well we dont how long kh3 going to be all wee know nomura saidkh3 is very overwelling big which is why the aqua stuff was cut out of kh3
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Kingdom Hearts III is Xehanort's grand finale- it wouldn't be doing his character justice if he didn't spend that time crushing your protagonists' hopes for his own gain. That would be like Kefka without even a mention of death and destruction, or Sephiroth without acting like a jealous ex-boyfriend towards Cloud. It's blasphemy.
This is ingenious- I love it.
Seems like a pretty safe bet. Going off that train of thought, Xion would most likely serve as a replacement for any other "vacancies" Xehanort decides to create in the Guardians of Light's roster.
Well we have a surplus of potential wielders right now.
Sora, Riku, Kairi, Roxas, Xion, Lea, Mickey, Aqua, Ven, Terra. For kicks I'm gonna put Eraqus, Ephemer and Skuld to the side for "break in case of emergency"
Sora, Riku, Kairi, Aqua, Mickey, Lea seem to be our current lineup. Terra is out. Ven is now in the middle.
Roxas and Xion need to be saved first, but they seem like ideal replacements.
Vanitas' Keyblade?
I'm not sure why you brought all of that stuff up. I didn't say that stuff was easy. It already happened in order to set up the actions that will take place in KH3.
This is about how easy, simple it is to get Aqua and Ven back. Find Aqua in the RoD, have Aqua access Ven's chamber in CO, wake Ven with the power to awaken sleeping hearts. If we know it is going to happen, it is too simple and boring.
Aqua is currently sitting on the edge of the Realm of Darkness at the Dark Margin, which makes it easier to reach her. Her newfound hope in Sora paired with Yen Sid seeming to task Riku and Kairi to find her makes it seem like she'll be found pretty early on in KH3. Aqua will want to immediately awaken Ven once she sees Sora and realizes Ven's heart is in him.
Waking Ven is too obvious. Xemnas was after the Chamber of Waking and Ven inside of it far too much to have KH3 suddenly drop that. Xehanort wants/needs Ven for his plans. KH3D set up Vanitas' return.
Yes.
Natural part of the game.
Natural part of the game's story progressing.
Merlin and the Good Fairies have a time condensed room prepared, which was how Lea trained to access his Keyblade in the first place.
He doesn't need the Princesses of Heart if he has the 7 Guardians of Light to clash against his 13 Darknesses. He'd certainly be prepared to take them if he needs them considering Xehanort is a man of contingency plans, but kidnapping them once again is something that can be done off screen lol.
Won't take up that much time.
Natural part of the game. Shouldn't take up that much time, either.
Natural parts of the game. Extra content that is intentionally meant to extended the playtime of the game.
Yes, because then it'd just become a natural part of the climax of the game. The point of this idea is that there is no challenge for the heroes to face if they are able to save everybody without Xehanort coming in to mess things up.
There needs to be something to put audiences on the edge of their seats. Right now all of the current conflict is centered to the end-game meeting of the Light and Darkness. Where is the early and mid game conflict? Where are the things that will make the heroes question their ability to actually save everybody and the worlds? Where are the personal stakes that push them all to the edge and renews their motivation?
These are all things that have to be created in KH3.
Skuld, Ephemer, Young Eraqus, Roxas, Xion, etc.
You underestimate Nomura's ability to cram a game with content lol
Aqua as the master of Castle Oblivion/Land of Departure knows how to reach the room since she made it herself.
Yen Sid said this because he believed it was the only way. He was unaware that Sora holds Ven's heart.
All Ven needs is his heart back in his body and he will awaken. Terra will be the hardest to save due to the exact logistics of his heart being unknown.
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I think it'd make for a nice parallel to the scene where Aqua approaches Ven-nitas saying "Ven?" and he surprises her with an attack, saying "I'm not Ventus!". I think the last thing Aqua wants is to relive any of the horrors that happened to her 10 years ago.
There's also taking into account Xemnas's search for the CoW, his efforts may have confirmed that in order to truly access it, he'll need the Master's Defender....or get its wielder to do his work for him..
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Huh, wait what? I was under the impression that Roxas and Xion would be saved after the big fight with Xehanort. Is Yen Sid planning on saving every Keyblade Wielder that was on their side, before the final battle?
Yeah, wich Keyblade would he wield? His own original. But he would be in Ventus his body, so maybe he would wield the broken X-Blade, maybe even the complete X-Blade (well, as complete as you can get it with only 2 hearts)
You did say saving Ven would be too easy that way. I'm just pointing out what they all had to go through to even get to the point of saving the other Keyblade Wielders.
You're either underestimating the RoD, or I'm overestimating it. Come on dude, it's the RoD, the biggest and baddest Heartless live there. I'm don't think it's easy and simple to find Aqua in the RoD.
Dark Margin? You mean the beach? But that's the place with the moon right? And that moon is supposed to be the "Light that shines in the deepest Darkness". So wouldn't that technically be the hardest place to reach her? Because she is in the deepest Darkness and all that.
I agree with that though, of course she wants to wake Ventus up as soon as possible.
But he uses time travel to bring Vanitas back right?
And yes it's a good plot point they shouldn't drop. But I think Aqua can fend of 1 Xehanort by now, maybe 3. She spent a decade in the RoD. I mean, have you seen her new magic, that Blizzaga was off the hook. Like hell Xehanort will beat that. And I highly doubt he will do a all out attack just to get into Ventus his Chamber.
Obviously it's a natural part of the game. But it will take some time to do all that.
I know. But I do want to see a Keyblade Master actually teach Keyblade Bearers how to use a Keyblade. From scratch. I'm really interested in that. Sora and Riku were special cases. TAV, well we didn't see them train alot. Just a sparring match, hitting rings, hitting air, hitting some balls, and not hitting Heartless. It was kinda underwhelming...
... I think it's a pretty important plot point. He has been inside Terra for over a decade, Xehanort knows he is there. They both must have made a plan by now to to take each other out. Wich ironically makes me think of their chess game. It will have alot of impact.
Well that actually depends on how much Ux will reveal about Xehanort his past, so for now I will leave that one be.
Yes, but nevertheless, it will take time to make all that. Meaning less time for actual plot.
I think the early and mid game conflict would be with Maleficent in the RoS and Datascape. And saving the other Keyblade Wielders. Possibly have a conflict with Xehanort while trying to save Terra (would be fun if Yen Sid teleported Terra's LW and let it fight Xehanort).
Yeah... I'm not a fan of time travel. But yeah, RoS makes that a possibility. Wait where did Young Eraqus come from?
So, people actually expect that most Wielders will be saved before the big battle?
Apparently I do. Really dude, wouldn't that just make the game real messy and confusing? I know he had alot of time to make KH3, but still.
I know, it was one of the cooler things she did.
That's true.
His Heart is inside Terranort. What exactly is unknown?
Exactly, so why would he prevent them from gathering 7 Guardians? We currently have 5, with Aqua going to be the 6th. They need a 7th one though. So he will have to let them rescue 1 more Wielder. He can choose between, Ventus, Xion, Roxas, Skuld, Ephemer, Namine (? if Kairi can summon her Keyblade, would she be able to do the same thing? Roxas could.), Eraqus, Terra, Data-Sora (what the heck, you put Young Eraqus in there, why not Data-Sora too), Master Ira, Master Invi, Master Aced, Master Gula and Master Ava (if Ephemer and Skuld can be eligable as back up, why not these 5 too?). It would be in his best interest if they could only save 1. More then that would just be
unnecessary.
Not sure how it works, but Xion, Roxas, Namine and Data-Sora would all be saved through the Datascape right? So then Xehanort would automatically get 4 wielders, instead of 1.
Skuld, Ephemer and the 5 Foretellers would all be saved through the RoS. He would get 7 new Wielders then instead of 1.
He needs Terra for himself, so he is not eligible anymore.
So then all that's left is Ventus. If Aqua can awaken him, he only gets 1 Keyblade Wielder (they call TAV Masters, but was that just a translation error like they called Sora Keyblade Master, or did they officialy become Masters?) making it perfect for his plan. This is all speculation, but it doesn't give him much merit if he prevents Ventus from being awakend. Sure he can try to go for Vanitas, but he can use Time Travel for that.
So yeah, he will probably just mess up the rest. Not Ventus though.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the way the Master of Masters says "do you really think the world can be saved by just seven people" sounded like Prince Wu from The Legend of Korra?
Why would they wait until the end of the game to save Roxas and Xion? That makes no sense.
Sora is planning on saving everybody who is in pain before Xehanort tries to end the world, more like it.
His own Keyblade because an incomplete X-Blade serves no purpose to anybody. It's broken and unstable.
But again, that stuff happened already. We are at the point where the set up and results are easy. We don't even have to think about it. That is what is wrong with it.
The Dark Margin rests on the edge of the Realm of Light. For example Riku and Sora sat on the edge of one side of the Realm of Darkness at the edge of RoL and were able to call a Door to Light to lead them home.
Aqua sits on the opposite end of it of the Realm of Darkness, which is still at the opposite border of the Realm of Darkness and Light.
If Sora and Riku, after reading Kairi's letter, could make a Door to Light, Aqua after hearing Sora is doing his best to save the worlds should also have some sort of super magical heart-powered phenomenon. Kairi and Riku have a connection to Aqua in their own way and Mickey is her friend. Finding her is not a difficult task with her essentially sitting on the edge of the Light.
Not all of the SoDs will be brought back by time travel. The foreshadowing of Vanitas in KH3D was specifically related to Sora's heart housing Ven's (like a "prison") which is where Vanitas resides.
Did you miss when old man Xehanort, really close to his own death, could summon massive whirlwinds of Keyblades while using massive blasts of blizzard, fire, and thunder and darkness without breaking a sweat? Imagine him at his prime.
He doesn't need to do an all out attack. He only needs one of his SoDs to trail after them when they go to the Chamber of Waking.
Well that is what a 30-40 hour story is meant to do, right? Have stuff fill the time?
Well Riku and Mickey certainly won't be training them because they are tasked to find other Keyblade wielders. Sora, Donald, Goofy will be off looking (fruitlessly) for the Key to Return Hearts (which probably isn't a key or thing at all but a power). Yen Sid seems pretty much retired for the most part since he left Lea's Keyblade summoning training to Merlin and the Fairies.
I didn't say it wasn't important. I only said it won't take up much time for it to be resolved.
Why would it mean less time for plot? They have staff who are tasked to focus on mini-games and extra content. Mini-games and side worlds aren't usually counted in the total run-time and are almost always lower on the priority list when developing features in the game.
Pretty certain UX is going to focus on Maleficent's antics...
Young Eraqus is just an example. Anything can happen in KH3.
Uh, yeah. Why wouldn't they? If not before, during the battle would be then. It certain wouldn't be after. KH3 is about going out with a bang, which means having everybody important involved in the climax.
Messy and confusing is Nomura's specialty.
Yeah, so finding the room isn't a difficult task for her. It was only hard for everybody else because they weren't the master of the castle.
Terranort would have been who returned once Ansem: SoD and Xemnas reformed into their original self. Instead Master Xehanort was brought back. This has led to the question of "Where is Terra?"
Nomura has implied in multiple interviews that the state of Terra is specifically meant to be a mystery. Here is an example of one:
Mysteries of Kingdom Hearts - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider
KH3D also pushes this mystery a bit by making Ansem: SoD and the Guardian's behavior toward Riku during their battle less antagonistic.
Taking Ven's body to give Vanitas a body wouldn't be preventing them from gathering the 7 Guardians. This is a fated event. 7 Guardians will make themselves apparent at the appointed time no matter what. Doesn't matter who it is.
What will he mess up? What will raise the stakes? The one thing Nomura hates is being obvious. There is just no way saving Ven will be straightforward and simple.
You sent it the week of TGS. We haven't even had time to read it yet lol
Not really a convincing argument as Ventus and Terra certainly have as much if not more bones to pick with since they're suffering far longer than those two.
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Furthermore, in the case of Ventus it would not only be a boring repeat of what happened already in BBS it would also reduce him to just a bystander incapable of actually acting.
So far his story has been nothing but a trauma-line with several comas, two times having his heart nearly destroyed and always being pushed around to suffer, so would doing just more of the same by having him again incapacitated and his body stolen really bring anything new or in any form help his character?
i know they have more bones to pick then roxas and xion but who said they be bought back easily and vantias hasnt taken over ventus body already plus having aqua face ventuas and terranort in the final battle to save them for good plus if ven and terra on the dark side you would need people to replace and xion and roxas would be good relacment and be unepxcted
Well that trailer was truly something. The graphics look astounding. I'm bummed that they've moved the release date back, especially since I had booked holiday time over Christmas. Going to have to change dates now so I can at least get some quality KH playing time. Let's hope nothing else changes!
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Because... uhh... yeah... you got me there. I dunno, most movies from my childhood that involved saving people was always after defeating the big boss. I'm kinda basing it off that.
But hey, every Keyblade Wielder banding together to stop Xehanort, that's gonna be great. I'm all in!
True, yet he choose to fight Aqua and Ventus with it instead of his own Keyblade. It makes sense I guess, but it would be cool if he could summon a incomplete X-Blade, just for cosmetic purposes.
O, you mean it in that way. I guess you could consider it easy then.
So... the RoL is a circle surrounded by Darkness? Wut?
So why couldn't she summon a Door to the Light? But okay, we can consider her found
O, so that's why they put that scene in there. Now it makes sense.
I didn't. But I kinda assume that that was his most powerfull version. It's old man Xehanort that has the highest seat in the new Organization. And you could say that he wants to save that version as a hidden ace, but when Mickey and Riku came to rescue Sora and Mickey used Stopza, he used his Young Xehanort version. And he failed to secure Sora. Wouldn't it make more sense if he used his most powerfull (or more powerfull) version if he really wanted to have Sora as a vessel.
I know, but then it would be 1 vs Aqua and Riku/Sora, possibly Mickey or Donald and Goofy. Maybe even all 6 of them. I'm assuming he wants Ventus his body, what else would he need the Chamber of Waking for.
But would all this stuff fit in a 30-40 hour story? Wouldn't it be too much? KH2 it's main story alone was around 32 hours. And that didn't nearly have all this stuff we are discussing now.
I know. But I still wanna see Lea and Kairi train. It would be so interesting. Maybe they could even put some jokes in there about how impractical a Keyblade irl would be. Like how they both will get annoyed with the Keychain while they swing around that Keyblade.
Why wouldn't it take up much time? It can get pretty long. Finding a body for Eraqus, him and Terra making up. Strategizing against Xehanort. Reclaiming his Keyblade and restoring the LoD. And before all that they first have to find Terra his Heart. I even think Eraqus will have an important role in freeing Terra's Heart from Xehanorts control.
Yes, that's only logical, but they could use that staff to work on the main plot. Allowing them to put more main story in KH3.
That's true, but I don't think they will defeat her in Ux. If anything, I think Ux will prepare everything for her grand scheme in KH3.
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True... but how would that even work? RoS won't work because it's not a Sleeping World. I don't think Eraqus is to keen on using Xehanorts methode either though.
Hey wait a second. The Chamber of Waking and the Chamber of Repose are connected. So could she connect the OC's Chamber of Waking to Xenmas his Chamber of Repose to retrieve her armor and Keyblade?
Ahhh right of course! How have I never seen this? Now it all makes sense!
Yeah, I'm still trying to catch up to most interviews.
Hmm... I never took that theory seriously. But now...
That... actually kinda ruins the whole thing. I've never been a fan of the whole "It's destiny, you don't have a choice' kind of stuff. So, this means we can't rule out a Deus Ex Machina where thunder strikes, a portal opens and Young Eraqus and Young Yen Sid step out to fight?
I dunno man, how about messing up the other Wielders they are trying to save. Xion, Roxas, Terra, Eraqus. Hell, maybe even the "Daybreak Trio" (man, the Chi and Ux section really need to step up their naming game) and Foretellers.
Maybe even try to destroy the Datascape or the data that Ansem left inside Sora. That would raise the stakes.
Rip, oh well, take your time. I'm not in a hurry or anything.
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this isnt your childhold movie though this kingdom hearts
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Yeah. I'm just not used to people saving other people before the big fight. That's why I never actually considered that option :/
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The trailer was truly amazing. I am so excited for 0.2 and Back Cover. I'm really excited to see what other world fragments Aqua may visit. It's clear we'll see Dwarf Woodlands and Castle of Dreams, I'm hoping for Enchanted Dominion. I'm REALLY pumped to see the Magic Mirror/Aqua scene in its entirety. 0.2 seems like a really character-driven story for Aqua. Cannot wait for this game to come out!
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did anyone else notice the voice actor for luxu sounds exactly the same as the voice actor for young eraqus?
Which Luxu?
Because when it was MoM and Luxu, it sounded more like Lea than Young Eraqus to me.
I mean to say that Luxu from when MoM was still around, sounds like Lea but the one from before the Keyblade War with the Unicornis Master (forgot his name) sounds very different.
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Okay im convinced now, I was wrong.
Okay im convinced now, I was wrong.
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