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facepalmYou're all wrong

okay first of there are no such thing as heartless in the realm of light till xehanort the apprentice creates them 1 year later thus making it a natural born process of when someone loses their heart u create a heartless/nobody. why the hell do you think there are NO FREAKING HEARTLESS IN BBS? they're in the realm of darkness.facepalm

u only see some heartless because master xehanort summoned it them from there but it doesnt mean heartless exist. they exist in that own realm but they do NOT i repeat DO NOT exist in the realm of light till xehanort apprentice fucks up with the worlds.

and who gives a shit if mx put his heart into terra. automatically if you stab urself and unlock your heart u create a heartless/nobody END OF STORY. there are no if's, and's or but's. the reason master xehanort didnt create any heartless/nobody is because that "process" of heartless being born was not made till a year later which xehanort the apprentice started it.

heartless dont exist in the realm of light thus don't exist when someone loses their heart as that process wasnt made yet and thus nobodies dun exist because they are the leftover and counterpart of the heartless.

MX DOES NOT HAVE A HEARTLESS OR A NOBODY FFS.
 

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facepalmYou're all wrong

okay first of there are no such thing as heartless in the realm of light till xehanort the apprentice creates them 1 year later thus making it a natural born process of when someone loses their heart u create a heartless/nobody. why the hell do you think there are NO FREAKING HEARTLESS IN BBS? they're in the realm of darkness.facepalm

u only see some heartless because master xehanort summoned it them from there but it doesnt mean heartless exist. they exist in that own realm but they do NOT i repeat DO NOT exist in the realm of light till xehanort apprentice fucks up with the worlds.

and who gives a shit if mx put his heart into terra. automatically if you stab urself and unlock your heart u create a heartless/nobody END OF STORY. there are no if's, and's or but's. the reason master xehanort didnt create any heartless/nobody is because that "process" of heartless being born was not made till a year later which xehanort the apprentice started it.

heartless dont exist in the realm of light thus don't exist when someone loses their heart as that process wasnt made yet and thus nobodies dun exist because they are the leftover and counterpart of the heartless.

MX DOES NOT HAVE A HEARTLESS OR A NOBODY FFS.

If Heartless only exist in the Realm of Darkness, that doesn't mean that they don't exist AT ALL in the Realm of Light. They simply aren't naturally found in the realm of light, while they are naturally in the realm of darkness. They can still be created, however, as long as one's heart is filled with darkness.

As far as we know, there could have been Heartless in the Keyblade War, and they may have simply been banished from the realm of light. After all, how did Master Xehanort know about them if they hadn't been in the Realm of Light yet? He summoned neoshadows to attack Ven, so he must have known about the Heartless to some extent.

Xehanort didn't invent the process of losing a heart. The characters don't create the natural laws of the Kingdom Hearts Universe. He simply rediscovered it, because Heartless had been found in the Realm of Darkness in BBS.

Xehanort may not have a heart, but he could have a nobody. Theoretically, a Nobody is simply a body without a heart but instead a strong soul. Master Xehanort's body may have fulfilled this requirement, as he seemed to have a strong will. However, because his heart never truly gave into darkness, Master Xehanort doesn't have a Heartless. His heart simply went into Terra's body.
 

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i think ansem SOD was more like mx because since MX had more control over xehanort the apprentice, his heart was first to become a heartless. then, since his heart became a heartless, then i am thinking terra has his heart inside xemnas. i mean there is a lot to disprove that terras heart is in xemnas but its almost a fact that MXs heart is in ansem SOD.
 

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If Heartless only exist in the Realm of Darkness, that doesn't mean that they don't exist AT ALL in the Realm of Light. They simply aren't naturally found in the realm of light, while they are naturally in the realm of darkness. They can still be created, however, as long as one's heart is filled with darkness.

As far as we know, there could have been Heartless in the Keyblade War, and they may have simply been banished from the realm of light. After all, how did Master Xehanort know about them if they hadn't been in the Realm of Light yet? He summoned neoshadows to attack Ven, so he must have known about the Heartless to some extent.

Xehanort didn't invent the process of losing a heart. The characters don't create the natural laws of the Kingdom Hearts Universe. He simply rediscovered it, because Heartless had been found in the Realm of Darkness in BBS.

Xehanort may not have a heart, but he could have a nobody. Theoretically, a Nobody is simply a body without a heart but instead a strong soul. Master Xehanort's body may have fulfilled this requirement, as he seemed to have a strong will. However, because his heart never truly gave into darkness, Master Xehanort doesn't have a Heartless. His heart simply went into Terra's body.

Thanks for telling him that, i was just about to say that. xD also don't forget that xehanort the apprentice probably wanted to experiment on the heart in the first place to either bring back the heartless which were probably banished from the realm of light like you said, or he just wanted to rid of terras heart so there wouldnt be anyone stopping him.
 

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If Heartless only exist in the Realm of Darkness, that doesn't mean that they don't exist AT ALL in the Realm of Light. They simply aren't naturally found in the realm of light, while they are naturally in the realm of darkness. They can still be created, however, as long as one's heart is filled with darkness.
where are you getting this from?

the FACT that we see is there are no such thing as heartless in the realm of light. NO WHERE, NADA, ZIP. they feed on you. they multiply. you will not find any such thing as "little heartless" ANYWHERE. they are not here in the realm of light because they simply do not exist till xehanort apprentice came in the pic and literally bought them into the realm of light. so now there are heartless in realm of light and realm of darkness. but in bbs there are only in the realm of darkness and they cannot get out. GET THE PIC STRAIGHT.

no they can not still be created because mx would have turned into a heartless the exact time he realeased his heart. it doesnt freaking matter if you're a master or not. the process of losing your heart would make u a heartless/nobody.
NUMBER 1.
XEMNAS WAS/IS THE FIRST NOBODY EVER ALONG WITH THE OTHER APPRENTICES. mx has no freaking nobody/heartless. ppl have to get this right. it pisses me off sometimes.
As far as we know, there could have been Heartless in the Keyblade War, and they may have simply been banished from the realm of light.
uh too bad "as far as we know" doesnt work here. no heartless in realm of light = NO HEARTLESS AT ALL. so thx for proving me right.
After all, how did Master Xehanort know about them if they hadn't been in the Realm of Light yet? He summoned neoshadows to attack Ven, so he must have known about the Heartless to some extent.
he was never in the keyblade war so that's wrong.
gee ..i dont know? a guy with yellow eyes whos up to his 80's who has been controlling darkness for how long? of course he wasnt going to wander in the realm of darkness....-_-
its obviously that he's been there before which is how he summoned heartless from the first place. oh and another thing if he can bring sumthing that comes from the realm of light that would also give us more info on how he was able to bring kh here. keyblade graveyard isnt in the realm of darkness. kingdom hearts is and it's behind the DtD. the fact that he brought kh over to the realm of light makes when it was in the realm of darkness shows us that he can bring up shit thats from the dark realm.

dont underestimate the old man.
Xehanort didn't invent the process of losing a heart. The characters don't create the natural laws of the Kingdom Hearts Universe. He simply rediscovered it, because Heartless had been found in the Realm of Darkness in BBS.
i never said xehanort created them. i said he created them in the realm of light. why the hell do you think there are so many crawling around now? think about it. if there was a heartless in the realm of light wouldnt u think we would be seeing them? ansem and xehanort said when they steal hearts they multiply fast.

so no it just gives u an idea. hmmmm heartless are only and still in the realm of darkness and can't get out. they are not in the realm of light at this time. not then not till xehanort apprentice comes. u think its coincidence that when xehanort "rediscovered" them in the realm of light chaos erupted? wouldnt u think heartless wuld still chaos if they were in the realm of light before xehanort apprentice "rediscovered" them? exacta mundo.

heartless don't exist in the realm of light.
Xehanort may not have a heart, but he could have a nobody. Theoretically, a Nobody is simply a body without a heart but instead a strong soul
the hell r u talking about? seriously did u even bother looking at KH1 when kairi had no darkness in her heart because she was a POH and she never created a nobody till in hollow bastion because of SORA

to get a nobody you have to turn into a heartless. end of.
Master Xehanort's body may have fulfilled this requirement, as he seemed to have a strong will. However, because his heart never truly gave into darkness, Master Xehanort doesn't have a Heartless. His heart simply went into Terra's body.
uh. no. doesnt work like that.
 
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His heart didn't go to darkness but to Terra.

His body didn't have the will to live so it vanished.
 

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His heart didn't go to darkness but to Terra.

His body didn't have the will to live so it vanished.

or te fact that the "process" of losing ur heart to darkness creating a heartless doesnt exist yet.

u would think there would be many heartless in the realm of light wouldn't u? remember what ansem the wise said how he experienced the darkness overcoming many people in his first report.

heartless do not exist in the ROL.

how hard is that to understand?
 

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where are you getting this from?

the FACT that we see is there are no such thing as heartless in the realm of light. NO WHERE, NADA, ZIP. they feed on you. they multiply. you will not find any such thing as "little heartless" ANYWHERE. they are not here in the realm of light because they simply do not exist till xehanort apprentice came in the pic and literally bought them into the realm of light. so now there are heartless in realm of light and realm of darkness. but in bbs there are only in the realm of darkness and they cannot get out. GET THE PIC STRAIGHT.

no they can not still be created because mx would have turned into a heartless the exact time he realeased his heart. it doesnt freaking matter if you're a master or not. the process of losing your heart would make u a heartless/nobody.
NUMBER 1.
XEMNAS WAS/IS THE FIRST NOBODY EVER ALONG WITH THE OTHER APPRENTICES. mx has no freaking nobody/heartless. ppl have to get this right. it pisses me off sometimes.

uh too bad "as far as we know" doesnt work here. no heartless in realm of light = NO HEARTLESS AT ALL. so thx for proving me right.

he was never in the keyblade war so that's wrong.
gee ..i dont know? a guy with yellow eyes whos up to his 80's who has been controlling darkness for how long? of course he wasnt going to wander in the realm of darkness....-_-
its obviously that he's been there before which is how he summoned heartless from the first place. oh and another thing if he can bring sumthing that comes from the realm of light that would also give us more info on how he was able to bring kh here. keyblade graveyard isnt in the realm of darkness. kingdom hearts is and it's behind the DtD. the fact that he brought kh over to the realm of light makes when it was in the realm of darkness shows us that he can bring up shit thats from the dark realm.

dont underestimate the old man.

i never said xehanort created them. i said he created them in the realm of light. why the hell do you think there are so many crawling around now? think about it. if there was a heartless in the realm of light wouldnt u think we would be seeing them? ansem and xehanort said when they steal hearts they multiply fast.

so no it just gives u an idea. hmmmm heartless are only and still in the realm of darkness and can't get out. they are not in the realm of light at this time. not then not till xehanort apprentice comes. u think its coincidence that when xehanort "rediscovered" them in the realm of light chaos erupted? wouldnt u think heartless wuld still chaos if they were in the realm of light before xehanort apprentice "rediscovered" them? exacta mundo.

heartless don't exist in the realm of light.

the hell r u talking about? seriously did u even bother looking at KH1 when kairi had no darkness in her heart because she was a POH and she never created a nobody till in hollow bastion because of SORA

to get a nobody you have to turn into a heartless. end of.

uh. no. doesnt work like that.

wow man, do you play kh? first of all, becoming a heartless doesn't mean losing your heart, it means that your heart is shrouded in darkness, inaccessible to the heartless making them think they have no heart. sora didn't lose his heart by unlocking it with the heart unlocker. he just shrouded it into darkness since that keyblade was pure darkness. so he technically sacrificed the light in his heart to bring kairi's heart back to her body. that is why heartless feed on hearts.. if you lost your heart, where would it go... secondly, how do you know MX wasn't in the keyblade war. how would he know so much about it? and since you said he's old, you disproved your own point. and third, MX DIDN'T HAVE A HEARTLESS BECAUSE HIS HEART WAS PUT INTO TERRA! lastly, you don't need a heartless to make a nobody like you disproved your point again with kairi. since he had a heart of pure light, she couldn't make a heartless, instead when her heart went into sora, in hollow bastion sora unlocked her heart and created namine. now last question, do you understand the series now?

EDIT: in the first part that i said, there is other proof that heartless have hearts. look KH. the org was happy that sora was killing heartless ecause their dark hearts were being placed into kh, powering it up. the time they needed sora to be gone was when sora knew what was going on and wanted to stop the org. that is why xemnas needed a keyblade wielder like roxas. unaware he was helping the org even after he left it. so don't argue with me about this bullshit you are saying, because you are wrong since all the proof is here.
 
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Thanks for telling him that, i was just about to say that. xD also don't forget that xehanort the apprentice probably wanted to experiment on the heart in the first place to either bring back the heartless which were probably banished from the realm of light like you said, or he just wanted to rid of terras heart so there wouldnt be anyone stopping him.

That's actually a good theory as to why Apprentice Xehanort wanted to cast off his body (Terra- Xemnas) and become a Heartless.
 

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wow man, do you play kh? first of all, becoming a heartless doesn't mean losing your heart, it means that your heart is shrouded in darkness, inaccessible to the heartless making them think they have no heart. that is why heartless feed on hearts.. if you lost your heart, where would it go...
holy shit.

you're a huge moron...
when u become a heartless your technically lose ur heart because its in darkness. you make a nobody out of that goddamn that because that is your heart while u leave over the body + soul
Secondly, how do you know MX wasn't in the keyblade war. how would he know so much about it? and since you said he's old, you disproved your own point.
mx wasnt in the keyblade war. why the fuck do you think he's been wondering about the keyblade war when he spoke to master eraqus? also the keyblade war is nearly 1000 years before BBS. mx is only in his 80s. the keyblade war has been wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before mx and eraqus. he wanted to find out about the keyblade war so obviously HE IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE KW.
MX DIDN'T HAVE A HEARTLESS BECAUSE HIS HEART WAS PUT INTO TERRA!
omg.
lastly, you don't need a heartless to make a nobody like you disproved your point again with kairi.
what the fuck r u talking about?

u do need a heartless to make a nobody. if u dont then namine would have been born the night at destiny islands cuz thats when kairi lost her heart but its been said 100% confirmed that both namine and roxas were born at the same time. tell me when roxas was born. OH YEAH IN HOLLOW BASTION AT THE END OF THE GAME. that means u DO NEED A HEARTLESS TO MAKE A FREAKING NOBODY. if kairi's heart nvr went inside sora she would have never made a heartless.
100% confirmed, point, end of story.
since he had a heart of pure light, she couldn't make a heartless
way to answer yourself. good job. point proven.
 

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holy shit.

you're a huge moron...
when u become a heartless your technically lose ur heart because its in darkness. you make a nobody out of that goddamn that because that is your heart while u leave over the body + soul

mx wasnt in the keyblade war. why the fuck do you think he's been wondering about the keyblade war when he spoke to master eraqus? also the keyblade war is nearly 1000 years before BBS. mx is only in his 80s. the keyblade war has been wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before mx and eraqus. he wanted to find out about the keyblade war so obviously HE IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE KW.

omg.

what the fuck r u talking about?

u do need a heartless to make a nobody. if u dont then namine would have been born the night at destiny islands cuz thats when kairi lost her heart but its been said 100% confirmed that both namine and roxas were born at the same time. tell me when roxas was born. OH YEAH IN HOLLOW BASTION AT THE END OF THE GAME. that means u DO NEED A HEARTLESS TO MAKE A FREAKING NOBODY. if kairi's heart nvr went inside sora she would have never made a heartless.
100% confirmed, point, end of story.

way to answer yourself. good job. point proven.

since you have no respect for one's comment, i'm not gonna disprove you anymore since you will get pissed and act even more immature.
 

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The Keyblade that Sora used on himself is the Keyblade of Peoples Hearts created from the princesses of heart, which had the power to unlock one's heart unleashing the darkness within. Both Sora's and Kairi's hearts were affected, but because Kairi is a pure princess of heart, her heart returned to her body which was an empty vessel. She could not create a true nobody or heartless. Namine is in someway a manifestation of a nobody from Kairi's heart, but through Sora's body, so Sora created two nobodies in a way from both hearts. Namine is genuinely nothing, but an unconditional being of it's existence.

Master Xehanort wanted a new body, and he sought Terra's. Is it not likely that his heart, soul, and very will (in this case "being") was not placed within the body of Terra?, otherwise the fusion between the two wouldn't hold a dramatic look as it did in the game. The will of Terra was placed within his armor, and his armor managed to become sort of an existence of its own (Lingering Sentiment) so the power of your will doesn't necessarily have to stick with one's body in the case that they give it up in a struggle of the heart as Terra and Master Xehanort have implied in the secret ending, or just set their heart through to another vessel. The same could be said about Ven's incomplete heart being transferred to Sora's body.
 

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His heart didn't go to darkness but to Terra.

His body didn't have the will to live so it vanished.

Yet Sora's body seemingly 'vanished' as well, but we all know it certainly didn't. There's no proof to that statement, honestly. Could you provide some?

However, yeah, that first statement is correct.

Is it not likely that his heart, soul, and very will (in this case "being") was not placed within the body of Terra?, otherwise the fusion between the two wouldn't hold a dramatic look as it did in the game. T

If that was the case, then his body died. AtW never stated what exactly would die, and the soul is usually seen as immortal. however, I doubt this happens. No where in the scene does it show that his soul went into Terra's body. only his heart did. Also, will, besides in the creation of nobodies, has never been a separate being before. LS is debatable, as we don't know how it actually came to life. It could be just memories, very much like Xion.

Dramatic Effect? Eh, that's not true. The scene director could have just done that to get people to like the ending. Sholdn't really use that in the argument, in my opinion.

Also, I'm purposely not responding to Samhain, because anything I say will probably be met with the repsonses he's made thus far. I'll debtate with you if you calm down.
 
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Yet Sora's body seemingly 'vanished' as well, but we all know it certainly didn't. There's no proof to that statement, honestly. Could you provide some?

However, yeah, that first statement is correct.



If that was the case, then his body died. AtW never stated what exactly would die, and the soul is usually seen as immortal. however, I doubt this happens. No where in the scene does it show that his soul went into Terra's body. only his heart did. Also, will, besides in the creation of nobodies, has never been a separate being before. LS is debatable, as we don't know how it actually came to life. It could be just memories, very much like Xion.

Dramatic Effect? Eh, that's not true. The scene director could have just done that to get people to like the ending. Sholdn't really use that in the argument, in my opinion.

Also, I'm purposely not responding to BladesofHeart, because anything I say will probably be met with the repsonses he's made thus far. I'll debtate with you if you calm down.

ATW is not all knowledgeable remember? The body may or may not have died but the Struggle within Terra's heart shows that MX's will still existed. In the final battle with Terranort and Aqua, you could clearly see that he is struggling within himself because Terra and Master Xehanort are constituting the existence within that body.

Xion became a person of her own self, even though she was made up of memories. Terra Lingering Sentiment clearly remembers everything that has transpired in BBS, not to mention he opposed Master Xehanort even when pushed out of the existence of his body. This is when the final battle between Terranort, and Terra Lingering Sentiment took place.

As far as the dramatic effect statement you made, no. Sure some things are made to appeal to the fans, but such a transformation does not go unoticed without some type of meaning, and it's been given within the ending and implied as to why very vividly, and that's because the body of Terra's is in a struggle of domination between two hearts with the added heart of Eraqus. Everything has been fused, while giving the body a different outward appearance
 

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ATW is not all knowledgeable remember? The body may or may not have died but the Struggle within Terra's heart shows that MX's will still existed. In the final battle with Terranort and Aqua, you could clearly see that he is struggling within himself because Terra and Master Xehanort are constituting the existence within that body.

Xion became a person of her own self, even though she was made up of memories. Terra Lingering Sentiment clearly remembers everything that has transpired in BBS, not to mention he opposed Master Xehanort even when pushed out of the existence of his body. This is when the final battle between Terranort, and Terra Lingering Sentiment took place.

As far as the dramatic effect statement you made, no. Sure some things are made to appeal to the fans, but such a transformation does not go unoticed without some type of meaning, and it's been given within the ending and implied as to why very vividly, and that's because the body of Terra's is in a struggle of domination between two hearts with the added heart of Eraqus. Everything has been fused, while giving the body a different outward appearance

Wait, what? I'm arguing your statement that MX's body and will went into Terra as well, which has absolutely no evidence to back it up. Also, will is not an actual substance in KH. The will of a person is solely based on their thoughts and actions. Both a heartless and a nobody could have a will. Simply look at SoD and Xemnas.
 

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to get a nobody you have to turn into a heartless. end of.

Alright, let's look at this from square one. A heartless is a heart shrouded in darkness. This heart is no longer part of a person's body. A Nobody is a being without a heart. According to Yen Sid, a nobody has only a soul and body.

Now, let's say someone were to lose their heart, yet the heart didn't become a Heartless. What would become of that body? Nobodies don't HAVE to be the same body as the person who became a Heartless (Namine had her own body, Roxas had his own body). Would a nobody still be formed from the remaining body and soul? Or, is that not possible because you have to turn into a Heartless? That's the question that remains.

In Kingdom Hearts, Nomura changes the rules all the time. He's unpredictable. For example, nobody expected the Ansem from the first game to be someone who wasn't really Ansem. For all we know, he could say that Xehanort wasn't really Xehanort and make the series even more complicated than it is.
 
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Wait, what? I'm arguing your statement that MX's body and will went into Terra as well, which has absolutely no evidence to back it up. Also, will is not an actual substance in KH. The will of a person is solely based on their thoughts and actions. Both a heartless and a nobody could have a will. Simply look at SoD and Xemnas.

And i've explained to you already that the evidence lies in the secret ending of BBS, not to mention the struggle seen within Terranort before and after the final battle with Aqua. The will actually is a substance of KH because that is what gives a nobody a humanoid form, this doesn't rely on thoughts and actions alone considering the KHuniverse :/
 
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Alright, let's look at this from square one. Turning into a heartless makes somebody lose their heart. A Nobody is a being without a heart. According to Yen Sid, a nobody has only a soul and body.

Now, let's say someone were to lose their heart, yet the heart didn't become a Heartless. What would become of that body? Nobodies don't HAVE to be the same body as the person who became a Heartless (Namine had her own body, Roxas had his own body). Would a nobody still be formed from the remaining body and soul? Or, is that not possible because you have to turn into a Heartless? That's the question that remains.

In Kingdom Hearts, Nomura changes the rules all the time. He's unpredictable. For example, nobody expected the Ansem from the first game to be someone who wasn't really Ansem. For all we know, he could say that Xehanort wasn't really Xehanort and make the series even more complicated than it is.

actually the heartless is technically the heart of the person, but just shrouded into complete darkness. then the shell of that person becomes a nobody. in sora's case it wasn't true because ven's heart became roxas and sora's being was still intact because kairi brought him back with her light. i mean i agree with you completely, but an you just change the first statement, because a heartless is a heart shrouded in darkness.
 

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actually the heartless is technically the heart of the person, but just shrouded into complete darkness. then the shell of that person becomes a nobody. in sora's case it wasn't true because ven's heart became roxas and sora's being was still intact because kairi brought him back with her light. i mean i agree with you completely, but an you just change the first statement, because a heartless is a heart shrouded in darkness.

Almost correct. A pure heartless is what is left behind when a heart is swallowed by darkness. In this case the heart disappears but the darkness left behind is given form. An artificial heartless steals hearts just as their original brethren, but the heart is not swallowed by darkness, just captivated.
 

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actually the heartless is technically the heart of the person, but just shrouded into complete darkness. then the shell of that person becomes a nobody. in sora's case it wasn't true because ven's heart became roxas and sora's being was still intact because kairi brought him back with her light. i mean i agree with you completely, but an you just change the first statement, because a heartless is a heart shrouded in darkness.

Yeah, I mispoke. I menat to say that a heartless was a heart completely taken over by darkness.
 
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