Axеl;5746443 said:
I see your point, but I think Roxas and Ven are connected enough that Vanitas might not be expecting this and just interpret any strangeness as a change or some result of Ven healing enough to walk around again. His personality would give him away very quickly even if his heart didn't, I just think there's enough muddled that Vanitas could be duped for long enough to make the encounter interesting. I mean for a precedent, Sora didn't recognize Roxas for who he was (even during their internal fight, as I remember), and they're twin halves of a similar nature.
And to geist, I've been curious about what Xemnas's real goal was. I mean I know he talked power, and the influence of hatred and yadda ya, but considering the Organization's roots in research and the ten years they spent getting all this together I have to wonder if there wasn't something more concrete he was working toward with Kingdom Hearts that we never saw or heard tell of.
In the end it is all theoretical "what if"-speaking anyways, it would certainly depend on the circumstances and how well Roxas could "act" as Ventus since Vanitas is observant and by no means an idiot in that department (that's Sora's role ;P).
That only shows that Sora is a bit slow sometimes and don't recognizes things always that fast (see also the Mulan-Ping bit etc.). It doesn't mean at all that Sora is dumb, just a little slower. Vanitas certainly doesn't come over like that.
After Riku pointed out to Sora who Roxas is he immediately expressed an desire to meet him in person, still not realizing that the blonde with two keyblades he fought earlier
was that person.
We know that Xemnas had a hidden agenda. As stated in his own secret reports he wanted KH to become a higher being (god-like) and that all his true ambitions would begin there. What these ambitions were was never truly elaborated upon, yet he made some remarks regarding his goals when speaking with Ansem the Wise in KH2.
He used the Chamber of Repose to apparently regain memories from
both beings he originally came from (the memories from the time as Ansem's apprentice he kept apparently), meaning he had parts of the memories of both Master Xehanort and Terra.
On top of this however comes as well of course his obsession with searching for the Chamber of Waking in Castle Oblivion, if he knew what exactly is in that chamber and
why he wanted to find it so badly is also still open to speculation.
In it's entirety though, Xemnas's own agenda remains a bit shady.
I still don't understand how Vanitas can return. Or if he's here for good. What role does he have left to play?
We have to look at things in order:
First, we only saw Vanitas as a sort of "specter" in the Realm of Sleep up to now. As seen with Xemnas and Ansem SoD apparently beings who get destroyed and fade away from the Realm of Light can be encountered in the Realm of Sleep providing something of them still exists. Vanitas got destroyed at the end of BBS by Ven so him being there is somewhat plausible.
That doesn't automatically mean a full return of Vanitas in the Realm of Light as a physical existence though, we'll have to wait and see.
As for his role, are you serious you can't think of that?
Xehanort is
obsessed with the X-blade because it's the most powerful weapon and grants direct access to the true Kingdom Hearts.
Vanitas has the only known pure heart of darkness in existence, he is an important "ingredient" for the X-blade.
Not to mention his potential was wasted in BBS and his character has still room to grow.
Axеl;5746455 said:
The downside to people always coming back (Maleficent) is that it feels like the effort in taking them out in the first place was wasted, or if it was someone beloved (Xion) then the emotion over their demise is invalidated. Kind of like how everyone completely lost it over Goofy and then he was totally fine. But it definitely doesn't seem like death exists in KH.
So I'm assuming Vanitas is just gonna get his troll on. Hard to say what goal he has in mind and the trailer right now doesn't make him look like much more than a glorified ghost, but as far as I've heard DDD is only a test run/dream world/fight in the forest with a fake Vader, so I dunno.
With villains coming back it is often so that one remains in a half-satisfied mood only since their scheme could be thwarted but they themselves not be truly defeated.
As for allies/good characters. That really depends on the attitude of the viewer/reader in question because a sacrifice can be still meaningful even if it is not permanent. Sora himself is the best example since he got restored mere
minutes after his sacrifice and you still have people discussing about the emotional impact on it.
The whole action happening itself already gives it meaning. Like Riku destroying the Destiny Islands in KH1, they got restored at the end of KH1 yet the action itself haunted Riku for way longer than that.
That part with Goofy I didn't take that much seriously to be honest. I always assumed that he was only comatose/unconsious. Still, the impact and the reactions of Mickey, Donald and Sora did act to an emotional scene which I could appreciate
despite knowing Goofy is not gone for good (they won't off one of the central Disney characters).
I thought that the Organization was a threat to Sora and co. because they were gathering hearts, which included taking hearts from others. They were keeping hearts captive for their own use, instead of letting the hearts simply go where they would naturally go upon liberation. That's why you fight them.
That thought is correct. The Organization was capturing hearts en masse, practically enslaving them.
Their further crimes include unleashing hordes of heartless into worlds, creating new ones often, also by manipulating and attacking innocent people and generally screwing up the worlds.
Riku pointed that out correctly and in the end they got what they deserved for causing so much misery.
No deliberately painting Sora suddenly as a bad guy or even racist and glorifying those bastards as Dracos in Leather pants (one might forgive me that one reference to TvTropes) will change that.
Axеl;5746501 said:
Far be it from me to be suspicious of the most high and glorious Superior, but Xemnas did not exactly mourn the loss of, oh I don't know--OVER HALF his men. It was pretty much business as usual no matter who got a Keyblade in the schnozz along the way.
Seeking out a Keyblade? I like. Conjecture, yes, and MX didn't really seem too concerned with his own ability to wield the Keyblade beyond the convenience of it, but yeah considering the people warring in Xemnas's head that entire time it may have been the first step towards invoking a similar outcome.
Xemnas didn't give one damn shit about any of the other members, if his goal was at hand and there would be still members left he might even have killed off the remainders himself.
As shown in KH2 the only emotions he was apparently capable of understanding were hate and rage.
The only thing he seemed to genuinely care for was his own Kingdom Hearts and his hidden agenda, whatever that all meant since him becoming a god-like figure was apparently only the first step going by his statement from Days.
