Keyblade difference

[caleb&sora]

I’ve been wondering, why is it that Sora’s keyblade and Mickey’s keyblade look alike, but Riku’s looks totally different?

 

[.Oji]

Well, Sora's keyblade and Mickey's keyblade are similar in appearance because they are essentially two sides of the same coin - Sora's keyblade being the light realm keyblade whilst Mickey's is the dark realm keyblade. Basically the same, but inverted.

Riku's keyblade is different from Sora's, which explains the difference in appearance (albeit they are both from the light realm).

 

[Dark - Roxas]

Sora's keyblade represents the realm of light, while Mickey's keyblade represents the realm of darkness. Both realms oppose each other and thus the keyblades colours oppose each other. However Riku's keyblade represents the twilight realm which if you look closely you can see it's design makes up both light and dark features

 

[Lancelot]

Obtained through different means, is the simplest way to put it... And also Sora and Mickey's Keyblades actually belong to a certain realm, where as Riku's was created from himself and the SoulEater sword

 

[.Oji]

However Riku's keyblade represents the twilight realm which if you look closely you can see it's design makes up both light and dark features

No.

Keyblades have 2 different constitutions, either from the Light side or the Dark side. This is merely the exterior key, the inner key can act from either side and its abilities won't change.

'Twilight' does not constitute for a keyblade. Also.

Riku's "Way to the Dawn" and Kairi's keyblade are naturally the same type of keyblade as Sora's. However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater's transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku's handing it to Kairi.

And what type of keyblade is Sora's keyblade? Yes, a light side keyblade/keyblade from the realm of light, therefore so is Riku's keyblade.

lol I said keyblade six times

 

[i2ains]

Just something I'd like to throw out there but...

If Sora and Mickey use the same keyblade from opposite realms, doesn't that mean there's only 2 keyblades that we actually know of?

Like,

Sora's key + mickey's key = Kingdom key, light or dark.
Riku's key = WtD light.

Which, in turn, could there possibly be a WtD dark?

Just a thought that was spurred up from this thread.

 

[.Oji]

If Sora and Mickey use the same keyblade from opposite realms, doesn't that mean there's only 2 keyblades that we actually know of?

Like,

Sora's key + mickey's key = Kingdom key, light or dark.
Riku's key = WtD light.

Sora's key -- Light side, heart of worlds Kingdom Key.
Mickey's key -- Dark side, heart of worlds Kingdom Key.

Both are basically the same, yet distinct enough to differentiate, thus granting them separate existence. In other words, you can say that we know of three keyblades thus far (not counting BBS keys, or Heart Unlocker).

Which, in turn, could there possibly be a WtD dark?

There isn't necessarily one keyblade for the dark side and one for the light side, just as many as there exist people with qualified hearts.

>:3

 

[Sweet Genocide]

Nicely put Oji.

 

[i2ains]

k, i see whatcha mean, thanks for clearing that up oji.

 

[XionXIVRikuXV]

but wait. .Oji said that there is a keyblade for each qualifying heart. but, isnt that syaing that because K. Mickey has a dark side keyblade, he has a dark heart?

oh, and btw, i think WtD was made from Souleater, bcuz if u look, the main part of the blade looks like the blade on Souleater. and then, the angel wing part could be from Riku's changing heart from dark to light(???)srry if that didnt make sense. just wat i thought...

 

[Smile]

but wait. .Oji said that there is a keyblade for each qualifying heart. but, isnt that syaing that because K. Mickey has a dark side keyblade, he has a dark heart?

The Keyblade cares not for the Darkness or Light in one's Heart, as long as the person is strong enough not to succumb to either (as Riku did in KH1; the Keyblade went away not because of his Darkness, but because he was weak against said Darkness).

oh, and btw, i think WtD was made from Souleater, bcuz if u look, the main part of the blade looks like the blade on Souleater. and then, the angel wing part could be from Riku's changing heart from dark to light(???)srry if that didnt make sense. just wat i thought...

Nomura confirmed the WtD "evolved" from the SE XD;

 

[Finrear]

Just something I'd like to throw out there but...

If Sora and Mickey use the same keyblade from opposite realms, doesn't that mean there's only 2 keyblades that we actually know of?

Like,

Sora's key + mickey's key = Kingdom key, light or dark.
Riku's key = WtD light.

Which, in turn, could there possibly be a WtD dark?

Just a thought that was spurred up from this thread.

or mabye there is a Way to Dusk

 

[Byronic Hero]

or mabye there is a Way to Dusk

Dusk? No, it just Way to Dawn.

 

[Anti-Light2b]

The dynamics of the various keyblades are subtly and explicitly stated but I still find there are loop holes that Nomura has not covered up since the beginning of Kingdom Hearts.

Firstly,
In kingdom hearts 1, Sora was the main weilder of the keyblade, while Riku had souleater, and then when Sora doubted himself he lost the keyblade to Riku understandable. The issue I have is with the addition of the keyblade to unlock hearts. I am pretty caught up on major theories and new information but the concept of that keyblade still confuses me. The idea of it existing doesn't bother me, but the person who produced it in order to wield and why was it different than the other keyblades that were to be summoned in the future.

Secondly,
This may answer my first suspicion but I still to evaluate this. When kairi obtained a keyblade it is usually assumed it was merely a keyblade produced by Riku and then given to kairi. This has not been explained and I'm calling shenanigans. If somehow this is allowed in the KH universe then this would explain the Keyblade of unlocking hearts, because Xehanort's heartless could have gave it to Riku, which would make Riku technically being a heartless while possessed capable of producing a heartless keyblade. These are all ideas not explictly explained.

Finally,
I either believe a lot these issues or loopholes that were accidentally not corrected or I am oblivious.

p.s.
The reason this is relevant is because if figured out would give a better grasp on how keyblades really work.
or
it could just end up like DBZ.

 

[Smile]

The dynamics of the various keyblades are subtly and explicitly stated but I still find there are loop holes that Nomura has not covered up since the beginning of Kingdom Hearts.

Maybe because Keyblades as a topic weren't addressed until now and possibly not even now? They're not holes until the series ended and Nomura still left them open. Until that happened, they're Mysteries.

In kingdom hearts 1, Sora was the main weilder of the keyblade, while Riku had souleater, and then when Sora doubted himself he lost the keyblade to Riku understandable.

Because Riku was the Original Master for the Keyblade, lawl.

The issue I have is with the addition of the keyblade to unlock hearts. I am pretty caught up on major theories and new information but the concept of that keyblade still confuses me. The idea of it existing doesn't bother me, but the person who produced it in order to wield and why was it different than the other keyblades that were to be summoned in the future.

The Heart Unlocker was explained. It was created by XH when he took over Riku's Body, made from the Hearts of the 6 captive PoHs. The unique ability was due to the fact the 7th PoH's Heart - Kairi's Heart - was locked inside Sora's Body. They needed a way to get it out and restore balance.

When kairi obtained a keyblade it is usually assumed it was merely a keyblade produced by Riku and then given to kairi. This has not been explained and I'm calling shenanigans. If somehow this is allowed in the KH universe then this would explain the Keyblade of unlocking hearts, because Xehanort's heartless could have gave it to Riku, which would make Riku technically being a heartless while possessed capable of producing a heartless keyblade. These are all ideas not explictly explained.

Uh... wot? Riku's Heart never became a Heartless. It was in fact kicked out of his Body when XH settled in (leaving a Heart in the Body and thus no Nobody).
Also, handing people Keyblades was never said to be forbidden. Roxas did it with Riku, Riku did it with Sora, and now Riku did it with Kairi. Even if you say you need to have some basic ability to hold the Keyblade without running off (and thus neither Leon nor Jack Sparrow could hold the KK), then you have Kairi being a PoH with ties to the Keyblade making up for it.

However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater’s transfer and occurence, as well as Riku’s handing it to Kairi.

Soul Eater = transformed into the WtD.
Riku handing Kairi the SE = Riku hading her the WtD while still wielding the WtD = Riku Duel Wielding.

I either believe a lot these issues or loopholes that were accidentally not corrected or I am oblivious.

Oblivious.

it could just end up like DBZ.

I'd have negad you for this had I been in a worse mood.

 

[Vossler]

yeah I thought Rikus sword was transformed in to his keyblade because of the goodness in his heart sure it may have a heartless keychain but I always thought the Revant Wing on there was like a symbol of light to show that he had goodness thats my theory.

 

[Smile]

yeah I thought Rikus sword was transformed in to his keyblade because of the goodness in his heart

Good or evil have nothing to do with this.

sure it may have a heartless keychain

Actually, it's not the Heartless emblem.

WtD -

Heartless emblem -

Notice the X thorns over the Heart part of the symbol is missing.

but I always thought the Revant Wing on there was like a symbol of light to show that he had goodness thats my theory.

Symbol of Riku also accepting his Light as was Namine's advice to him in CoM, yes, but again - Darkness doesn't have to be evil. Henceforth, the Light also doesn't have to be good. Two different balances.

 

[Vossler]

Good or evil have nothing to do with this.



Actually, it's not the Heartless emblem.

WtD -

Heartless emblem -

Notice the X thorns over the Heart part of the symbol is missing.



Symbol of Riku also accepting his Light as was Namine's advice to him in CoM, yes, but again - Darkness doesn't have to be evil. Henceforth, the Light also doesn't have to be good. Two different balances.

oh I didnt notice the thorns good point you win I lose you were right i was wrong oh yeah then whats the point of the heartless symbol without the thorns

 

[MasterHearts7762]

And what type of keyblade is Sora's keyblade? Yes, a light side keyblade/keyblade from the realm of light, therefore so is Riku's keyblade.

lol I said keyblade six times

Im confused..>.< so the Soul Eater turned into Way To Dawn?

 

[Smile]

then whats the point of the heartless symbol without the thorns

I think it's mostly the Heartlless part. I think we'll only find out more after BBS, seeing how the Heartless emblem looks so much like TAV's emblem. I'm really leaning towards thinking that symbol has to do with wielding a Keyblade, so it makes even more sense to me Riku'd have it on the WtD now that he finally has it.

Im confused..>.< so the Soul Eater turned into Way To Dawn?

As confirmed by Nomura himself and all but stated by Riku in-game (he called the WtD the Soul Eater in KH2, indicating they were one and the same).