Lea Retaining Axel's Memories?

[Oracle Spockanort]

And Lea didn't change as much either, so I guess it also can't be the experiments, eh?

Plus, if it were the experiments, that would make Lea and Isa as the first Nobodies to have been, not the very last ones as their ranking suggests...


Or maybe that's the point. Perhaps they didn't lose their hearts in a year.

They were experiments. Why would you rank them higher? If you created them, you make yourself above them. The rank is in order of joining, not so much creation because they had to hunt the other members down. We don't really know how long they had been around as Nobodies. Except for Roxas.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Since when were Isa and Lea the very last ones being nobodies?
Their ranking actually suggests they were the first ones to join after the six original members...

 

[HeartSeams]

The rank is in order of joining, not creation.

Right, and people join in the order they were created.

Since when were Isa and Lea the very last ones being nobodies?
Their ranking actually suggests they were the first ones to join after the six original members...

I meant of the Radiant Garden Nobodies.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

Sure he did, because he set it up in Days and he had to make Axel more important while also addressing certain things like why Axel would kill Zexion. It's all connected. Plus, I think it was obvious that he would want to show some people's original selves in BBS, especially Axel what with the Roxas implications.

If Zexion found out their plans, then that is a good reason for killing him. But why not deepen things? They were in RG and they were just as likely to be taken in those experiments.

...Hardly. If someone willingly enters into experiments only to find the experiments consist of being tortured to death I doubt they would suddenly kick into Stockholm. And if they did kick into Stockholm, all the more reason why Axel and Saix wouldn't want to destroy the Org, so, now this example is working against you...

Not really. They could have been horrified by the experiment. And they could have ran away, left to plan and scheme.

You think Xehanort performed the experiments on the other scientists? Because I certainly don't. I think they went around killing Kairi's Grandmother and other people, but not each other.

How else did they turn into Nobodies without conducting the experiment on themselves?

 

[HeartSeams]

If Zexion found out their plans, then that is a good reason for killing him. But why not deepen things? They were in RG and they were just as likely to be taken in those experiments.

And they were just as likely to not be taken....
I'm not saying it's impossible for that to be the case, I just don't see anything in the games that make it obvious or imply it enough for us to start considering it factual.

Not really. They could have been horrified by the experiment. And they could have ran away, left to plan and scheme.

Except we've -seen- their lab and they're all jail-cell like pods.
It's not something they can just escape from.

How else did they turn into Nobodies without conducting the experiment on themselves?

They walked through the Door to RG's heart. This was already confirmed.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

As I oversee it this is another "could be-could not be" case as we have enough information to consider it possible yet not enough to confirm it.

Did one of us really stated it as a fact already?
I for myself always considered it as a highly probable possibility as it would make sense, but not as a given out fact.

 

[HeartSeams]

It kind of felt like some people were, which is why I brought it up in the first place that it still isn't.

 

[Laz]

I think he could be, yes. It depends on what they decide to do with him. I don't think he, by himself, would be overly important, but, I could see him playing a role in the importance. Like, if he were to become ally to Sora, I could see importance in that.

I don't know, it's like TAV. Do they have an importance after Xehanort dies? Not a particular blunt "in your face" importance, but, I could see them being involved in important things after that. Same thing holds for Lea, really. I don't think the character itself has an extreme importance, but, I think he could lend a hand in future importances.

It all depends on what they do with him.

Well, you make a damn good point....but with Nomura you never know. Idk, I guess We'll just have to wait....reeeeeeally wait like a LOT, for the release of KH III.

 

[Ikkin]

And they were just as likely to not be taken....
I'm not saying it's impossible for that to be the case, I just don't see anything in the games that make it obvious or imply it enough for us to start considering it factual.

I think the fact that the last we see of Lea and Isa is them attempting to break into the castle is a pretty strong hint, honestly. =/

And it's just the most consistent explanation, honestly. It explains why they're VII and VIII, why Saix had been influenced by Xehanort, why Saix's personality had changed*, why they both were plotting to overthrow Xemnas from such an early time, why Axel seemed to enjoy killing Vexen and Zexion so much, why Axel wanted Sora to kill the rest of the Organization, and probably even more things I'm forgetting.

* And, yes, Saix's personality and physical features changed, while Axel's didn't. But, this is not inconsistent with the idea that they were both taken in for experimentation -- the Apprentices are scientists, after all, and could very easily have made Lea part of the control group (who were later fed to the original Heartless), which would have left less drastic changes in him than whatever Isa was put through.

 

[HeartSeams]

I think the fact that the last we see of Lea and Isa is them attempting to break into the castle is a pretty strong hint, honestly. =/

I don't see how that's a hint at all... Just because they were trying to break into the castle as idiotic teens doesn't say anything about whether or not they were experimented on a year later when life turned to shit for them.

 

[Relix]

I don't see how that's a hint at all... Just because they were trying to break into the castle as idiotic teens doesn't say anything about whether or not they were experimented on a year later when life turned to shit for them.

I guess he's trying to say that them poking around like idiots in a place where Xehanort and the other apprentices reside open a possibility of them being among the experimented seeing how the apprentices would "know" of them. I mean they poke their noses in a castle full of the originals and when the Organization comes around, they are right behind them. I'm not saying that it's true or that I agree but It's not far fetched to see why he'd think this.

 

[HeartSeams]

I still don't see how like a Z Plot of the game is considered a huge telling hint of something that happens a year+ after it. Why can't we just consider that plotline as a "just for fun, oh look how childish they used to be" kind of plot? That's what I got from it. I didn't see a super dark hidden "THIS IS TORTURE WAITING TO HAPPEN" vibe at all.

 

[Relix]

I still don't see how like a Z Plot of the game is considered a huge telling hint of something that happens a year+ after it. Why can't we just consider that plotline as a "just for fun, oh look how childish they used to be" kind of plot? That's what I got from it. I didn't see a super dark hidden "THIS IS TORTURE WAITING TO HAPPEN" vibe at all.

I'm not saying it is but others can interpret it as such.

 

[HeartSeams]

Well of course people can interpret it that way. I could interpret that whole thing as a giant metaphor for coming out of the closet or some shit like that. Doesn't make it anymore factual.

 

[Relix]

Well of course people can interpret it that way. I could interpret that whole thing as a giant metaphor for coming out of the closet or some shit like that. Doesn't make it anymore factual.

Of course not. It was a hilarious scene, to be honest. but it does waste your breath to try to convince others to overlook their interpretations when they are bent on not seeing it that way. You didn't see a super dark hidden hint, they did. You'll say this, they'll say that. You're right, they're right. etc etc. a vicious cycle of opinions. which on these forums take up at least 2 pages. But thats the point...I forget my point for that matter.

Basically I don't think that Lea and Isa were among the experimented, not by that little scene anyway, but I do find it curious as to how Saix got connected to Xehanort.

 

[Zarin I Yehudahi]

rule of fanservice and yaoi says he does.

 

[Chaosmax]

It would make since I mean why not? But I don't think he'll be all that important in KH3 anyway, probably only a party member or holding off heartless, Isa, etc. for them.

 

[MandoKeyMaster]

As previously mentioned, we just have to wait until 3D is released