I dont think it would necessarily gray after ten tho...he was pretty young in BBS. Theres just a really confusing transition from Somebody to Nobody that Nomura has left us in the dark about.
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I dont think it would necessarily gray after ten tho...he was pretty young in BBS. Theres just a really confusing transition from Somebody to Nobody that Nomura has left us in the dark about.
I dont think it would necessarily gray after ten tho...he was pretty young in BBS. Theres just a really confusing transition from Somebody to Nobody that Nomura has left us in the dark about.
No, we can't but we have figure out a bunch of crap. I mean we knew Terra was Xehanort, i know i threw out a theory that Vanitas would look like Sora, and i bet we're right about this game. I just wish Nomura would throw us a bone. Or a trailer. I mean its little things like this that only the developers know. I mean what your saying makes the most sens, that darkness accelerates aging, and i can back that up right now with the fact that MX looks older than Eraqus does, well i think he does. I guess I'm looking for confirmation rather than info. Because with confirmation on the little things, we could seriously figure out the entire story to the series.
localorange
I've always felt that a body prematurely can age if one immerses themselves into darkness up to the point that they get severely corrupted. It's the only way I can easily explain Xigbar's hair getting so ridiculously long and starting to grey in my mind, for example, because all evidence points to Radiant Garden falling to darkness 1 year after the events of BBS. No one can get their hair to that length within a year naturally, and Braig always struck me as a guy who was pretty arrogant when it came to every single aspect of himself that you could possibly think of. Not to mention there's his greying that needs to be explained.*
And I can see Saix feeling that he had to participate in whatever dark activities that Xemnas was interested in so he can better kiss his a** . And then he'd get corrupted by the darkness and the power as a nobody.
noheartx
I dont think it would necessarily gray after ten tho...he was pretty young in BBS. Theres just a really confusing transition from Somebody to Nobody that Nomura has left us in the dark about.
localorange
He was, which is why my mind was a little bit blown when Xigbar is seriously greying. That's why I thought that perhaps aging is rushed if someone seriously dabbles in darkness - like Braig -Xigbar probably did. Xigbar must have been doing stuff during those 10 years he was around that caused him to prematurely grey like that....and get his hair to grow that long. Maybe darkness doesn't discriminate?
noheartx
No, we can't but we have figure out a bunch of crap. I mean we knew Terra was Xehanort, i know i threw out a theory that Vanitas would look like Sora, and i bet we're right about this game. I just wish Nomura would throw us a bone. Or a trailer. I mean its little things like this that only the developers know. I mean what your saying makes the most sens, that darkness accelerates aging, and i can back that up right now with the fact that MX looks older than Eraqus does, well i think he does. I guess I'm looking for confirmation rather than info. Because with confirmation on the little things, we could seriously figure out the entire story to the series.
localorange
Agreed. This on everything. And yes - MX looks significantly older than Eraqus. MX also appears to have a mini hunchback. But as far as seeking actual stuff from Nomura - I just feel that it's a bit of a waste to get angry about it. Predict what could happen and draw back from the series until September perhaps? (TGS). I mean - I dunno...I get why everyone is frustrated and angry, and yet I feel that we can't sit, wait, ignore everyone's ideas, and constantly be mad about nothing popping up.
And Ienzo can be explained pretty easily at the moment (until we get news otherwise). Zexion has the power of illusion. He could have kept a constant illusion cloak over himself to make him look older.
BBS Interview with Tetsuya Nomura/Kingdom Hearts Mysteries Answered
In that case, do the characters we see in that scene have a chance of returning?
Nomura:
Yes. The data that Ansem has hidden within Sora is the secret to that
revival. When Ansem had become DiZ, and studied the heart and emotions,
the results he found he hid within Sora. There are a lot of people who
thought that Coded was about finding those results, but that’s not
true. The ending of Coded was about finding out that DiZ had done
something to Sora, as Namine said, finding out about the data that
Ansem hid. 1#What that data is will be revealed in the next game.
Mysteries concerning “Xehanort” and Organization XIII (there were twenty questions)
Q9: Where did the Organization’s coat and mark come from?
A: Xemnas remembering his human years.
2#One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as five other apprentices toss
aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the
Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as
a human. But as Xemnas had two people who he was, Terra and Master
Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories.coat]
Q14: Did something happen in Xigbar’s past?
A: He was Master Xehanort's accomplice.
The number two member in the Organization Xigbar conspired with Master
Xehanort when he was a human named Braig. Because of this, he knows
more about Xemnas, who is the Nobody of Xehanort, than anyone else.
That is why he often says strange things, and can speak up against
Xemnas.
Where he got his eye patch and scar
As Master Xehanort was trying to get Terra’s body as a vessel for
himself, Braig tried to lure Terra into the darkness by fighting him.
But the power of darkness that Terra released was stronger than he
would have imagined, and he ended up losing his right eye and getting a
wound along his cheek. 3#Afterwards Braig’s ears become sharper, and his
brown eyes change to gold. This is because he was influenced by
Xehanort who he was working with.
Things Xigbar has said in the past
“Why are you always looking at me like that?”
(Days, Day 353: When he sees Xion as Ventus.)
“Oh yeah, he looked at me like that too!”
(KHII: Facing off against Sora in Hollow Bastion.)
At the end of Ventus and Aqua’s scenarios, they went against him in the
Keyblade Graveyard, and Ventus glared at him while frozen. 4#This is
Xigbar remembering that scene.
“How many years ago was that.... when those guys with the key shaped
swords appeared here and fought. After they disappeared, a man who lost
his memories fell.”
(KHII FM Xigbar talked with Zexion about Xemnas’ secrets.)
This is pointing to when Aqua fought Terra-Xehanort in Last Episode.
“So you are one who has been chosen by the keyblade. Though you’re nothing compared to the ones I’ve seen before.”
(KHII: Facing against Sora.)
“The ones I’ve seen before” is referring to Terra and Aqua, who he has
fought against before, as well as Ventus, Master Xehanort and Vanitas.
Continuing mysteries (Questions are over, and these were the remaining mysteries)
(?) Did Apprentice Xehanort really lose his memories?
Master Xehanort commandeered Terra’s body, and became Ansem the Wise’s
apprentice. According to Secret Ansem Report 1 From KHII, the young man
asked to become a test subject for Ansem’s research so he could get his
memories back, After that they began the study of darkness, but did he
really lose his memories? And are those memories Terra’s or Master
Xehanort’s?
(?) Where is Master Xehanort’s keyblade?
As was stated in Secret Ansem Report 13 in KHII, while studying
darkness the young Xehanort opened the door to the heart of Radiant
Garden. This would have been possible if he had a keyblade, but
according to the Ansem Reports 4-8 in KH, he did not yet know about the
keyblade at the time. In Last Episode Master Xehanort used his keyblade
up until going to the world of darkness, but what happened to it after
that...?
(?) What are the “seeds” that Xehanort has planted?
In the secret event, Master Xehanort tells Terra that he has already
laid many plans, and that the seeds have been sown. 5#Telling Braig and
Maleficent about the “Kingdom Hearts” was one part of his plans, but
what other plans have Braig and Master Xehanort laid? What other
measures have been taken?
(?) What are the details of Ansem’s apprentices fall into darkness?
Most of what had happened with Ansem’s apprentices before their fall
into darkness is unknown, aside from what was touched upon in Secret
Ansem Reports. And the mystery of “the plan that was decided on after
Axel and Saix entered the Organization” that was talked about in the
Secret Reports in Days still remains. 6#According to Nomura there is
still much about the Organization’s humans that has yet to be said
(?) What happened to his heart and memories after separation?
One year after BbS, Apprentice Xehanort was separated into his
Heartless (Ansem Seeker of Darkness) and his Nobody (Xemnas). The
former took actions that were more like Master Xehanort, while the
latter has said things that seem more like Terra, so how were Terra and
Master Xehanort’s hearts and wills separated, and what sort of
influences do they have over each?
(?) Did they meet in the realm of darkness?
In the secret event we see Aqua and Ansem the Wise talking in the realm
of darkness after the events of KHII. 7#Over one year before, Mickey
traveled to the realm of darkness to search for the keyblade, but
during that time did they really not see each other? If they did, then
how does that relate to the story afterward?
Like you said, MX views Eraqus as a younger brother. That, coupled with the fact that they studied under the same master, makes it more plausible that there's a smalls difference of age between them.1. MX is older than Eraqus, we know that. He says himself that Eraqus was younger than him enough to make him see Eraqus as a younger brother. My guess is that he is significantly older than Eraqus. Simple as that.
There hasn't really been a normal Nobody that contradicts this...Someone said that Nomura said Nobodies don't age, if he hasn't changed his mind on that, then he obviously has some serious explaining to do. Until then I say they can age.
...Unless you bring up Ienzo/Zexion, to which it's very possible he was using an illusion this entire time.Also, it's one thing if you're a kid and you're growing constantly,
Xehanort/Xemnas? Actually, there's apparently a reason for him looking different from Xehanort, which I don't think is the same as the reason that Nobodies look a bit different from their complete counterparts. Keep in mind that Xemnas is a special Nobody.but once you get to a certain point, you don't really have noticeable changes in you appearance. Particularly from your twenties to forties, which is about the age range of some of the these characters I'm sure.
Namine isn't the best example here, though; She's a special Nobody.Another thing you guys are forgetting is that Namine aged.... lol
A year can be enough for some changes to appear. See: Sora, Riku, Kairi2# Proof. it was a year, so there was no time for them to age as humans before becoming a nobody
2. Braig doesn't look that young. And Xigbar doesn't necessarily look that old either, take away the long graying hair and he looks practically the same. The scar and eye patch also make him look older period, at least to me.
.3. Lexaeus, Vexen, and Xaldin all look the same. Xemnas looks like a slightly older version of Terra-which he technically is considering that's Terra's body-, and Xigbar, despite a few differences, really only looks slightly older as well
Ienzo-Zexion can be easily explained: he has the power of illusion. He probably took it upon himself to make him look older than he really was once that power was unlocked. The fact that Ansem considers him an adoptive son means absolutely nothing; all of the apprentices may very well have had a joint hand in watching him, because Even also watches over him (as shown in BBS)Ienzo, on the other hand, is only a year older when he became a nobody than he was in BBS(have the interview to prove it was a year after BBS, it will go at the end of this part). He didn't seriously dabble in darkness, in the Secret Ansem Reports it only says he persuaded AtW to build the Laboratory, but that makes sense because Ienzo's his adoptive son, and thus very close to him.
No they don't, they look older than they were in BBS.Another thing, Axel and Saix look exactly the age their supposed to be-if they were, for example, 15 or so in BBS, than that would make them about 26 in KH2. I think it's near impossible that they suddenly zapped to that exact age when they became nobodies.
Fine. It's your opinion. I find some holes in that statement with some of the characters (Xigbar). But you're right; Nomura has a great deal of things to explain to everyone in the future.Someone said that Nomura said Nobodies don't age, if he hasn't changed his mind on that, then he obviously has some serious explaining to do. Until then I say they can age.
Like someone else said, Namine is a very special case. She breaks most of the normal rules of a nobody. At the moment, she is unexplainable until future games come out.Another thing you guys are forgetting is that Namine aged.... lol
The fact that Radiant Garden fell a year after the end of BBS has been proven ever since Leon said in the first game that his world fell 9 years ago to Maleficent and the heartless, since BBS takes place 10 years before the first Kingdom Hearts game.2# Proof. it was a year, so there was no time for them to age as humans before becoming a nobody
*shrugs* I stand by my own personal theory that Saix was corrupted while he was a nobody.3# Those exact features were caused by MX, and Saix has those exact features as well.
Wait, why would Riku be involved in anything Xehanort is doing at this point in the games? Unless you're talking about his time with Maleficent in KH1?5# Somehow I think Riku is involved in his plans, it would certainly make sense.
Like you said, MX views Eraqus as a younger brother. That, coupled with the fact that they studied under the same master, makes it more plausible that there's a smalls difference of age between them.
There hasn't really been a normal Nobody that contradicts this...
...Unless you bring up Ienzo/Zexion, to which it's very possible he was using an illusion this entire time.
Xehanort/Xemnas? Actually, there's apparently a reason for him looking different from Xehanort, which I don't think is the same as the reason that Nobodies look a bit different from their complete counterparts. Keep in mind that Xemnas is a special Nobody.
Namine isn't the best example here, though; She's a special Nobody.
A year can be enough for some changes to appear. See: Sora, Riku, Kairi
Sidenote: Careful with the "KH Mysteries Solved" article. Since it didn't directly involve Nomura, those answers may just be fan answers in the end.
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I attempted to put a screenshot of Xigbar up, but it was either way too large or the site was giving me crap claiming I had malware on it and promptly gave me PC tools to fix it....PC tools to fix a macbook...anyway.
I look at that picture and see a guy in his 30s - early 30s at the earliest. But after looking through enough pictures of Xigbar: there is an age difference. Xigbar's face is thinner and there are more lines on his face. Not to mention there's the greying hair. He aged, and I think it's because Xigbar continued to participate with Xemnas in dabbling with the darkness and proceeded to become more corrupted as a nobody.
They're the exceptions, and they're the ones that prove Nomura's statement. Although I did notice that Xaldin's sideburns look difference, but that's just picking on the smallest, insignificant things at this point that don't matter at all.
Ienzo-Zexion can be easily explained: he has the power of illusion. He probably took it upon himself to make him look older than he really was once that power was unlocked. The fact that Ansem considers him an adoptive son means absolutely nothing; all of the apprentices may very well have had a joint hand in watching him, because Even also watches over him (as shown in BBS)
No they don't, they look older than they were in BBS.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/_...n/images/d/d9/Lea_and_Isa_-_Axel_and_Saix.jpg
http://aliceindreamland.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/axel4.jpg
I'm not putting either of them to full image because it's huge. But look at it. Isa and Lea's faces aren't as elongated as Saix and Axel's are, which means they are younger. I know enough about drawing faces and art to know that when you want to draw a younger person, you place the age on a smaller face. When you want to draw an older person, the face becomes more elongated. I've come to the conclusion that means they must have became nobodies a few years after the fall of Radiant Garden. And they would still fit in the statement that nobodies don't age anyway - they could have become nobodies five years after BBS and simply stayed that way, not aging (bar Saix's signs of corruption) Saix and Axel look to me at the very least, around 20-21.
Fine. It's your opinion. I find some holes in that statement with some of the characters (Xigbar). But you're right; Nomura has a great deal of things to explain to everyone in the future.
Like someone else said, Namine is a very special case. She breaks most of the normal rules of a nobody. At the moment, she is unexplainable until future games come out.
Now for the interviews some of you asked for(I haven't found the one on DDD yet, but I wanted to go ahead and get this one up on here). This had to be taken from another site like KHI bc KHI was down earlier:
The fact that Radiant Garden fell a year after the end of BBS has been proven ever since Leon said in the first game that his world fell 9 years ago to Maleficent and the heartless, since BBS takes place 10 years before the first Kingdom Hearts game.
*shrugs* I stand by my own personal theory that Saix was corrupted while he was a nobody.
Wait, why would Riku be involved in anything Xehanort is doing at this point in the games? Unless you're talking about his time with Maleficent in KH1?
I didn't say there wasn't any age difference. But even after seeing that picture.. I still don't see that big of a difference in Xigbar, other than the general getting older look(grey hair, thin face, etc.)
Axel and Saix: They could have become nobodies a few years after Radiant Garden fell. That is explainable: they could have escaped to Traverse Town, waited for a few years, and attempted to find a way to figured out what happened by going out on a ship on their own that Cid built. The Organization could have found them, captured them, and done experiments on them in The Castle that Never Was. Xaldin and Lexaeus could have remembered Isa and Lea as those annoying teenagers that were constantly trying to break into Radiant Garden, and wanted to teach them a lesson. So they were directed to Vexen for experimentation.Exceptions....to what exactly? They were right alongside Xehanort and Xigbar weren't they? Never once does the game exclude the other apprentices in their research of darkness. Why the heck are some of the nobodies significantly older in appearance(namely Axel, Saix, Zexion, who were all kids), and the rest virtually the same?
So Ienzo just had a little more clout over the others. It makes sense; he's a kid. Kids can get their own way more easily than grownups. But more than just Ansem had a hand in taking care of Ienzo - that's all I'm trying to say. What could have happened is one of the apprentices coaxed Ienzo into suggesting the idea, and Ansem allowed for it to happen because it was Ienzo that wanted it done.Yes it actually does mean something. The other apprentices did watch over him yes, but Ienzo was Ansem's adoptive son. It clearly shows you in the Blank Points(as brief as it was) that they were close, why would Ienzo out of all the other apprentices try to persuade Ansem to build a laboratory? Bc they were close.
Thanks for the clarification. And see my possible explanation a few paragraphs above.Noooooooooooooo, no no no no. I didn't say they looked the same. They are older. My point is that if we say for example that Lea and Isa were 15 years old in BBS (which would probably be about right), than that would make them 26 in KH2('cuz it's 11 years later). I don't think that when they became Nobodies, the darkness automatically zapped them to look somewhere in that age range. That's a little too convenient. Also, the theory of Saix being experimented on wouldn't really make sense if Lea and Isa became nobodies 5 or so years later. The apprentices were kidnapping people and experimenting on them, and eventually on themselves, so when they became nobodies, why would they continue to conduct experiments? What purpose would it serve after they had already fallen to darkness?
Ok - you're right, that would. I was under the impression for some reason that you thought Riku would actually participate in whatever MX had in store for his seeds. But Ansem probably did detect Terra passing Riku the power of the keyblade, which would explain a number of Riku's actions revolving around the keyblade in KH1. (mostly Riku's statement that Sora is just the delivery boy and he's the true wielder). Who knows? Maleficent could have detected that power in him as well, but she just didn't know where it came from.I'm just talking about 'the seeds' part. I think MX had found out somehow about Riku, possibly even about Riku being picked by Terra, which might be possible if MX were able to see Terra's memories. Why wouldn't he? He did possess Terra's body, I'm pretty sure that granted him the ability to see his memories. Either way I think he had plans for Riku in the future, which would sort of explain in part the whole obsession Ansem has with Riku, coupled with the fact that Ansem is more MX than Terra.
What localorange said; The two could've transitioned to Nobodies any time between BBS and KH.You mean there isn't a normal nobody that contradicts the statement that they don't age? Axel and Saix. They were nobodies some time before the start of KH1, that's ten years later. They don't look as young as 20 years old.
Xemnas is the Nobody of someone who had a conglomerate of hearts, which in turn ended up to become one of the only two Heartless in the series with sentience. A Nobody's specialness is determined by its birth process, to which Xemnas' seemed to have qualified. Also, I wouldn't quite say it was darkness that aged Braig, rather it may have been his "connection" to MX that did so. So I think, anyways.Xemnas is just Terra's leftover body.. how is he a special nobody, aside from his memories and who he was as Xehanort? If dabbling seriously in darkness turned Xigbar into an old guy (but not everyone else), how do you explain why Xemnas only looks slightly older than Xehanort?
It's best not to treat a character who we do not fully understand as if she belonged entirely to a class of beings that we do understand.Yes Namine is special in how she was born, but that should have nothing to do with her appearance. Her appearance is slightly different than would it should be, she doesn't look exactly like Kairi, but I still don't see how that affects her age. She is a nobody no matter how special she is.
It came from the BBS Ultimania, IIRC. It actually wouldn't surprise me if they really did just put in those answers, so as to please fans and get the book selling. There are some straight-out assumptions in there, a lot of which I haven't seen Nomura back up.This was a published interview.. yes?(I can't remember the exact source) I don't believe someone would just make up those answers and pretend it was Nomura.. I think that's a little more than far fetched. Not to mention that he basically reiterates some of those answers in other interviews.
Xemnas is the Nobody of someone who had a conglomerate of hearts, which in turn ended up to become one of the only two Heartless in the series with sentience. A Nobody's specialness is determined by its birth process, to which Xemnas' seemed to have qualified. Also, I wouldn't quite say it was darkness that aged Braig, rather it may have been his "connection" to MX that did so. So I think, anyways.
It's best not to treat a character who we do not fully understand as if she belonged entirely to a class of beings that we do understand.
On top of all of this, I need to lay out something: Just because you don't believe in a theory doesn't mean it's not necessarily true. Do not snidely dismiss any theory just because you don't believe in it. Accept that it exists, state plainly that you don't believe in it, and move on. For example, Zexion's power is the power of illusion. Therefore, it is possible that he could have used the power of illusion on himself to make himself look older.
I'll never believe the whole 'illusion' thing..
We do realize that this is, to a certain extent, the case. While we do appreciate that you also realize this, you may have come off as if you didn't to some of us.Might I add, that is all I have said about the Zexion theory. GET it? I merely stated that I don't believe the theory. Or am I not allowed to say that without offending you? Not once have I diminished or snidely dismissed(loved that one) any of the theories that have been presented here-even if I don't agree with them. What I try to do is explain why I don't believe them and give my reasoning, and I expect you to do the same for your ideas. No matter what any of us thinks we know, no one knows definitively what happened or what is going to happen, until we are shown in the games.
We do realize that this is, to a certain extent, the case. While we do appreciate that you also realize this, you may have come off as if you didn't to some of us.
Regardless, chillax. I doubt localorange was trying to bitch at you, and she probably wouldn't have spoken like that if she knew if would rub off like that on you. It happens all the time, people misunderstanding others' viewpoints and whatnot. Don't take it as an insult that it happened. Also, while it's pitiful that life sucks dick for you at the moment, it's not our responsibility to monitor what we say because of things we're not aware of.
In the end, it's just a forum; Loosen up.
yea don't take everything too seriously here. if everyone took things as seriously as that, I'm pretty sure everyone on this site would despise each other. everybody on this site is pretty opinionated, and they want to try and prove their theorys as the right one. just go with the flow, and if someone does do something rude, just ignore it. if its that bad, a mod will take action.
Back on topic...i was thinking about what exactly Master Xehanort's goal will be now that he's back, We know he wanted to re-enact the keyblade wars, but does he have the materials for that now? I mean he had Ven and Van, but i don't think he has a heart of pure darkness to use this time around. Does that mean he will completely abandon the idea of forging the X-blade? Or will he introduce some other way to do it? Or, i guess the most likely is that Van is indeed one of the people with Xehanort.