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Okay look, this is what is going on:

NOMURA: When Heartless are defeated, essentially the owner’s hearts are rejoined with their once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on.

That simple. Without a Nobody, the freed heart would simply rejoin with the extinguished body. A Nobody actually complicates this process because then the heart has nowhere to return to which is why the Nobody has to be defeated for someone to become whole ago.

In short, with no Nobody, their hearts would simply return to their extinguished bodies.
 

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Okay look, this is what is going on:



That simple. Without a Nobody, the freed heart would simply rejoin with the extinguished body. A Nobody actually complicates this process because then the heart has nowhere to return to which is why the Nobody has to be defeated for someone to become whole ago.

In short, with no Nobody, their hearts would simply return to their extinguished bodies.

Pity Xigbar didn't know that. He could have just shot himself to become whole.
 

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Okay look, this is what is going on:



That simple. Without a Nobody, the freed heart would simply rejoin with the extinguished body. A Nobody actually complicates this process because then the heart has nowhere to return to which is why the Nobody has to be defeated for someone to become whole ago.

In short, with no Nobody, their hearts would simply return to their extinguished bodies.

So then why didn't Eraqus' heart return to his body immediately after being "killed"? I imagine that without the Heartless/Nobody event, the body is gone forever.
 

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Pity Xigbar didn't know that. He could have just shot himself to become whole.
That's really only assuming his heart had been freed somewhere. Otherwise he'd be SOL for a long while.

So then why didn't Eraqus' heart return to his body immediately after being "killed"? I imagine that without the Heartless/Nobody event, the body is gone forever.
Because his heart had gone inside of Terra. It's very similar to the Kairi situation from KH1.
 

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from the reports of days, it seemed like they were trying to stay in their current form and gain the power of the hearts, rather being whole (well mainly from xemnas and the 6 apprentices from what i could see)
 

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from the reports of days, it seemed like they were trying to stay in their current form and gain the power of the hearts, rather being whole (well mainly from xemnas and the 6 apprentices from what i could see)
What it was was that they wanted to become complete, but they weren't searching for their own hearts to do that.
 

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What it was was that they wanted to become complete, but they weren't searching for their own hearts to do that.
i think that was one of them, but the way the report wrote it (i think it was lexeaus or Xaldin who wrote it) they were glad that emotions weren't there to get in their way but had new limitations.
 

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That's really only assuming his heart had been freed somewhere. Otherwise he'd be SOL for a long while.


Because his heart had gone inside of Terra. It's very similar to the Kairi situation from KH1.

But by going by what you said, if the body is extinguished, the heart would return. The heart didn't have to go to Terra. And unlike Kairi, Eraqus wasn't person of pure Light. But this is going by what you said.
 

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But by going by what you said, if the body is extinguished, the heart would return. The heart didn't have to go to Terra. And unlike Kairi, Eraqus wasn't person of pure Light. But this is going by what you said.

Of course the heart didn't -have- to go into Terra, the point was that it DID. If you watch the scene where it happens, it's pretty clear why/how.

i think that was one of them, but the way the report wrote it (i think it was lexeaus or Xaldin who wrote it) they were glad that emotions weren't there to get in their way but had new limitations.
That was Xaldin's report on -why- they casted off their hearts in the first place.
 

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I agree she's a cliche character like everyone else in Kingdom Hearts (& most things we read & see on tv/moviesgames) but she's also a princess of heart, which is a pretty big deal in the KH world.

That's true, but it's also a bummer that that title hasn't actually contributed anything positive to the series yet. It just gave her a place to be towards the end of the first KH.
 

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That's true, but it's also a bummer that that title hasn't actually contributed anything positive to the series yet. It just gave her a place to be towards the end of the first KH.

True, I feel though that BBS is going finally going to go back track on the importance of the princesses of heart yet again, hopefully so it could end this constant kairi bashing haha but I guess that'll never end
 

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True, I feel though that BBS is going finally going to go back track on the importance of the princesses of heart yet again, hopefully so it could end this constant kairi bashing haha but I guess that'll never end

spoiler: they're not that important, even in BBS.
 

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i'm more looking forward to playing with the new characters and testing out the new battle system then i worry about the story and such
 

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what i meant from "in the same boat" is that they are both in the same situation with the keyblade (because you said what makes sora special is that he is inexperience with it).

No, I didn't say his inexperience made him special. I said (three times now) that the fact that the legacy of the Keyblade Wielders, as in, saving the world and protecting the balance, was shoved onto him with no training or Master or support from the culture of the Keyblade wielders.

more answers about the keyblade isn't what changes what the keyblade is and neither is the culture (though i think this word isn't appropriate to use for this situation).

Exactly, nothing changes. It is just built upon. And culture is the right word, because it is a group of people with their own planet and way of life and master-apprentice hierarchy and legends and training systems and ceremonies and examinations.

Personally, i would like the keyblade to still have quite a few mysteries.

There are mysteries. Why can Sora use it, even though he never went though the rite of passage ceremony? Where does the Keyblade come from? How is the Keyblade connected to Kingdom Hearts?

Or are you saying, you don't ever want mysteries to be solved cause you like them vague?

Nomura directed it. Which means I have two examples [possibly three] of Nomura making shit sequels.

To be fair, Nomura didn't write the original FFVII (he was only a character designer), so I don't think it's quite the same.

So congratulations, I demote you to the same league as Alister Rose, in which you hardly make good debates for me to bother reading. But at least you're a smidge above her.

lol

you're talking about organization 13,

which their somebodies are qualified to wield a keyblade, but other circumstances nomura mentioned go against how sora obtained one, so it's not like all of them are necessary.

Is this what you mean? (I really don't understand you sometimes)

You mean Organisation 13? Their somebodies were qualified to wield a Keyblade. But Nomura mentioned other circumstances that are required to wield. However, Sora goes against these, so evidently they aren't all necessary.

....Aaaand it still doesn't make any sense.

First of all, how do you know they were qualified to wield? With Kairi and Riku, Aqua and Terra sensed something (light, I think) inside them when they saw them as children. We haven't seen a Keyblade master look at any of the original somebodies and say they sensed the same thing, have we? So you can't just make statements like that.

Second of all... I don't even understand what you're trying to argue. The somebodies of Org 13 were qualified, you say, and Sora bypassed the rules Nomura mentions so those aren't important, you say... so... why can't they wield?

in kh1 sora was the only who can save the words, now he isn't.

Sora and Mickey, you mean. And... HE STILL IS. Why do you think Mickey needed to send him a letter?

Sora has a higher purpose too, not in the same sense as sora, but you get it.

....No, I really don't get it. Wait, you mean Riku.

The whole point of that statement was that Riku had been GIVEN his ability. Sora just had it. Don't use some weirdly phrased sentence that means nothing to step around the fact that you haven't got a point.

Exactly. That's my point. It creates a plot hole. It's not the biggest plot hole, but it's definitely there as of now.

I don't think it's a plot hole if it's left open ended. There's a huge chance we will get more answers about this seeing as Erauqs was mentioend in the secret ending
 
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The PoH can always return in a later KH game, who knows. There are still so many mysteries remaining i have not a clue where to start theorizing. I wish I understood more about Sora, and how he just got the keyblade.

Was it because at the beginning of KH, as the island was getting sucked into darkness, Riku was the one the was supposed to save it, but he chose darkness, so the keyblade went to the next strongest heart, Sora. Is that what happened? Do we know?

Also, is it true that the reason Sora must save everyone because he is the only one who can connect his heart to ANYbody. Or was he simply chosen by a higher power for this task of re-connecting? Or is it because tecnically ven/xion/roxas need to be saved by Sora. The other ones maybe anybody can go and rescue, yet it falls on Sora's shoulders.

Does Mickey KNOW (possibly from yen-sid) that the only one who can do all this, the true chosen one, is Sora?
 

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Alright, i think i can provide some insight into this "Keyblade Problem," as i've deemed it...
First, THE keyblade (From the heart of the realm of light) Is Sora's. Riku still received the keyblade from terra's "Blessing," but it was the keyblade that resided in HIS heart. Mickey's original keyblade (star seeker) was given to Yen Sid at some point, i guess, but he got the keyblade from the heart of the realm of darkness... In my mind, EVERYONE has a keyblade resting within them, and in my mind, Sora's TRUE keyblade is still waiting for him to draw it forth. It says on some KH wiki that he inherited the ability to wield TWO keyblades from... Ven, i think it was... not his clothes. The aforementioned "True Key" can also be said for Kairi, seeing as how Riku GAVE her one he had found. Now, Theory: When riku was in the RoD, he bumped into Aqua, who recognized him and gave him Destiny's Embrace, Which then found it's way into Kairi's hands in KH2. Mickey's, Sora's, and Riku-Terranort-Heartless's Keyblades are unique. No one else's is special apart from that it's THEIRS.

All of this is personal speculation...
 

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Alright, i think i can provide some insight into this "Keyblade Problem," as i've deemed it...
First, THE keyblade (From the heart of the realm of light) Is Sora's. Riku still received the keyblade from terra's "Blessing," but it was the keyblade that resided in HIS heart. Mickey's original keyblade (star seeker) was given to Yen Sid at some point, i guess, but he got the keyblade from the heart of the realm of darkness... In my mind, EVERYONE has a keyblade resting within them, and in my mind, Sora's TRUE keyblade is still waiting for him to draw it forth. It says on some KH wiki that he inherited the ability to wield TWO keyblades from... Ven, i think it was... not his clothes. The aforementioned "True Key" can also be said for Kairi, seeing as how Riku GAVE her one he had found. Now, Theory: When riku was in the RoD, he bumped into Aqua, who recognized him and gave him Destiny's Embrace, Which then found it's way into Kairi's hands in KH2. Mickey's, Sora's, and Riku-Terranort-Heartless's Keyblades are unique. No one else's is special apart from that it's THEIRS.

All of this is personal speculation...

Wow, way to bump a really old thread.
 
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