn't the same as actual criticism. Again, I ask... so what? So what they created Xion. It just seems you just have a problem with character rather her actual use in the story and just focusing on nitpicks that don't really matter because Xenmas not being able to find her for month has nothing to do with anything. He has members of The Orgainzation actively searching for her, including Axel. That's not a problem with the story and DiZ has no reason to go after Roxas right now since Sora is still recovering his memories. Adding Roxas into the mix way too early, espeically with delicate of a process fixing his chain of memories was, and especially considering Roxas isn't even a fully formed person, would have messed everything up. I mean, that's the same argument you can use for KH2, so that's not even problem with 358/2 Days itself. So on that, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Also, if Noruma really wanted to do the things you said he was going to do in interviews... THEN HE SHOULD'VE JUST DID IT. Instead he went a different route that he felt was better. So again, that's not the fault of the story, Noruma decided to change the story. Thats not criticism, that's you wanting the story to be something that isn't anymore.
The thread itself is hypothetical.
I have a problem with her character, but having a problem with a character doesn't have anything to do with the character's necessity. Xion's superfluous; everything would have played out how it was due to the result existing before her existence. If Xion was there or was not there nothing would change. So that makes her dispensable.
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Organization? Is Axel the sole member of the Organization now? Axel, who is known to be friends with Xion and Roxas, therefore is compromised due to attachment (that everyone knows about). I didn't see the members going around looking for Xion. Or how pawns were given the freedom they had at all when there was a chance they could have gone rogue because of anything. That definitely is an issue with the story. Diz would have been planning and plotting, finding ways to get Roxas, because Sora still recovering his memories is due to him running around existing and not being returned to his original. The less Roxas is a fully formed person, the better too. Less individuality, less reason to fight to live. KHII has Diz at least already take action by grabbing him via Riku and putting him in a data version of Twilight Town. And this is why I placed this in the subjective part. You don't have to agree, so yes, agree to disagree.
Again, you can make the same argument with ANY character in this story or any character in any story. It's not that hard to do, which is why its easy-pickings criticism that has no weight unless you seriously want nitpick every single plot in this story that really doesn't matter in the end, like Axel not noticing or knowing his keyblades. Okay, and? What about Riku asking Roxas why he has a keyblade WHEN HE SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THAT. I never said these stories are flawless but these super nick picks that you can makes with ALL of these stories. Its almost as if KH as a story is pretty flawed, even the good ones.
Not exactly, and not really. There are characters that influence the series in more than one game, especially to the overarching plot. My perception of the question asked by OP relies on what would occur if that character was taken out from their place in the story. If that character would have to be replaced with another character with similar powers in the narrative, or an object to achieve similar things in the narrative, then that character has more place than others within the universe. Roxas' "motivation" to leave and/or return is abstract and personal. It has nothing to do with the plot but the character itself. That motivation has multiple options that doesn't need an object or another character added to pull up the result it did.
To put it another way, let's say one person picks Roxas for this thread. So Roxas doesn't exist. Since Xion's relevancy is tied to him, she automatically doesn't exist with him because there's no other purpose for her. But Roxas can exist without her if he exists, while Xion can't exist without him period.
Now a person can disagree or not like that Xion was chosen by others, but that decision to pick that character has anvil sized amount of reason behind it that is valid.
Also, I feel you skimmed over my argument as to why Xion was necessary because Sora's memories are not enough of justification for Roxas to act like a idiot and go back to the one place he was specifically told he couldnt come back too, otherwise he would be killed. If Roxas just left The Oragnization and that was it, the plot would not moves forward because Roxas has no resources and no point of origin to look for Sora anyway. It's even explained in 358/2 Days, where the hell was Roxas going to go? He has nowhere to go. That's not something you can easily gloss over. Riku vs Roxas makes no sense in isolation or even in the context of KH2 because, again, he has no reason to go back to The Organization, especially not to find Sora.
I'm pretty sure Roxas was trying to accomplish something, him being an "idiot" by going back is just your personal interpretation, hardly anyone cared in the fandom. As for that something, read above. Roxas and Riku fighting was going to happen, no matter the setting, because Roxas was needed and Riku was working with Diz. Finding out why he came back, whatever that would have been, doesn't change the result.
Also, don't use the argument of me displaying my argument for Xion's existence as if I'm just bitching for the sake of it. He asked me a question, I answered the best way I could. That just feels like deflecting to make me look like an asshole when I'm simply explaining my argument, same as you are.
Nobody is making you look like an asshole?