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I just want to know what will happen to Sora when Ven's heart is set free? Sora is only able to wield the keyblade because Ven's heart is apart of his, but when it's set free and Ven wakes up how will Sora be able to wield the keyblade? I mean Terra chose Riku as the true keyblade master, so i'm just wondering how Sora will be able to wield it when the heart of Ven is set free.

...Wrong. The Keyblade chose Sora itself, and after Riku took it from him, it chose him again because of the light in his heart, and the darkness in Riku's.

Ven has nothing to do with Sora wielding the Keyblade. Now the dual-wielding however, that is because of Ven. He can wield his and Ven's Keyblade.

When Roxas destroyed Xion, he awakened his own dual-wielding, and the two Keyblades(Oathkeeper and Oblivion) took on their forms to symbolize Sora's relationship with Kairi and Riku respectively.

If anything, Sora might lose the ability to dual-wield. But even then, he might still be able to use Roxas' Keyblade as his second one.
 

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...Wrong. The Keyblade chose Sora itself, and after Riku took it from him, it chose him again because of the light in his heart, and the darkness in Riku's.

Ven has nothing to do with Sora wielding the Keyblade. Now the dual-wielding however, that is because of Ven. He can wield his and Ven's Keyblade.

When Roxas destroyed Xion, he awakened his own dual-wielding, and the two Keyblades(Oathkeeper and Oblivion) took on their forms to symbolize Sora's relationship with Kairi and Riku respectively.

If anything, Sora might lose the ability to dual-wield. But even then, he might still be able to use Roxas' Keyblade as his second one.

All of that is correct, except the last part. Sora can't use Roxas' keyblade because Roxas' keyblade is Sora's keyblade. And he can't use Xion's because Xion's is just a replica of Roxas/Sora's which now can't be used.
 

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All of that is correct, except the last part. Sora can't use Roxas' keyblade because Roxas' keyblade is Sora's keyblade. And he can't use Xion's because Xion's is just a replica of Roxas/Sora's which now can't be used.

Eh. Oh well lol

Sora's gonna get screwed then
 

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Indeed, Roxas has no real keyblade that is personally his.
The two keyblades Roxas used while he was independent where Sora's own and Ven's, respectively.

Xion's "keyblade" was indeed a replica...or, like Riku put it, a sham.

So as it stands now, on our level of current knowledge, when Ventus's heart gets healed and put back into its body Sora will lose the dual-wield ability.
 

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Which makes him even suckier compared to TAV. I mean, that was really the only thing he had going for him.

Sora is much more skilled when the used the Keyblade like a sword. He had speed and strength, and a bunch of magic. Whereas, Terra only had strength, Ven: speed, and Aqua: magic. Sora had all three.

Sora never used Dual Wield outside gameplay anyways, so there is no time in the story that Sora used it that is canon.
 

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Like Luap said, Sora has an effective mix.
He hits hard and can do two-handed hammer blows like Terra, he's versatile in Magic and while he may not reach the actual super-speed Ven has...as compensation for that Sora's defense is way better than Ven's.

That with the dual wield is not completely true though, as Sora wielded his own keyblade and Way to the Dawn in the final showdown with Xemnas in a cutscene in normal form.
 

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Like Luap said, Sora has an effective mix.
He hits hard and can do two-handed hammer blows like Terra, he's versatile in Magic and while he may not reach the actual super-speed Ven has...as compensation for that Sora's defense is way better than Ven's.

That with the dual wield is not completely true though, as Sora wielded his own keyblade and Way to the Dawn in the final showdown with Xemnas in a cutscene in normal form.

Yes, but just that he can dual-wield at all is because of Ventus.

Sora's already proven time and time again that's he's stronger than TAV in a lot of ways, particularly his strength of heart is excellent, which is very important. Riku is also as strong or stronger than TAV, in my opinion at least.

In fact, if they did physically fight in the MoME, I wonder who would actually win the fight..?
 

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I don't actually think that at all...I don't know where people get that assumption from, but at least Terra and Aqua should be one or two levels above them still in terms of battle power.
I normally don't like these comparison issues, as it too often comes down to a heated favorite-debate, so I try to keep it short.
Each one of them has their own advantages and disadvantages, you can't say one is stronger than the other just by one or two factors alone, the one winning in one battle against his/her opponent may, depending on circumstances, mood, overall state of the day and other external factors lose the next.

To say "Sora is stronger than Aqua." just like that is making the issue too easy.
Aqua is in terms of Magic and nimbleness quite above Sora, while she can't match his brute force and HP as well as defense.
Terra on one hand is way more powerful than Sora in terms of brute force and defense, but is at a disadvantage in terms of speed and agility.
Ventus now is probably the quickest of all keyblade wielders so far...he's very swift and agile, decent in magic and chains together many quick-hit combos...his disadvantages would be a crappy defense, the fact that his hits don't do much damage by themselves and that he's not as good in brute-force as Sora is.


That Sora's heart is one of the strongest should however be a no-brainer up to now.
 

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Right, i understand that, but Sora has been teaching himself how to use the keyblade, but TAV learned from a Master. I feel like if you don't go about it technically, and forget about stats, Sora loses everytime.
 

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Right, i understand that, but Sora has been teaching himself how to use the keyblade, but TAV learned from a Master. I feel like if you don't go about it technically, and forget about stats, Sora loses everytime.

If someone has self taught to play an instrument, does that mean they're not as good as someone who technically learned from a teacher?

I didn't mean Sora is stronger than TAV, not even that he would win in a battle against any of them. But he is in some ways. Besides, even if he didn't match up exactly to TAV, just look at all the people he's already destroyed at 14/15 years of age. He's stronger than they probably were at his age.
 

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Yeah Roxas and Namine aged because of their connection to Sora and Kairi and probably Ven. The other nobodies (and I am not talking BBS since they weren't nobodies then) didn't age in KH I, KH COM, Days or Kh II.
 

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Yeah Roxas and Namine aged because of their connection to Sora and Kairi and probably Ven. The other nobodies (and I am not talking BBS since they weren't nobodies then) didn't age in KH I, KH COM, Days or Kh II.

We don't know that for sure.

..But KH2 is only a year after KH1. All the other Nobodies are already adults. They wouldn't noticeably age in a year. Besides, once you get to a certain age your appearance pretty much stays the same. You really don't even start getting wrinkles until you're 40's and 50's.
 

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If someone has self taught to play an instrument, does that mean they're not as good as someone who technically learned from a teacher?

I didn't mean Sora is stronger than TAV, not even that he would win in a battle against any of them. But he is in some ways. Besides, even if he didn't match up exactly to TAV, just look at all the people he's already destroyed at 14/15 years of age. He's stronger than they probably were at his age.

I mean they're all too damn strong in the first place. Seirously, even Terra, who is only 17/18, is going around the galaxy and saving it from evil. Like.....cmon.

And i do agree, Sora is strong for his age do doubt. And he has plenty of accomplishments. All Im saying is he doesnt have the experience that TAV, well more Terra and Aqua have. Him and Ven are probably around the same skill level to be hnest, with Ven just barely edging him out. I'm just sayin, I'd prolly rather fight Sora than TAV.
 

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I mean they're all too damn strong in the first place. Seirously, even Terra, who is only 17/18, is going around the galaxy and saving it from evil. Like.....cmon.

And i do agree, Sora is strong for his age do doubt. And he has plenty of accomplishments. All Im saying is he doesnt have the experience that TAV, well more Terra and Aqua have. Him and Ven are probably around the same skill level to be hnest, with Ven just barely edging him out. I'm just sayin, I'd prolly rather fight Sora than TAV.

..When Ven came to LoD, that was four years before the start of BBS, if Terra is 18 then he would have to have been 14 then..o_O he's at least in his early twenties.

I have to disagree. I think Sora is way stronger than Ven, he has more experience then Ven does. Maybe not as much as Terra and Aqua, but their much older and have fought stronger people.
 

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I think Ven has fought stronger people than Sora has. Vanitas is no doubt powerful, and an illegitimate Keyblade Master recognized by MX. And not in the same way Terra was "Master Terra". Sora's hardest opponent was probably Xemnas, and i gotta say he really doesn't hold a candle to them. Or Terra/Lingering Senitiment, but we know Terra so that doesn't really count.

And your probably right about Terra being in his twenties. It's just hard for me to believe someone so old can act like a Disney Character.
 

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I think Ven has fought stronger people than Sora has. Vanitas is no doubt powerful, and an illegitimate Keyblade Master recognized by MX. And not in the same way Terra was "Master Terra". Sora's hardest opponent was probably Xemnas, and i gotta say he really doesn't hold a candle to them. Or Terra/Lingering Senitiment, but we know Terra so that doesn't really count.

And your probably right about Terra being in his twenties. It's just hard for me to believe someone so old can act like a Disney Character.

But.. Vanitas is the only one he really fights isn't he, aside from any disney bosses? And Sora's defeated Ansem, Larxene, Marluxia, Demyx, Xaldin, Xigbar, Luxord, Saix, and Xemnas..some of those more than once. Not to mention when he defeated Roxas in their Dive to the Heart, despite Roxas being strong himself(he was able to beat Xion, Saix, Riku, and Axel). I think he at least has more experience in battles.
 

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But.. Vanitas is the only one he really fights isn't he, aside from any disney bosses? And Sora's defeated Ansem, Larxene, Marluxia, Demyx, Xaldin, Xigbar, Luxord, Saix, and Xemnas..some of those more than once. Not to mention when he defeated Roxas in their Dive to the Heart, despite Roxas being strong himself(he was able to beat Xion, Saix, Riku, and Axel). I think he at least has more experience in battles.

Yea, i think Ven had the worst storyline of the three. He really didn;t have any excitinjg boss fights. I think that was a huge flaw in his storyline. The only person he fought who wasn't Disney or Generic Inversed was Vanitas. That's it. It was really diappointing. And yea, Sora hasd beaten more, but i mean if you put Ventus in those situations then he could probably do it too. I mean, if you really wanna get technical, Sora had Donald and Goofy, while Ven was alone most of the time.
 

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Yea, i think Ven had the worst storyline of the three. He really didn;t have any excitinjg boss fights.
Sooooooooo strongly disagree. Hook & Metamorphosis are 2 of my favorite bosses to replay. Witch form Maleficent would be too if she wasn't so far from a save point. >_<
 
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