Is Ven a waste of time?

[hotaruchan]

If ven changed to someone else or removed from the story, will sora ever exist??? O.O
Maybe riku will be the one who hold the main role 8 (
Ven is not a waste of time, he played important role I think 8D

 

[Goldpanner]

What do you mean, his story is nicely cleaned up? His story isn't over yet. Aqua still has her promise to fulfil, and the letter Sora got at the end of KH2 was about Ven. Wait, you haven't seen the secret ending, have you? Or read about the final episode of coded?

And, no, the story of BBS wouldn't work if it were just Terra and Aqua. In that case, Terra wouldn't have been motivated to kill Master Erauqs, for one. Kind of a big development for Terra. I don't think anything other than trying to protect one of his most important friends would have spurred him into doing that.

If it weren't for Ven, Aqua wouldn't have unlocked Castle Oblivion to put him in as he slept, either. Which, importance for CoM and KH2 aside, was pretty important for Aqua's character development. Fulfilling her duties as a Master.

Xion's plot was self-contained and quite irrelevant (so far) because she was retconned into an existing time period that didn't mention her at all. You can't compare her with Ven, whose story seems to be one of the threads leading up to KH3.

 

[Yuuki]

i dont think ven is useless. seeing his story it seems his important. =/

 

[xXRepaXx]

What do you mean, his story is nicely cleaned up? His story isn't over yet. Aqua still has her promise to fulfil, and the letter Sora got at the end of KH2 was about Ven. Wait, you haven't seen the secret ending, have you? Or read about the final episode of coded?

And, no, the story of BBS wouldn't work if it were just Terra and Aqua. In that case, Terra wouldn't have been motivated to kill Master Erauqs, for one. Kind of a big development for Terra. I don't think anything other than trying to protect one of his most important friends would have spurred him into doing that.

If it weren't for Ven, Aqua wouldn't have unlocked Castle Oblivion to put him in as he slept, either. Which, importance for CoM and KH2 aside, was pretty important for Aqua's character development. Fulfilling her duties as a Master.

Xion's plot was self-contained and quite irrelevant (so far) because she was retconned into an existing time period that didn't mention her at all. You can't compare her with Ven, whose story seems to be one of the threads leading up to KH3.

I agree with you fully!! Ven is important and thats that!

 

[SilverJ-17]

Yeah, it wasn't for Ven, Roxas would look exactly like Sora (making him lame, more than likely) and Castle Oblivion wouldn't exist (so no Chain of Memories). Hell, I think it would mess up the whole story. I'm glad they made Roxas not look like Sora and have an explanation as to why he looks that way. I'm also glad that CO exists. Birth By Sleep makes the story as a whole just that much better.

 

[thylings]

Ven is definitely a very important character. He's interesting, connects to the plot, and is twice the boy Sora could ever be.

trufax. mmyep.

 

[kingudamu]

uh, yeah- correct me if im wrong, but isnt Ven the reason why Sora is able to weild the keyblade in the first place? and why roxas looks like hm but not sora?

id say he's pretty big ^^

and, yeah, sure Xion and Repliku was fanservice, but damn good fanservice. Shows that nomu isnt afrid to go into that risque category (in xion's case, if you know what i mean >D)

 

[Nein88]

It seems Sora was able to weild the Keyblade because it chose him, the reason I said Ven's story cleans up is because his main reason was being half of a blade that could summon KH. That's really his in story purpose. I was talking about the meta reason he existed.
I've seen the Final Episode and ep 8 of coded, I know what happened. Ugh, I'll probably pull a Normura now. What is Ven's actual reason for existence in relation to our meta perception of the plot of BBS?
Hm, on the other hand all video games exist to make money, JRPG's tend to have plots, KH has a really convuluted plot that turned Sora into a Messianic Archtype of a character, and he gets to save TAV in reconnect. So maybe Ven has a purpose, or Nomura is making nonsensical shit and ruining KH.
So what do you want me as the starter of this thread to say? Does Ven really have to exist or not?

 

[fantasy08]

In regards to interest level yes it was a waste of time. I found his story meh and reallly predictable. Relevancy wise though he wasn't I guess. Nomura made this convoluted train go so he might as well run with it. He had to explain why Roxas( and by proxy Namine) doesn't look exactly like Sora( or Kairi), and why he kept hinting at him actually having a heart instead of leeching of his Other Sora's. Ven provided both, obvious, answers. Not to mention the deus ex machina that is the X-blade and Vanitas. He also is the reason Castle Obvion was made which was necessary for Com. Hmm in a way Ven is kinda more like an object than a person. Things seem to happen to and around him because he's a walking deus ex machina then for what he has actually done as a character. He's a macguffin basically.

I wanted Ven to be a truly original character, but nomura and his ways wouldn't let that happen. He's just another clone of Sora with Vanitas being quite a literal one, and you know KH isn't KH without at least one clone of the messiah per game lol.

 

[UnrelentingLight]

I know this has been said before but Ven actually does play a role in the series. His heart returned to Sora and his body was placed within the CoW. In Days and KH2FM+ Xemnas was looking for the CoW for some reason. This is definite evidence that Ven has some importance. Also in the secret ending of BBS we have Sora talking about how he is going to return everything that's connected to him or something along those lines. This could also be a Ven reference since he has Ven's heart.

 

[Nein88]

I think I'm inclined to agree with the fact that Ventus in story is a plot device. I know KH is supposed to tell an original story, while still showing Disney worlds to explore and FF cameos. However can anyone describe his personality?
Ven+Vanitas=X-Blade, X=Chi Chi= Eastern concept of life energy, or the first syllable of the Greek/Roman pronunciation of Christ, the Annointed One. Sora is now an allegory for Jesus, so much for applicability. Now Sora has to go save TAV, other characters are unlikely to be mentioned.
I guess in the end how much you care about the series as the whole might color your perceptions, as this is a prequel much is going to be predictable, and the interest of the plot is how the characters end up where they are. Maybe I should make a new thread, what can Nomura do to reign in his plot, if something drags on too long interest fades. Three linear games, an interquel, prequel, and a sequel, then a third sequel, it's like Pirates of the Carribean all over again, or the FFVII compilation depending on your opinion.
Meta: Since most fiction has a plot what is required to make the plot work? The cosmology of this series is mostly set in stone. But of course main protagonist/heroes are the exception. They're supposed to be unique, it's why they're the main characters. But all the plots just seem to be stop this particular villian. If MX could pull off another grand scheme then pherhaps it would be worth the interest. It's a shame an alliance of villains vs. an alliance of heroes would be interesting. All of the plot is based on interest after all, either catering to your desires or the author's idiosyncratic desires.

Another somwhat asiniine thought; if Sora is a copy of Mickey Mouse who is an Author Avatar of Walt Disney and a copy Oswald the Lucky Rabbit? Would this make Sora equal to Walt Disney? In that case is Roxas Oswald the Lucky Rabbit? Think about it, both are forgotten, presumably resent the attention the other one's getting, you can see where I'm going with this can't you? If anyone feels like closing the thread, you're welcome to, I didn't expect it to last this long anyway.

 

[Raz]

. However can anyone describe his personality?

Naive, energetic, happy-go-lucky, etc..

TAV all fit certain personality molds. Aqua is caring and wise, Terra is the brooding hero.

 

[Ventus Air-Man]

If Ven didn't look like Roxas there wouldn't be nearly as much attention paid to him now. Since his story like Xion and Riku Replica are rather self contained and clean up nicely, is there any real point of him and by extension Vanitas existing? They just make the X-Blade and are rather self-explanatory. Sure there wouldn't be a trio parallel to SKR but the story would still work, just split among two scenarios, which could carry the plot by themselves.
Yes he's canon and has his place in the plot, but beyond it does he matter? Your opinions?

Ven didn't have to be in the story. Just like Xion didn't have to be in Days. But, I still think that the story wouldn't have been as good if Ven wasn't in it.

 

[Azrael]

If Ven didn't look like Roxas there wouldn't be nearly as much attention paid to him now. Since his story like Xion and Riku Replica are rather self contained and clean up nicely, is there any real point of him and by extension Vanitas existing? They just make the X-Blade and are rather self-explanatory. Sure there wouldn't be a trio parallel to SKR but the story would still work, just split among two scenarios, which could carry the plot by themselves.
Yes he's canon and has his place in the plot, but beyond it does he matter? Your opinions?

Both Ven and Aqua were useless and the fact that they're near carbon copies are to push a plot that could've been explained in a better fashion.

I prefer a Vanitas scenario than Ven. Repliku should had been a one time deal.

 

[Reverie]

Ven was not a waste of time. I'm not just saying that because he's lovable and looks like Roxas, but because his story would have to be one of the most important in the KH series.

 

[Nein88]

Azrael would you care to elaborate on what would be a better explanation? Reverie think up a better explanation. Has anyone read my posts? None of you seem to be responding to his meta point?
Meta-taking a step back and looking at the way we look at stories.
No one has answered what Nomura or any other director intended for Ven beyond this game and in the plot. What was Ven's purpose according to Nomura?

 

[Raz]

Both Ven and Aqua were useless and the fact that they're near carbon copies are to push a plot that could've been explained in a better fashion.

How are Aqua and Ventus carbon copies of each other? They have completely different personalities.

 

[ffdgh]

...is ven supposed to ve the xion of bbs now? ...u people are never satisfied -_-

lol and yes he is important

 

[Eternal_Sleep]

i have to agree and disagree. half of you are saying he's just a plot device. guess what? every character who isn't sora is to some extent a plot device.

mickey mouse the occasional deus ex machina. kairi sora's original macguffin in the first KH, riku is the initial macguffin of KH2. namine fucked with memories which caused sora to restart so when kh2 started he wouldn't be at level 100. roxas was in the story for the first three hours of KH2 and his only purpose was to cause sora slight character development (slight being the key word) when every now and then he would have an emotional reaction to feelings which weren't his own(which seems to be happening with ven as well) then we have MX who is the primary antagonist who has been related to every main villain in the series. ven +vanitas equals the Xblade which im certain will return since xemnas was looking for ven and im sure its not just because he was his "friend"

do i need to continue?

yes he is a plot device but plot devices progress the plot. if these characters weren't in the game there would be no game and if you try to add or subtract characters you wind up with a completely different product than the one we got. i believe thats called fanfiction... anywho don't like kairi xion or ven? get over it, judging by the secret ending none of those characters are going anywhere.

P.S. for the xion haters when asked if xion was going to appear again in the series he only said something along the lines of judging by her ending it would be rather difficult for her to appear again. the way i see it is that when sora goes on his rescue mission(TAV aren't the only ones hes trying to save) its not going to be easy to save her. that doesn't mean its not going to happen.

 

[Nein88]

someone delete this post please.