Spoilers ► KINGDOM HEARTS 3 Re Mind DLC Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Ballad of Caius]

In before the TAV, Twilight Town Gang and Kairi games are mobile spinoffs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[kaseykockroach]

I still would like to give it a shot for myself before confidently passing judgement (I have a PSN gift card and will use it on this if I can't find anything else), but this sounds like something of a disappointing trade-off. Of the mainline games, KH2 is my least favorite and least revisited by a long shot, yet I think its Final Mix offers the largest amount of improvements of all the FM's. I've found KH3 the most fun to revisit, but in turn, none of my few qualms with the game were addressed in this DLC. Structural qualms, anyway. The free update stuff is quite appreciated, but that's a different category.
But my main bone to pick with KH3 was the lack of anything to do once the story was done, an issue carried over from vanilla KH2 (which had a coliseum, but it didn't give EXP so there was absolutely no reason to do it). So I assumed KH3's DLC would offer the same kind of thing KH2's FM would. A cavern/dungeon to explore, extra boss fights (most of the Data battles fought with D&G with you), so on. I thoroughly loved exploring KH3's worlds and was hungry for more and eagerly hoped this DLC was going to satisfy my hunger for more of that. But...really, nothing? Scala Ad Caleum is only explorable on some side mode thing, and it's all by yourself? I didn't mind Scala not being explorable in the main game as I just enjoyed it as a final save point ala Final Rest, so I'm not that bothered in this case.
Really strange. I'm in the party that loves this game and even I think this sounds like a bummer.

 

[Sign]

In before the TAV, Twilight Town Gang and Kairi games are mobile spinoffs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH

I vote to just not give the Twilight Town gang a game at all.

 

[kaseykockroach]

WHERE'S OUR SEIFER SPINOFF, Y'KNOW

 

[2 quid is good]

So I thought I'd put my thoughts on Remind out here, I've got a pretty good handle on it by now so here we go

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I'm glad I didn't purchase this straight away. I knew there would be a small amount of story content, no longer than 3 hours at most, but I didn't expect so much of it to be such a brazen rehash. It's pretty bizarre and unflattering comparisons will be made weeks, months and years down the line.
On the other hand, the Guardians team up fight and Mickey's set piece (which was sorely needed as this character had been progressively decaying as a badass since 2006) are easily my favourite moments in the entire series.

Within the context of Remind itself, the story flows relatively well, however its really weird to see new and old cutscenes side by side as the old ones just look and feel so stilted.

One part (and the only part) of remind I actively disliked was how Lingering Will just broke apart. Sora really had no right to be there let alone fight, they had already made one off playable sections for everyone else, this filler would have been so much more palatable if we had been fighting as Lingering Will, just the sheer emotional impact of that would be far better than what we got. But I digress, I felt like it was a cheap way for such a legendary character to go.

The FF characters immediately brightened up the scene they were in. Yuffie and Cid alone have vastly superior VA and animations than any other character in the whole game bar perhaps Demyx and MoM, maybe Larxene too. Super fun and super refreshing, they themselves make the case for why they should have been in the base version.

It's amazing how well Nomura is able to write a character that's already fully formed rather than ones that are still getting there.

I (obviously) haven't played the data battles and even if I did have the dlc it would be unlikely for me to do so as that's not really my type of thing. However from the snippets I've seen a lot of work was done for them and they seem to surpass KH2, which should always have been the aim for KH3 in all aspects.

If you enjoy boss fights this dlc is your money's worth. If you're playing for literally anything else I'd advise youtube is your better friend this time around.

As to how Remind makes me feel about KH3, it makes it feel fun. Whereas before it was depressing to sit and think about the positives and negatives, now I can do so with a much more lighter feeling than previously.

I'm still not at all excited by the prospect of Isa being good, Subject X, the furrytellers etc, but the secret ending very much did grab my interest and I only hope its not squandered away.
I still personally feel KH3 has one the worst plots in the series, Remind doesn't really fix or exacerbate that, but it also now has my favourite moments in the series too and this level of fanservice was truly warranted after KH3's snoozefest of a finale where the only thing of note to happen was the final world and a KHUX moment. Not to detract from that, as that was a great set piece, but it was surrounded by a lot of mediocre stuff, especially in hindsight. It's amazing how far the correct characters being playable for certain fights will take you.

so tl;dr my thoughts on KH3 base haven't changed but I have a vastly more positive feeling to it now. If that even makes sense.

 

[MrFranklin95]

It was fine. 7/10 I'm still salty that there's still no Coliseum at all.

 

[GreyouTT]

One thing I still get a little lost thinking about it:

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how exactly is Armored Xehanort in the end against Kairi and Sora? Shouldn't he be dead from SDG inside Scala ad Caelum? Is it really him, or only his armor like the replica clones? I don't think I understand the last bit regarding Xehanort

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I think it's just darkness leaking out from the battle inside KH/Scala and taking form.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Thanks to Nomura opening so many cans of worms since DDD there are multiple possible explanations:


It could be yet another replica, a manifestation like Lingering Will, a simple projection, a piece of Xehanort's heart yet again and so on.

What is to note though that this Xehanort has the thirteen created "Keys" that aren't forged into the X-blade yet so it could be also a manifestation from the past.

 

[Any]

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Can someone tell me if Ventus have two Darknesses or not? One is Vanitas and the other is, um, Dark inferno/Darkness??? I’m really confused with Ven’s character and I’m also making a theory about him

 

[Beyond]

You know, I'm starting to see the argument about heteronormativity.

Welcome in the KH saga.


I'm really, really sorry for being the salty gay dude, but this is 2020 for God's sake and I can't stand this thing anymore.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

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It isn't yet clear how exactly things work out and if this "Dark Inferno X" and Vanitas are two different entities or one and the same.
The only "facts" we have so far from dialogue (and the Xehanort Report from BBS) is that Ven's heart gets described as "too pure" multiple times by now and that some dark entity seems to be either hiding inside Ven or is sealed there.
What is Ven's own darkness and what not isn't clear. If all the Darkness inside him is from a different entity that's just hiding/sealed within him it would mean he really hasn't any and is fully pure like the Princesses.

 

[Zettaflare]

Something I liked about the extended Scala areas was

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The dial that showed how Daybreak Town became Scala ad Caelum. Looks like some sort of disaster happened that sunk the old town

 

[TepidShark]

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1. I feel even more that the Master of Masters is going to turn out to be Kingdom Hearts version of the Joker, in terms of causing chaos only for chaos sake.
2. Probably won't happen, but anybody else more interested in the ending where Sora loses becoming canon instead of ending where Sora wins? I think it would be really interesting for the story to have to deal with Sora being crystalized and Yozora having gone through the Inception levels to reach some semblance of the real world (that is assuming I guess that either ending actually happened and not just a dream).

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

Welcome in the KH saga.


I'm really, really sorry for being the salty gay dude, but this is 2020 for God's sake and I can't stand this thing anymore.

Don't worry. We are many. Sokai made me more heterophobic. although I did love their scenes in the new CG ending. It was cute seeing them appear everywhere.

 

[Twilight Lumiair]

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It isn't yet clear how exactly things work out and if this "Dark Inferno X" and Vanitas are two different entities or one and the same.
The only "facts" we have so far from dialogue (and the Xehanort Report from BBS) is that Ven's heart gets described as "too pure" multiple times by now and that some dark entity seems to be either hiding inside Ven or is sealed there.
What is Ven's own darkness and what not isn't clear. If all the Darkness inside him is from a different entity that's just hiding/sealed within him it would mean he really hasn't any and is fully pure like the Princesses.

Before I say anything on the subject, I'm honestly really curious what you personally hope the answer is going to be (and conversely, which one you'd find the most undesirable). You're easily one of the most hardcore Ventus fans I know, so I'm sure you're full thoughts would be particularly interesting.

 

[Soldier]

What I want to know most of all for Remind (and what I don't like about it) is why didn't they have Sora's equipment transfer over when you play as someone else.
Here's an example of what I mean,
When choosing to play as either Sora or Aqua in a fight, you would choose Aqua. She has very little defense (naturally) strong magic, an ether and a potion. Her quick select is set similar to how it was in 2.8, and she's locked into using her default spellweaver formchange. Alright fine, but why can't she have Sora's armor and accessories equipped as well? I've tested it out.

When going into fights as Sora, you're going to wreck shop, play as anyone else, you will, but it won't be easy. they don't get the handy buffs and resistances that Sora's gifted through his many accessories reducing elemental and physical attacks. And because you don't have access to things like MP haste or more than one ether, when your magic runs out and everyone's dead, get ready to run.

 

[Any]

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It isn't yet clear how exactly things work out and if this "Dark Inferno X" and Vanitas are two different entities or one and the same.
The only "facts" we have so far from dialogue (and the Xehanort Report from BBS) is that Ven's heart gets described as "too pure" multiple times by now and that some dark entity seems to be either hiding inside Ven or is sealed there.
What is Ven's own darkness and what not isn't clear. If all the Darkness inside him is from a different entity that's just hiding/sealed within him it would mean he really hasn't any and is fully pure like the Princesses.

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If Ventus was a pure light all this time then he’s the first prince of light omg. Let it be canon, I always dreamt of it. Especially the Snow White parallel with him in 0.2. Sure it’s a retcon but Prince Ventus is what I want.

 

[drew0512]

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First of all I have to say, and I don't mean this in a mean way at all, that the enjoyment of some of the posters would benefit from taking things less seriously and treating this videogame series as what it is - just a bunch of videogames, entertainment.
That being said:

- Re:Mind: just like anyone else, I was annoyed by the old cutscenes and a part of Re:Mind felt like a chore because of this. Playable characters were also hit or miss. I played on critical mode and using Riku and Aqua was a pain, I had to give up and use Sora. Roxas was easier (and fun) to play, still hard (especially when you fight Xemnas) but manageable. Kairi was even more OP than Roxas but her fight was considerably longer and more difficult, I managed to reach the final phase of the fight and I had to switch back to Sora after way too many tries. Everything after that was awesome, though. The quicktime event, Mickey's segment, Sora and Kairi and the final fight. A lot of these scenes instantly became some of my favourite in the series.

- Limit Cut: it was nice to see a canon explanation for data fights and it was nice to see FF characters again (especially the one you see on the left). The data fights are awesome and I struggled even at proud level 99 with Ultima. They all feel very fair and rewarding and they personally put the ones in KH2FM to shame. I love KH2FM's datas but man, Limit Cut has a better arena, 13 awesome remixes and new fights instead of simple powered up versions. Awesome. I really really like the new music and it's nice to have some unofficial themes for some characters (Luxord's remix is particularly awesome). I'm not really a Xion fan (I don't like Days in general) but her fight was the best one, it gave me goosebumps. The music, her voice lines, her attack... Such a majestic fight. In a way less poetic way, her fight felt like Roxas in KH2FM if Roxas decided to do drugs.
Fairy Godmother was also a nice addition, even though hyping DDD 2 is a bit scary because I really dislike DDD.

- Secret episode: pretty cool cutscene. I didn't like KH3's secret ending because Yozora felt like a joke character but... Man this new secret ending reminded me of KH2/2FM's secret ending. I really don't care if this is only salt from nomura because of Versus, but I'm here of it. The fight is also crazy and the music!!! So awesome... Even though I get to listen to it for around 30 seconds each time, before Yozora utterly disintegrate me.
Also, as a Luxord fan (he has always been my favourite Org member) I was pretty happy to see that Re:Mind (the whole package) started and ended with him. My boy is going to get a bigger role and I can't wait!

I wanted to say something about the price. First of all, KH's additional content has always been mainly about gameplay (I guess only few people bought KH2FM just for 30 minutes of new cutscene?) so if you are not really interested in bosses and replayability, this package is not for you just like the other Final Mixes.
It's also pretty shallow to treat the sheer gameplay time as the only factor that decides whether or not something is worth a certain price. This logic leads to some weird and dumb outcomes: The last of us took me maybe 15 hours to finish, while Persona 5 took me 90 hours. This logic would force me to say that either The last of us should have costed 10$ or Persona 5 could have gotten away with a 360$ price tag. Both conclusions are obviuosly dumb.

Personally, it took me around 12 hours to beat re:mind and limit cut (on proud). Now I have to beat them on critical and then beat the secret boss (on proud first, which is harder than it sounds lmao). Then I'll probably take a break from KH as a did a level 1 in both KH1 and KH2 in preparation for re:mind and I'm kinda burnt out. Then I'll finally try the premium menu (which brought back the objectives from 0.2 in a way, but no one talks about it). I like to replay KH games so KH3 having so much replayability is a big plus for me. All things considered, this was worth the money because I was interesting in most of the things it offered. It doesn't have to be the same for everyone, but let's not act as if a) we didn't know what we were getting b) the value we give to things wasn't mostly personal.

 

[redcrown]

I want my money back. Why didn't I just hold out and watch it on YouTube first? Because I thought we would get a playable Radiant Garden and Dark Realm segment at the very least, like the BBS secret episode.

This is the last KH game I'll ever buy before seeing spoilers. I should have learned not to preorder KH games after KH3, but silly me thought Re:Mind might actually function as damage control, not add to it; or at least have enough content to justify being priced as half of what KH3 was.

I paid 30 dollars to watch cutscene rehashes and have nausea inducing forced romance shoved in my face for hours. The disappointment is worse than from KH3, that was nothing compared to this.

 

[2 quid is good]

Interesting to see two almost polar opposite views one after the other.