Now that I've baited you in with that categorically false title- or if your arrow is hovering over the topic title, just get your ass in here- yeah, well he is YMX. No denying that.
But what I'm about to talk about is related to that contention. We've seen some debate, despite Nomura confirming it, over how YMX is MF. Curiously, a lot of people were quick to point out when the JF2012 trailer was released, how much "skinnier" YMX looked than he looked in the flashbacks in BbS.
I think there's something of note there. Now, plenty of people speculated that MF was YMX, so no surprise there, the big question mark looming was how. But then, after the JF2012 trailer was released, I thought it all but confirmed that he was not MF. Why? Because his body is different.
Too lazy to screen cap, but if you check out YMX in the JF2012 trailer hooded, and compare him to MF, the contrast should be pretty apparent. MF's body type is like that of Xemnas, and he's roughly Terra's height. YMX's body type is more like hooded KH1 Riku, and he's just a bit taller than Vanitas. There is definitely a very noticeable difference. What gives?
Well at first I thought it was a pretty open-and-shut case. They simply altered YMX's figure between BbS and DDD, so the MF figure is outdated. And that's still valid (and still likely). However, there is an interesting way this can fit into the story.
Stop and think. Why would Young MX, as MF, be bulkier/taller at the end of BbS (assuming at least one of the boss battles is canon), but smaller and skinnier in DDD? The same reasons why Sora and Riku transformed. He gets younger in the Realm of Sleep. Soooo, guess you could say we have Young MX (BbS) and Young Young MX (DDD) lol.
On a slight tangent I guess I should theorize about what makes them younger. This is just one possibility I’ve come up with that doesn’t necessarily have to fit into this theory, but yeah, it’s something a little different:
I think it’s more than Yen Sid simply “resetting” them in the RoS for their exam, because if that was the case, then, when Xehanort gets involved, I think enough would be at stake that this kind of de-aging spell should be reversed. Instead, I would guess it has to do with the realm itself. So far, at least three worlds appear to be based in the past (Fantasia, Three Muskateers, Pinocchio) and one is unknown (Notre Dame, though no reason why it couldn’t be in the past). Tron Legacy is a bit of a head scratcher, could be, as others have suggested, based on the original copy from Encom, or maybe it has something to do with Ansem’s data in current time.
Either way, overwhelmingly the worlds point to the past. Why? Because they exist in timeless state as they did before they fell to sleep. Think of it this way- Joshua says that Traverse Town exists in two parts just like their world (ie Shibuya). Those familiar with TWEWY know that the separation he refers to is the realground (RG) and the underground (UG), two alternate planes of existence for one area. Sooo, apply that to the Realm of Sleep. In the real world, be it in the Realm of Light or a world consumed in the Realm of Darkness, exists... well, the real world (ie the “RG”). And the Realm of Sleep is the “UG.” Just think of the outside realms as the physical and the RoS as the metaphysical.
Now, what effect would this have on someone who enters the RoS? It’s easy. They would be transformed into the state they were in before their world fell to sleep/were consumed by darkness (a connection that’s similar to why one returns to their original world when it is restored and why one is not affected by certain things in other worlds, a la the curse in Port Royal). So, I think that adequately explains Sora and Riku, and we see them on Destiny Islands as they were before it was destroyed (I realize that Destiny Islands was of course restored, but perhaps an imprint of the world as it was remained regardless, like a photograph).
What about Young MX though? Well there are a couple possibilities.
One is that KH1 was not the first time DI fell to darkness, and it fell when MX was a kid, which I find to be intriguing, though there’s not much I can speculate there.
Another is that YMX is... actually not from DI, but from some other world that has been submersed in sleep. I know these two ideas seem like a stretch, but hey, they’re something different. And even though I doubt YMX is literally MX from the past, I think him appearing in this form is an opportunity to visit his past. Something happened back then. There’s a reason why we caught a glimpse of it in BbS.
Ok, off that tangent finally. With all that in mind, we have not-quite-as-young MX running around in the real world, and he jumped into the RoS to become young MX. But where did not-so-young MX come from? Is he the newly re-combined Xehanort that Yen Sid referred to?
Well, that's obviously one possibility. Though, if we are to take MF as a hint, it seems YMX does not use a keyblade- likely because he cannot. No reason for a newly recombined Xehanort to not use the keyblade (unless someone wants to make a theory on why he can't- see option B).
So, he's not the Xehanort that returned but he IS a Xehanort? Yup. Remember that thing about there being multiple Xehanorts? Yeah. Right. So he's working with the "real" Xehanort. But that still doesn't answer who he is.
OPTION A: oh boy another theory i did not see that coming. (the first half of the theory). For those understandably not wanting to read another one of my theories, I'm saying he's MX's first Nobody.
With the way it's worded, "the fixed sentiment" is not the LS as you would probably assume, he's talking about the MX that lingered for a little after he released his heart. So, in other words, it sounds like MX made SOMETHING there. Though, under this idea, why has it taken Nobody MX this long to appear (over a decade)? With the risk of this getting longer than I care for it to be I'll just say, yeah, he can possibly use time travel and he jumped forward in time to that date for whatever reason, or alternatively this has something to do with Aqua inhibiting him (ie he would be the antagonist in BbSv2).
But I don't want to end on a theory I've already given so I'll throw another out there, pulled fresh from my ass, flecks of shit and all, for your pleasure.
OPTION B: Alright I could honestly make a million “options,” so whatever, I’m just going to stick with something safe here. Let’s assume that YMX is the newly revived Xehanort. How did he get in that condition?
Well, how does Ansem SoD + Xemnas = YMX? A possibility is subtracting one component- Terra’s heart. Let’s say that Terra’s heart was removed from the equation (the most prevalent theory on this would be that it attached to Riku’s heart when Ansem SoD possessed Riku). Then we just have, essentially, MX’s heart (from Ansem SoD, disregarding Eraqus’ heart because I doubt it has much influence in the makeup of the whole being) plus Terra’s body (Xemnas). This could potentially yield a younger MX, as MX’s heart would be unaffected by Terra’s heart and could mold Terra’s body completely.
So, he’d be a Young MX, aged the same as Terra (or close anyway), and then the age affect of the Realm of Sleep would apply to him, making him even younger, as we see in DDD.
Of course, that doesn’t answer how he appears in BbS- so either he can time travel or that battle isn’t canon.
Where’s the time traveling abilities coming from if that’s the case? I can’t shake the idea that it’s the Chamber of Repose. As I talked about in yet another theory thread which I will be courteous enough to not link, I think the CoR is a means of entering the RoS and, through it, locating the CoW. Now despite how Land of Departure is now Castle Oblivion in the Real World, in the RoS, it exists in a timeless state as it did before the fall.
Going back to the Joshua quote about the world existing in two parts, perhaps the connection between the RoS and the real world is stronger than we thought. That is, maybe by going back to a world which has fallen to sleep in the RoS, and breaking through to the real world there (not really sure how), he could wind up in the past, even if fleetingly, as we saw in BbS.
Alright done, not sure where I was going with this. I’m on my KH mid-life crisis here, <small>kupo!</small> it, I bought this expensive theory and gave it a drive to make me feel young again and less inadequate.
Basically if you take anything away from this it's that I can't make new theories and have to compulsively relate it back to old ones. I'm a shell of the man I once was hurr.
But what I'm about to talk about is related to that contention. We've seen some debate, despite Nomura confirming it, over how YMX is MF. Curiously, a lot of people were quick to point out when the JF2012 trailer was released, how much "skinnier" YMX looked than he looked in the flashbacks in BbS.
I think there's something of note there. Now, plenty of people speculated that MF was YMX, so no surprise there, the big question mark looming was how. But then, after the JF2012 trailer was released, I thought it all but confirmed that he was not MF. Why? Because his body is different.
Too lazy to screen cap, but if you check out YMX in the JF2012 trailer hooded, and compare him to MF, the contrast should be pretty apparent. MF's body type is like that of Xemnas, and he's roughly Terra's height. YMX's body type is more like hooded KH1 Riku, and he's just a bit taller than Vanitas. There is definitely a very noticeable difference. What gives?
Well at first I thought it was a pretty open-and-shut case. They simply altered YMX's figure between BbS and DDD, so the MF figure is outdated. And that's still valid (and still likely). However, there is an interesting way this can fit into the story.
Stop and think. Why would Young MX, as MF, be bulkier/taller at the end of BbS (assuming at least one of the boss battles is canon), but smaller and skinnier in DDD? The same reasons why Sora and Riku transformed. He gets younger in the Realm of Sleep. Soooo, guess you could say we have Young MX (BbS) and Young Young MX (DDD) lol.
On a slight tangent I guess I should theorize about what makes them younger. This is just one possibility I’ve come up with that doesn’t necessarily have to fit into this theory, but yeah, it’s something a little different:
I think it’s more than Yen Sid simply “resetting” them in the RoS for their exam, because if that was the case, then, when Xehanort gets involved, I think enough would be at stake that this kind of de-aging spell should be reversed. Instead, I would guess it has to do with the realm itself. So far, at least three worlds appear to be based in the past (Fantasia, Three Muskateers, Pinocchio) and one is unknown (Notre Dame, though no reason why it couldn’t be in the past). Tron Legacy is a bit of a head scratcher, could be, as others have suggested, based on the original copy from Encom, or maybe it has something to do with Ansem’s data in current time.
Either way, overwhelmingly the worlds point to the past. Why? Because they exist in timeless state as they did before they fell to sleep. Think of it this way- Joshua says that Traverse Town exists in two parts just like their world (ie Shibuya). Those familiar with TWEWY know that the separation he refers to is the realground (RG) and the underground (UG), two alternate planes of existence for one area. Sooo, apply that to the Realm of Sleep. In the real world, be it in the Realm of Light or a world consumed in the Realm of Darkness, exists... well, the real world (ie the “RG”). And the Realm of Sleep is the “UG.” Just think of the outside realms as the physical and the RoS as the metaphysical.
Now, what effect would this have on someone who enters the RoS? It’s easy. They would be transformed into the state they were in before their world fell to sleep/were consumed by darkness (a connection that’s similar to why one returns to their original world when it is restored and why one is not affected by certain things in other worlds, a la the curse in Port Royal). So, I think that adequately explains Sora and Riku, and we see them on Destiny Islands as they were before it was destroyed (I realize that Destiny Islands was of course restored, but perhaps an imprint of the world as it was remained regardless, like a photograph).
What about Young MX though? Well there are a couple possibilities.
One is that KH1 was not the first time DI fell to darkness, and it fell when MX was a kid, which I find to be intriguing, though there’s not much I can speculate there.
Another is that YMX is... actually not from DI, but from some other world that has been submersed in sleep. I know these two ideas seem like a stretch, but hey, they’re something different. And even though I doubt YMX is literally MX from the past, I think him appearing in this form is an opportunity to visit his past. Something happened back then. There’s a reason why we caught a glimpse of it in BbS.
Ok, off that tangent finally. With all that in mind, we have not-quite-as-young MX running around in the real world, and he jumped into the RoS to become young MX. But where did not-so-young MX come from? Is he the newly re-combined Xehanort that Yen Sid referred to?
Well, that's obviously one possibility. Though, if we are to take MF as a hint, it seems YMX does not use a keyblade- likely because he cannot. No reason for a newly recombined Xehanort to not use the keyblade (unless someone wants to make a theory on why he can't- see option B).
So, he's not the Xehanort that returned but he IS a Xehanort? Yup. Remember that thing about there being multiple Xehanorts? Yeah. Right. So he's working with the "real" Xehanort. But that still doesn't answer who he is.
OPTION A: oh boy another theory i did not see that coming. (the first half of the theory). For those understandably not wanting to read another one of my theories, I'm saying he's MX's first Nobody.
With the way it's worded, "the fixed sentiment" is not the LS as you would probably assume, he's talking about the MX that lingered for a little after he released his heart. So, in other words, it sounds like MX made SOMETHING there. Though, under this idea, why has it taken Nobody MX this long to appear (over a decade)? With the risk of this getting longer than I care for it to be I'll just say, yeah, he can possibly use time travel and he jumped forward in time to that date for whatever reason, or alternatively this has something to do with Aqua inhibiting him (ie he would be the antagonist in BbSv2).
But I don't want to end on a theory I've already given so I'll throw another out there, pulled fresh from my ass, flecks of shit and all, for your pleasure.
OPTION B: Alright I could honestly make a million “options,” so whatever, I’m just going to stick with something safe here. Let’s assume that YMX is the newly revived Xehanort. How did he get in that condition?
Well, how does Ansem SoD + Xemnas = YMX? A possibility is subtracting one component- Terra’s heart. Let’s say that Terra’s heart was removed from the equation (the most prevalent theory on this would be that it attached to Riku’s heart when Ansem SoD possessed Riku). Then we just have, essentially, MX’s heart (from Ansem SoD, disregarding Eraqus’ heart because I doubt it has much influence in the makeup of the whole being) plus Terra’s body (Xemnas). This could potentially yield a younger MX, as MX’s heart would be unaffected by Terra’s heart and could mold Terra’s body completely.
So, he’d be a Young MX, aged the same as Terra (or close anyway), and then the age affect of the Realm of Sleep would apply to him, making him even younger, as we see in DDD.
Of course, that doesn’t answer how he appears in BbS- so either he can time travel or that battle isn’t canon.
Where’s the time traveling abilities coming from if that’s the case? I can’t shake the idea that it’s the Chamber of Repose. As I talked about in yet another theory thread which I will be courteous enough to not link, I think the CoR is a means of entering the RoS and, through it, locating the CoW. Now despite how Land of Departure is now Castle Oblivion in the Real World, in the RoS, it exists in a timeless state as it did before the fall.
Going back to the Joshua quote about the world existing in two parts, perhaps the connection between the RoS and the real world is stronger than we thought. That is, maybe by going back to a world which has fallen to sleep in the RoS, and breaking through to the real world there (not really sure how), he could wind up in the past, even if fleetingly, as we saw in BbS.
Alright done, not sure where I was going with this. I’m on my KH mid-life crisis here, <small>kupo!</small> it, I bought this expensive theory and gave it a drive to make me feel young again and less inadequate.
Basically if you take anything away from this it's that I can't make new theories and have to compulsively relate it back to old ones. I'm a shell of the man I once was hurr.
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