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My least favorite character, and what I like and dislike about this certain individual



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if you want to understand my point of view on aqua then read This

Aqua... is a character I don’t hate but I also don’t love, I’m just not a big fan of her, i don’t approve of her popularity because her character is just bland, she’s definitely not a bad character but she is a mediocre at best, Aqua being a Female and the fact that she is associated with the color blue (most likely the most favored color in the world) is probably all that she has, which in my opinion is what makes her popular, but as a character she is less interesting then most of the main characters, all she is, is a strong female character and her main color is blue, Like are you for real Nomura? Blue hair, blue eyes, blue clothing, blue armor, blue wayfinder, blue keyblade, blue glider, Blue station of awakening, Like OKAY Nomura I get it you’re trying to shove her down my throat cause I too love the color blue but seriously stop... nothing really is interesting about her, I get that fans can like her and nothing wrong with that, just like me liking Laraxene (she is a great villain) But why overrate her? Heck even Nomura in one of his old interviews was worried that aqua wouldn’t be popular enough cause she is new and isn’t connected to the lore as much as ventus and terra, but look at her now... she’s in the top and I just don’t get it... is it the fact that she is a girl? Or is it that her color is blue? Or cause she is strong and can handle her own in a fight? There is just nothing sparkling about her, there’s just no real reasons to put her above many awesome characters, sadly all I see is that people will try to make dumb excuses for her, claiming there are many reasons why she is An amazing character, but guess what? none of those reasons are enough for her to top the other characters, honestly I would have liked to see why many say aqua is an amazing character, I was looking forward to seeing their reasons, but none of the reasons they brought Is Good enough in fact it’s weak.

Either way Here are the reasons why they say aqua is the best character (which I will debunk now)

“Reason Number 1”. Because She is selfless

Well guess what? Pretty much most of the KH characters are selfless
1. Sora (sacrifices himself for his friends)
2. Ventus (scarified himself for terra and aqua)
3. Terra (willing to sacrifice himself for his friends)
4. Xion (kills herself so everyone can be happy)
5. Kairi (is willing to do anything to protect those that she holds dear)
6. Riku (pretty much his whole journey, he was selfless for the sake of the people he cares about)
7. Namine (sacrificed her own happiness just for Sora and his friends can be happy)

“Reason Number 2”. Because she didn’t stray from the Good path

Well ofc she won’t stray from her path wanna know why?
1. In bbs Eraqus wasn’t a jerk to her like he was to terra and ventus, he trusted her (unlike terra) and didn’t lock her in the land of departure (like ventus) and most importantly he didn’t fear her like he did with terra (darkness) and ventus (the X-Blade)

2. She didn’t have Xehanort on her tail like terra and ventus did, she wasn’t part of xehanort plan so he decided to let her roam free, basically she didn’t stray from her path like her friends cause she didn’t have the main antagonist on her trail...

3. Her Fans say she never stray from the Good path and never weavers? But looks like she did both... Aqua trust in terra weavers (believes an old witch rather then her best friend) and when she fell into darkness she gave up numerous times ( not really a bad things I actually like those flaws of her) so technically means she strayed from the Good path, her trust in her allies weakened and in the realm of darkness she gave up and was willing to accept darkness and fades away and eventually become tainted with darkness (Anti Aqua) just like terra and ventus, so what is that about her not straying from her path again? In bbs she was the only lucky one not to be targeted by xehanort, but whenever she comes in contact with darkness she is the first one to give up, oh and did I mention the possibility that aqua was ready to slaughter lady tremaine and her daughters just cause she sensed darkness in them? Looks like someone blinded by the light just like her master👏

“Reason Number 3”. She clean the boys mess

That’s really a stupid and weak reason, I cannot help but facepalm myself 10 times, can you please tell me when did aqua clean up after her friends? She always visits the worlds last so ofc the timing was perfect for her to save the day, just like how terra was unlucky to always ran into the villains first because most of the time he visits the worlds before ventus and aqua, and mind I ask what major thing did Aqua do to clean after her friends? How about we list them and find out? Shall we? Yes we shall!

1, Castle of dreams.
the boys didn’t do anything for aqua to clean up their mess, she just came in and helped the Disney characters like what her friends did

2. Enchanted dominion
The only one that cleaned up his friend mess was ventus, cleaned up terra’s mess when he saved Aurora’s heart, after that ven didn’t do anything for aqua to clean up after him he just left to the next world

3. Dwarf woodland.
ventus cleaned up after terra when he saved Snow White and took her to a shelter, ofc ventus left a mess behind when he gave the queen the poison apple back, the only thing aqua did was tell the prince of Snow White whereabouts, don’t know if that even counts as cleaning after her ventus cause the prince might have found Snow White eventually when he went to look for her, but anyway this world is the closest thing of her cleaning after Ventus

4. Hollow bastion
Ventus cleaned Aqua’s Mess here,
after the harsh words Aqua gave to terra, it made terra lose his trust in everyone except Master xehanort, that’s when ventus came in (after terra fight with brain) and told him that he still trusts him, which help boosted terra confidence in his friends again, ventus is the one trying to keep all three of them together not Aqua

5. Disney town
Nothing to say here again

6. Olympus
Nothing happened here

7. Deep space
I guess terra freeing jumba can count as a mess so aqua cleaned terra’s mess this time,

8. Neverland
Terra getting tricked by hook was a big mess but he solved it himself this time by saving tinker bell and the lost kids, he didn’t let anyone clean after him this time, same with ven he didn’t leave a mess behind for aqua to leave

9. Keyblade graveyard
All three of them played big part here but ventus preventing the completion of the most powerful weapon the X-Blade, and cause of that he saved his friends, the X-blade aqua and ventus clashed against was incomplete one that’s why they stood a chance, plus ventus aiding aqua from the inside is what gave her the win

So you see it’s ventus who mostly clean after his friends and the one who keeps them together not Aqua

there is just no Good reason that puts her above the other characters other then her being Ahem A strong Female, that’s mostly why she is popular, she has nothing going on for her other then i want to be with my friends, the only time the story focused around her was the sequel a fragmentary passage 2.0, it’s plain and simple Aqua is just an overrated bland character and mediocre at best,

That’s my point of view on her, I might sounded a bit aggressive with this essay but I still don’t hate Aqua she is in the middle for me, A decent or better say Good character, but that’s all.
Sorry for drawing you back. You can just skip all of this if you've had enough.
But hey, isn't the real purpose of these threads to learning to understand the new points of view? ;) So it's more than fine to stand up for what you believe in.
In Dwarf Woodland and Enchanted Domionion Ven does the take first big steps to make things right. But the thing is that he leaves things unfinished, partly for unawareness. Still, Aqua is the one who finishes things in both worlds.

I do get what you say how Aqua's "character is just bland". But that's still the last word I would use about her. I look at her virtues from a completely different perspective, and that's why they are the main reason why I like her. Besides her strength, she's humble, doesn't make a big deal of herself, but always puts other's needs before hers. She doesn't have Xehanort on her back, because he saw Aqua's too balanced to be converted.


These are the kind features though, that are often overlooked in real life. Because they are often interpreted as signs of weakness, or as obvious things that everybody possesses. Despite the fact that few people actually do for real. So I love it how most of the fans of the game can appreciate her. Even when it does partly come from the simple fact that she was the 1st strong female hero of the series.

And no, my statement isn't that Aqua is "the only good one in the middle of darkness". Her friends have most of their strengths as well. But in BBS I sometimes get the feeling that especially Ven values Terra far more than her. They both do care about her, but take her a bit for granted every now and then. And she doesn't even seem to mind that much. She does give in eventually in the Realm of Darkness. But that happens after spending more than a decade there all alone, when she defends Ansem the Wise despite having no weapon. After that, she ends up into situation where things are beyond her control. Like how they've mostly been for a long time.

Yes, there was that short moment in Enchanted Dominion when she doubts Terra. But I feel you forget two things: 1. Her *last* words to Maleficent about that subject were "Terra would never do anything to help you! Stop Lying!" 2. Maleficent didn't completely lie. She did leave out essential parts of the story to demonize Terra even further. But Maleficent still did manage to take control of him because he did have darkness inside. And even when Aqua's words were badly placed in Hollow Bastion, there was still justified concern behind them. And it also shows a lot of character that you dare to tell your friend the truth even when they don't like it. That proves his/her well-being means more to you than what they think of you personally. +Terra knows himself that he has messed up twice already. So I say it was a bit hypocrite to get so mad, when he's told that he should be more careful.

ps. Sorry for using the word 'but' so often... 😁 I'm trying to point out that I do see trough both sides of the coin.
 

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Sorry for drawing you back. You can just skip all of this if you've had enough.
But hey, isn't the real purpose of these threads to learning to understand the new points of view? ;) So it's more than fine to stand up for what you believe in.
In Dwarf Woodland and Enchanted Domionion Ven does the take first big steps to make things right. But the thing is that he leaves things unfinished, partly for unawareness. Still, Aqua is the one who finishes things in both worlds.

I do get what you say how Aqua's "character is just bland". But that's still the last word I would use about her. I look at her virtues from a completely different perspective, and that's why they are the main reason why I like her. Besides her strength, she's humble, doesn't make a big deal of herself, but always puts other's needs before hers. She doesn't have Xehanort on her back, because he saw Aqua's too balanced to be converted.


These are the kind features though, that are often overlooked in real life. Because they are often interpreted as signs of weakness, or as obvious things that everybody possesses. Despite the fact that few people actually do for real. So I love it how most of the fans of the game can appreciate her. Even when it does partly come from the simple fact that she was the 1st strong female hero of the series.

And no, my statement isn't that Aqua is "the only good one in the middle of darkness". Her friends have most of their strengths as well. But in BBS I sometimes get the feeling that especially Ven values Terra far more than her. They both do care about her, but take her a bit for granted every now and then. And she doesn't even seem to mind that much. She does give in eventually in the Realm of Darkness. But that happens after spending more than a decade there all alone, when she defends Ansem the Wise despite having no weapon. After that, she ends up into situation where things are beyond her control. Like how they've mostly been for a long time.

Yes, there was that short moment in Enchanted Dominion when she doubts Terra. But I feel you forget two things: 1. Her *last* words to Maleficent about that subject were "Terra would never do anything to help you! Stop Lying!" 2. Maleficent didn't completely lie. She did leave out essential parts of the story to demonize Terra even further. But Maleficent still did manage to take control of him because he did have darkness inside. And even when Aqua's words were badly placed in Hollow Bastion, there was still justified concern behind them. And it also shows a lot of character that you dare to tell your friend the truth even when they don't like it. That proves his/her well-being means more to you than what they think of you personally. +Terra knows himself that he has messed up twice already. So I say it was a bit hypocrite to get so mad, when he's told that he should be more careful.

ps. Sorry for using the word 'but' so often... 😁 I'm trying to point out that I do see trough both sides of the coin.
I’m happy you say what on your mind but I respectfully disagree

1. Ven didn’t leave anything unfinished in each world he fulfilled his job, one saving aurora’s heart, and saved Snow White and took her to a shelter, he isn’t obliged to do anything more he didn’t watch the Disney movies to know if there is more lol, plus like I said aqua always magically arrives in the worlds last to save the day Cause the events of what’s happening when she arrives are (the end of the movie) in her favor,

2. also no the purpose of the thread I made was for people to see to know why I think aqua is bland overrated and mediocre at best 😅 but guess to each their own

3. Xehanort didn’t target Aqua cause she was balanced, but cause she has no role, Xehanort needed two things a vessel and the X blade, and that’s two things, I never seen someone actually think xehanort didn’t go after her cause she balanced, she isn’t, the only one who is balanced and won’t weaver is riku after conquering his darkness ofc

4. Aqua still doubted her friend and believed in an old witch lie, if you listen to a bad rumors of someone you care about will you quickly come to conclusions that they are bad? Aqua may have said that cause she cared for him and terra getting angry quick might be overboard of him, but you have to consider that it wasn’t just aqua but his master (whom he trusted) also doubted him, imagine your master (who gave you a second chance after he failed you because his bias towards the darkness) who is also your father figure, does not trust you, and sends one of his other students to spy on you, I agree with one of the previous Comments saying that Ven called her out because of the nonsense she spouting, she acted like a master scolding a student instead of acting like a friend here’s the quote

“Aqua Now that you become a master you let it go to your head”

the Japanese version makes it much clearer then the dub, that aqua have crossed the line

5. All three of them suffered, not just aqua

Terra possessed, lost his body and was split to many entities, and two of those entities are bringing chaos to the world for the past 10 years while the third entity lingering will is full of rage and attacks anyone he sees as xehanort and pretty much an empty husk filled with rage

ventus was possessed by vanitas, later killed himself in order to defeats vanitas for his friends, didn’t even know he will survive, lost his body and can’t move

Aqua sacrificed herself for her friend, got stuck in the RoD and let fighting heartless 24/7, but the reason I find her fate the least tragic is cause unlike her friends at least she can move and has her keyblade to defend herself, plus the 10 years went fast like couple of month or maybe a year for her, ofc still tragic fate as much as her friends but I would choose her fate if I was forced to pick any of the three cause I would still have my body and the keyblade

pretty much all three of them didn’t Feel the passage of time except maybe terra since one of nomura’s interviews he said terra kept fighting xehanort for control for 10 years

Even tho they all had bad fates tbh but I believe terra had the worst, as for who had the second fate I don’t know can’t pick between aqua and ven, aqua might be the obvious choice, but there is also the fact that ventus was from the age of fairy tail so most likely his tragic fate didn’t start in bbs meaning he could have the most tragic fate.

overall this is my opinion😉 you’re free to disagree.

edit: in case people don’t misunderstood this topic then know I’m not saying Aqua is a bad character, I said many times that she is A Good character, a mediocre at best, and she can even be your favorite character I’m not saying she shouldn’t, what I’m saying her popularity is over exaggerated, kairi is more interesting imo, all she lack is the screen time and Hayden to return ofc lol (still love your performance Alyson) but as for Aqua AGAIN she is an awesome Character, if she was your favorite character then I can understand that like I said (in my first comment) there are stuff I like about aqua that makes her likeable, and I said before aqua can reach my top 10 favorites but she won’t touch my top 5 cause she didn’t interest me as much, but here is why I opened this topic cause I’m tired of fans shoving aqua into my face, they talk about her 24/7, it’s like ventus and terra don’t exist, heck the only one they cared about saving is aqua back in 2015, plus aqua seems to reach top 3 a lot in polls as one of the best KH characters, Lol I honestly don’t know what to say, in fact in term of interesting characters in Kh (mostly the girls) who are interesting in my opinion are mostly

Master Ava
Skuld
Kairi (not big fan of her soft self in kh3 yet)
Strilitzia
Laraxene

All the kh girls are interesting ofc but adventuring as one of the girls I listed would have been much better, and I would agree to why they are popular cause they have an amazing character, design wise, personality wise, unique look

i won’t deny Aqua has a unique design and fighting stance and keyblade etc, but just cause I love the color blue doesn’t mean you have to make the character covered in blue from head to toe just to lure anybody who loves this color, the color blue is probably the most liked color in the world... I bet Aqua’s Room (In land of departure) is Blue as well🤦‍♂️jeez

again this is not a hate rant towards the character Aqua, she is a likeable character like I said, my topic is mostly towards those who worship her and regards her as one of the best Kh character ever created when in reality she is not you’re just Exaggerating her because she is a female character.

Like I said (for the hundred time) she is not a bad character, but An awesome character, but if I rank her in popularity among the best characters then she is just a mediocre At best.

I don’t want to repeat myself if you still disagree then I’m ok with that everyone has an opinion, my answer will be the same as I have written in this topic and (repeated many time already)

moral of the topic don’t like a character cause of their gender because that is just stupid and weird overall

that’s all I have to say about Aqua Got Nothing else, cause I pretty much said everything that I Have.

“Thank you for for reading”
 
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I think this makes my point clear

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She is soo popular solely for her gender, which what makes her character overall weak cause people don’t look at her other then that She is just a strong kind female, they mostly look at her gender. Terra Ventus Aqua the three of them imo deserve to be equally popular, but both Ven and terra were overshadowed by someone who doesn’t have the better character but because she has the gender advantages to lure people (mostly boys) just because she is a strong Girl!

i don’t worship every female character blindly, but I still don’t get the boys in general, I’m a boy yet I don’t overate or lose my mind when I see any girl... what I like about the character is not their gender but their personality and overall story,
Aqua did have both story (mostly on final and secret ep and 0.2) and personality, enough reason to like her character and think she deserve her own game but... people managed to make her gender is the main reason why she is A good character,

I know I already made my point but I saw this little interesting comment (I saw a lot actually) and had to post it to make my point clear for many people, Aqua shouldn’t be as popular as she is now, considered by everyone (mostly her fanboys) in bbs as the best character in that game when she is the most bland one in that group honestly, I can understand why she is popular cause I listed many reasons why she can be likable but for her to be at the top of birth by sleep characters is simply pathetic since it’s just fanboys overeat a character simply for her gender when she is mediocre at best, that’s my opinion on Aqua, she is a great character but people should stop overrating someone solely of their gender,

if Roxas was popular because of the same reason (with girls overhyping him) then I would have called him out on it, but Roxas simply hasReally Great character unlike aqua who shouldn’t be anywhere near the top, but I Guess being a female and covering her 90% of the color blue is all people need to see her as the best character.

that’s all, thank you for reading^^
 

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I was considering writing about Terra, but then when I thought about his character arc, it did make sense on paper and was explained in detail in BBS. Sure I dislike him for feeling generic and ridiculously naive, but I don't think he defiled the series or anything.

Master Xehanort, on the other hand, is the character I have chosen as my least favorite. Here are some things I like about him: he is voice acted in glorious hamminess (it's a sight to behold), he looks and acts so evil that I find him hilarious (I guess I'm easy to please), and in BBS he was an entertaining antagonist. I enjoyed his slow corruption of Terra, I enjoyed learning about his backstory in BBS, and I very much enjoyed seeing him become apprentice Xehanort. I really liked his role in the story and how his actions affected KH1, CoM, 358/2 Days, and KH2 through Apprentice Xehanort, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas. I thought it was a clever way to tie all the Xehanorts from the older games together, and I thought that was the end of Xehanort and it was all over and the series would go to new places. I also liked that after possessed Terra and Aqua together dealt Xehanort such a blow that his power and villainy were curtailed as Apprentice Xehanort, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas. It showed Xehanort was not the ultimate power in Kingdom Hearts, and even he had his limits, and he underestimated the willpower and strength of Terra and Aqua, and payed for it. On top of that, due to their actions, they had weakened Xehanort enough to ultimately save the worlds once Sora came along, which made their actions meaningful.

However, things didn't go so well with Xehanort in the series for me after BBS. I thought MX, AX, ASoD, and Xemnas were the perfect number of Xehanort incarnations. Once DDD came out and it was revealed that not only MX, ASoD, and Xemnas were back, but a time traveling Young Xehanort and about 11 other Xehanorts were added into the series, and my interest in the series dropped dramatically and it took UX and KH3 to win me back. I think adding so many Xehanorts to the series was completely unnecessary, as was reviving dead Xehanorts.

And with the plot revealing he planned all of this, I couldn't think of him as a good villain anymore. He just feels cheap now. A very cheap character like Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3. He carries all the cards and is always there to thwart the protagonists no matter what. He has limitless power and planning skills I can't believe. On top of that, it turned out he became evil not due to exposure to gradual corruption by darkness, but because he was compelled to corrupt himself by visiting his corrupted self from the future. It feels cheap, and I consider Master Xehanort (post-BBS) to be the character I dislike the most in the entire series. I was really sad to see him layer gambit upon gambit upon gambit.
 

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I was considering writing about Terra, but then when I thought about his character arc, it did make sense on paper and was explained in detail in BBS. Sure I dislike him for feeling generic and ridiculously naive, but I don't think he defiled the series or anything.

Master Xehanort, on the other hand, is the character I have chosen as my least favorite. Here are some things I like about him: he is voice acted in glorious hamminess (it's a sight to behold), he looks and acts so evil that I find him hilarious (I guess I'm easy to please), and in BBS he was an entertaining antagonist. I enjoyed his slow corruption of Terra, I enjoyed learning about his backstory in BBS, and I very much enjoyed seeing him become apprentice Xehanort. I really liked his role in the story and how his actions affected KH1, CoM, 358/2 Days, and KH2 through Apprentice Xehanort, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas. I thought it was a clever way to tie all the Xehanorts from the older games together, and I thought that was the end of Xehanort and it was all over and the series would go to new places. I also liked that after possessed Terra and Aqua together dealt Xehanort such a blow that his power and villainy were curtailed as Apprentice Xehanort, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas. It showed Xehanort was not the ultimate power in Kingdom Hearts, and even he had his limits, and he underestimated the willpower and strength of Terra and Aqua, and payed for it. On top of that, due to their actions, they had weakened Xehanort enough to ultimately save the worlds once Sora came along, which made their actions meaningful.

However, things didn't go so well with Xehanort in the series for me after BBS. I thought MX, AX, ASoD, and Xemnas were the perfect number of Xehanort incarnations. Once DDD came out and it was revealed that not only MX, ASoD, and Xemnas were back, but a time traveling Young Xehanort and about 11 other Xehanorts were added into the series, and my interest in the series dropped dramatically and it took UX and KH3 to win me back. I think adding so many Xehanorts to the series was completely unnecessary, as was reviving dead Xehanorts.

And with the plot revealing he planned all of this, I couldn't think of him as a good villain anymore. He just feels cheap now. A very cheap character like Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3. He carries all the cards and is always there to thwart the protagonists no matter what. He has limitless power and planning skills I can't believe. On top of that, it turned out he became evil not due to exposure to gradual corruption by darkness, but because he was compelled to corrupt himself by visiting his corrupted self from the future. It feels cheap, and I consider Master Xehanort (post-BBS) to be the character I dislike the most in the entire series. I was really sad to see him layer gambit upon gambit upon gambit.
Xehanort for me is more interesting then Aqua, until they ruined him in kh3, he wasn’t completely ruined but they kept changing his Goals.
 

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For me Xehanort was ruined in DDD and yes, he's my least favorite character. I loved him in BBS, but then DDD happened and went on to say that everything that had ever happened in the series was within Xehanort's plans and like. No.

Xemnas and Ansem SoD were interesting without it turning out they were secretly acting together to fulfill Xehanort's plans.
 

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“Overall guys”
point of this topic wasn’t to diss aqua, but mainly to point out her flaws to everyone and that she is a mediocre character at best, not really trying to ruin her popularity, cause I’m aware “once an overrated character will always be an overrated character” cough Hinata Hyuga from Naruto Cough, I mean all that waifu stuff and best girl in the series cliche... is common, female characters being popular solely for their gender instead of their character is not uncommon nowadays unfortunately,

that’s why I opened this topic, to say to The video game community fans that they are overrating yet another female character cause of her gender, which in my opinion ruins the character. Honestly
this thread here says it better then I am
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Here’s the full link for this thread and it explains my point of view (better then i did) on why aqua is just an ok mediocre character at best

That’s all, who ever saw this topic thank you for your time.
 

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If Aqua had been a male character, she would still be popular. To be completely serious, I can't help but wonder why the base dismissal of characters' popularity because of what they are seems to only ever happen to "diverse" members of a cast (female characters, minority characters, etc.). I never hear something like "Axel is only popular because he's a male character." Because, lbr, Axel's writing as a character is ass and has been all over the place. He feels like three different characters: the Axel from CoM, the Axel from KH2, then the Axel from Days-onwards. Can you imagine in any world where a female character who constantly yelled "Got it memorized?" would be thought of as popular rather than annoying af, unless she was in some fanservice outfit with her tits out like Cidney in FFXV? Even his Keyblade is just as ugly as Kairi's flowerblade from KH2. For another example, why is Ventus not hated for being "unnecessary," something that detracts from Roxas' individuality as a character, the way Xion is hated for being a fanfic-y 14th member addition?

Maybe it's because I had the Steven Universe thread open at the same time, but I just had the thought to explain that in some ways, I see Aqua as sort of like a less extreme version of the Pearl character in that series as far as a strict adherence to rules. I think I compared Aqua the same way to Hermione earlier in this thread, too, lol. Both those characters are very popular in their own fandoms as well and I don't think it's just their sex that's the reason. Pearl is in a series that's predominately female characters, so the fact that she's one of the most popular means they like her character for her character (strait-laced, controlled, reserved, dedicated, a dash of unintentional arrogance, etc.), not her sex.
 
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If Aqua had been a male character, she would still be popular. To be completely serious, I can't help but wonder why the base dismissal of characters' popularity because of what they are seems to only ever happen to "diverse" members of a cast (female characters, minority characters, etc.). I never hear something like "Axel is only popular because he's a male character." Because, lbr, Axel's writing as a character is ass and has been all over the place. He feels like three different characters: the Axel from CoM, the Axel from KH2, then the Axel from Days-onwards. Can you imagine in any world where a female character who constantly yelled "Got it memorized?" would be thought of as popular rather than annoying af, unless she was in some fanservice outfit with her tits out like Cidney in FFXV? Even his Keyblade is just as ugly as Kairi's flowerblade from KH2. For another example, why is Ventus not hated for being "unnecessary," something that detracts from Roxas' individuality as a character, the way Xion is hated for being a fanfic-y 14th member addition?

Maybe it's because I had the Steven Universe thread open at the same time, but I just had the thought to explain that in some ways, I see Aqua as sort of like a less extreme version of the Pearl character in that series as far as a strict adherence to rules. I think I compared Aqua the same way to Hermione earlier in this thread, too, lol. Both those characters are very popular, too, and I don't think it's just their sex that's the reason. Pearl is in a series that's predominately female characters, so the fact that she's one of the most popular means they like her character for her character, not her sex.
Tartarus my friend I swear this topic doesn’t have your name on it nor is it specifically targeted just for you, so for my sake don’t get annoyed every time I say something about aqua, also no if aqua was a male she won’t be this popular, her character reminds me of riku so she will be close to riku but less edgy and more polite and mr perfect, she will be 50% popular and also cause male aqua is covered in the color blue this color is enough to make anyone stand out, but if he was both girl and covered in blue color then 100% popularity 2 birds with one stone lol,
tbh
I like kairi
I like namine
I like Xion
I like Ava
I like Skuld
I like laraxene
I like ollete

So why I don’t think of aqua as much? cause she is shoved down my throat as best girl best WiFu best character ever written and a strong female character who don’t need help (tbh I lost count of how many times we saved her) and most of all she is kind and selfless and always puts her friends before herself (literally all the kh characters in a nutshell) so yea aqua is always shoved to my face as the best character ever written when in reality she is just a decent mediocre character who has no business being in the top 5 in the most popular characters in kingdom hearts.
 
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Like what I said I’m not attacking aqua my friend just saying her popularity isn’t cause of her character but only cause she is a strong female character

Here’s why
Sora riku kairi, Ventus Terra, Axel, Xion all are kind selfless have strong heart and put their friends before themselves, so what does aqua have? Cause she is pretty much share the same traits as those characters i listed, all she has left is the fact that she is a strong female character who is covered in the color blue, the color that 90% of the human race likes, as for her character she is ok a good decent main character but that’s all nothing really make her stick out as a character, she deserves to be popular, but saying she is one of the most well written and popular characters in kingdom hearts and being listed in the top 5 in KH poll most popular kingdom hearts characters, then that is bs, cause other then being a female she is average and just ok, she sits in the middle for being awesome but definitely not the best.
 

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No offense, but I was not annoyed. I just decided to reply since this topic's been revived for like the twentieth time, I figured you must really want to talk about it. My response was serious, you could've just responded to it seriously instead of going personal. And, yes, Aqua would still be popular if she was a male character, jmo. That she's in the top 5 characters isn't surprising, since she's the only character of her type in KH. While Sora sacrifices a great deal just like Aqua, he doesn't follow rules or listen to authority figures very much (he's also kind of dumb); while being reserved, powerful, and carrying himself with authority like Aqua, Riku has the whole fall from grace at the beginning of the series; Ventus and Axel are exuberant, playful characters, not reserved (Axel also did some really evil stuff at one point); Xion is more passive and teary than Aqua; Terra is much more insecure than Aqua. Riku is probably the character most like her in the present, if you leave out his backstory. Both he and Aqua feel like real leaders. He's likewise one of the top 5 most popular characters, I'm guessing.
 
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No offense, but I was not annoyed. I just decided to reply since this topic's been revived for like the twentieth time, I figured you must really want to talk about it. My response was serious, you could've just responded to it seriously instead of going personal. And, yes, Aqua would still be popular if she was a male character, jmo.
Hmm well then My bad I thought you were annoyed since you’re an aqua fan, I figured you wouldn’t like this topic to go on but if I was wrong then my apology^^

1. I didn’t really want to talk about it much, I was planing on ending it once it reached 100 comments but since some commented I decided to drop one last comment number #107,

2. i was serious when I responded... that’s just the way I talk if you think I’m messing around then think what you will

3. Sorry but I don’t see it, aqua still wouldn’t be this popular if she was a guy, she would be popular indeed but if you remove the female part then her popularity will surely decrease, not by a lot but still it will decrease.

as for this topic I think I already said everything that I wanted to say👍
 

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I don't think Aqua's popularity has to do with her gender. Yeah, there's some weirdos who are like "BOOBS AND BUTTS, FAVORITE", but I, as an Aqua fan, love her character however bland it is. TAV is my favorite trio despite all their mistakes and screw ups. The game has huge problems, and yet I love them so much.

In my opinion, the reasons for Aqua's popularity is because:
  • Unlike many of the other trios, there is virtually no ship wars involved with them. Most critiques come from a character perspective completely unrelated to feelings overshadowed by ships, as evidenced by this thread. We can all look at her character and pick apart what we like and don't like and it's not because she's in the way of a ship. (Kairi, Xion, and sometimes even Namine unfortunately). There aren't a ton of fans that like only one of TAV and hate the other two. They definitely exist, but surprising a lot of people like them as a trio in totality.
  • Gameplay. Aqua, despite BbS gameplay setbacks, is fun to play. A glass canon with a lot of big flashy techniques. We all like to play a flashy wizard now and then, right? Or at least, I do. Also, the ballet fighting style? Stuff of dreams man, she's so cool. I squeaked in excitement when I saw her upgraded finisher in 0.2 like honestly makes me want to get back into ballet. (note, I haven't been in ballet since I was a wee child)
  • Screen time. Out of the TAV trio, Aqua has the most screen time within BbS and outside of BbS. Although BbS is technically evenly divided by our three heroes, Aqua comes out as the defacto main character, just like Riku is technically the main character of Dream Drop Distance. Many find her role through much of the game insignificant (or a popular critique, "She's just the cleanup crew"), Aqua technically ends up jump starting the rest of the series by not only saving Terranort, but leaving him in the perfect spot to become Ansem's apprentice. There's also a lot of emotional weight with her having to take down both of her best friends, lock one of them away in her destroyed home, and give up her freedom to keep the other from falling into darkness.

That sums up why I think she's popular. People who boil it down to, "It's cause she's a girl" are either disingenuous or purposely obtuse. Or maybe you guys are just hanging around the wrong crowd or only come across people who have the hots for her? I really don't know, but you are definitely associating with the wrong people in that case. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As for why I personally like her and why she's probably my fav of the TAV trio, well, she reminds me of me. My slightly younger self. I was a freshman in college when BbS came out. I was in a similar position as her. I had family members "turning to darkness" so to speak and was constantly struggling between being too honest, "What the hell are you doing I know you've been doing bad, what are you thinking?" but also just... not wanting to create conflict cause you know, I still love them and would hate to hurt them because I think they're making huge mistakes. How do you approach situations like that? Well, I didn't do what Aqua did. In fact, I did nothing at all and now I live in doubt wondering if I had said something would things have changed for the better (cause things definitely went bad for a long time)

All her efforts to try to make things right, to protect her friends in her own way, and in the end, deciding to give up everything to save them? I dunno. It touches me a lot. Like yeah they all screwed up, and fought each other, and ended up in a situation where she had to beat them into submission to save them, but no one can say she doesn't love her friends. She suffered in what was basically hell for more than a decade and never once blamed them (she blamed herself. And Mickey. Lol. Oof) She wanted to be with them again SO BAD, it really makes you root for her and their reunion. Their reunion scene in KH3 was gold. I'm so happy they took the time to at least have them hugging and crying on each other. It's so sweet in the DLC where Riku's all worried, but she's all smiley "I got my friends now so I'm ok. c:"

I've read (and RPed) so many fix it fics for BbS. Not "fix it" as in make everything happy and fluffy, but rearranging the events of BbS to flow better. Changing the dialogue to make more sense. Adding context where context is clearly missing/cut out. (as someone mentioned, Aqua never actually saw anything Terra did. Would it have killed them to let her witness and at least misunderstand what she was seeing so that the accusation later made more sense? It could still be a misunderstanding and wrongly accusation, but give her something to actually see gosh)

I think my fix-it reinterpretation was so right that a friend and I almost entirely predicted how her story would unfold in 0.2 and KH3 before either project was officially announced. (I mean, we had WAY more closure for our KH3 than KH3 could hope to have but it's whatever.) Even down to her negative thoughts and insecurities taking physical shape in the dark realm and eventually taking over for a while. I've taken this to mean, my reinterpretation was actually the intended interpretation, they just once again failed to properly represent what they're trying to do in game/plot leaving us to fill in gaps that may or may not actually be true. Which I guess Nomura said he wanted to happen at one point? Meh.

But anyway, I'm rambling. After glancing over this thread, the things I take away from it/want to say
  • Don't let weirdoes decide how to feel about certain characters. I would literally hate every single character and Kingdom Hearts if their fans had anything to do with it. It's a miracle that I don't hate any of the characters to be honest. (I do hate how some of them ended up being written -Xehanort-, but that's a different issue) At some point when it comes to fandom, any fandom, you gotta let dumb stuff roll off your shoulders or even say "screw canon" when canon is also being a little dumb.
  • Plenty of Aqua fans acknowledge that some Aqua fans are weirdoes. We also acknowledge she's made mistakes. Her mistakes are kind of her appeal for me, it's deeply personal as I mentioned before. What fun is writing angst, drama, and suffering if no mistakes are to be had? Mistakes is where all the juicy plot lives! At the end of the day, as long as characters learn from their mistakes it's all good (Which Aqua technically did, but... I wish the plot actually demonstrated it. Like, Aqua looking at Riku and thinking, "So darkness doesn't always end in tragedy." We didn't get anything except Aqua brushing everything off/never mentioning it)
  • We can all the agree, many parts of BbS just don't flow well, whether it's the dialogue, cut/changed content making some plot points make no sense. But, whether you like the game overall is completely subjective. Somehow, BbS is still my favorite KH game despite it all. It's not even a guilty pleasure, just a pleasure.
  • I didn't like Aqua's voice when I heard it for the very very first time in trailers ages ago. But somehow, it really grew on me. There are some weird line deliveries, but overall, I like Aqua's voice. Terra's voice also suits him, but the problem is almost all the line deliveries are bad.
 
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No offense, but I was not annoyed. I just decided to reply since this topic's been revived for like the twentieth time, I figured you must really want to talk about it. My response was serious, you could've just responded to it seriously instead of going personal. And, yes, Aqua would still be popular if she was a male character, jmo. That she's in the top 5 characters isn't surprising, since she's the only character of her type in KH. While Sora sacrifices a great deal just like Aqua, he doesn't follow rules or listen to authority figures very much (he's also kind of dumb); while being reserved, powerful, and carrying himself with authority like Aqua, Riku has the whole fall from grace at the beginning of the series; Ventus and Axel are exuberant, playful characters, not reserved (Axel also did some really evil stuff at one point); Xion is more passive and teary than Aqua; Terra is much more insecure than Aqua. Riku is probably the character most like her in the present, if you leave out his backstory. Both he and Aqua feel like real leaders. He's likewise one of the top 5 most popular characters, I'm guessing.
being in the top 5 doesn’t mean this or that character is great many overrated characters reach the top 5 it’s not surprising,

also you saying terra more insecure? His the only one had the guts to walk the dark side despite being betrayed by his friend and master, Aquagave up numerous times when she cane in contact with darkness heck she even wanted to kill lady tremaine andher daughters, she’s insecure when she is around darkness (then again I really like those flaws that made her human)

imo best characters in kingdom hearts
10. Terra
9. Aqua
8. Vanitas
7. Ventus
6. Xigbar
5. Xehanort (young and old and all his versions lol)
4. Kairi
3. Sora
2. Riku
1. Roxas

so you see aqua is still in the top 10, she also has the potential to be in top 5 when we see more of her character ofc, tbh she was number 10 for me but her file character is what made me reconsider moving her above terra, cause I liked her story, then again her and terra are tie for me I guess I like them both equally but I see them as great characters at best.
 

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being in the top 5 doesn’t mean this or that character is great
I know. It means they're popular. My top 5 KH characters are Riku, Aqua, Saix, Larxene, and Namine. Terra's insecurity was in reference to his not taking it well when he didn't become Keyblade Master. He spent the rest of the game acting needy, ready to listen to any character who might tell him he's really great to fill the void where he wanted Eraqus' approval to be.
 

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I don't think Aqua's popularity has to do with her gender. Yeah, there's some weirdos who are like "BOOBS AND BUTTS, FAVORITE", but I, as an Aqua fan, love her character however bland it is. TAV is my favorite trio despite all their mistakes and screw ups. The game has huge problems, and yet I love them so much.

In my opinion, the reasons for Aqua's popularity is because:
  • Unlike many of the other trios, there is virtually no ship wars involved with them. Most critiques come from a character perspective completely unrelated to feelings overshadowed by ships, as evidenced by this thread. We can all look at her character and pick apart what we like and don't like and it's not because she's in the way of a ship. (Kairi, Xion, and sometimes even Namine unfortunately). There aren't a ton of fans that like only one of TAV and hate the other two. They definitely exist, but surprising a lot of people like them as a trio in totality.
  • Gameplay. Aqua, despite BbS gameplay setbacks, is fun to play. A glass canon with a lot of big flashy techniques. We all like to play a flashy wizard now and then, right? Or at least, I do. Also, the ballet fighting style? Stuff of dreams man, she's so cool. I squeaked in excitement when I saw her upgraded finisher in 0.2 like honestly makes me want to get back into ballet. (note, I haven't been in ballet since I was a wee child)
  • Screen time. Out of the TAV trio, Aqua has the most screen time within BbS and outside of BbS. Although BbS is technically evenly divided by our three heroes, Aqua comes out as the defacto main character, just like Riku is technically the main character of Dream Drop Distance. Many find her role through much of the game insignificant (or a popular critique, "She's just the cleanup crew"), Aqua technically ends up jump starting the rest of the series by not only saving Terranort, but leaving him in the perfect spot to become Ansem's apprentice. There's also a lot of emotional weight with her having to take down both of her best friends, lock one of them away in her destroyed home, and give up her freedom to keep the other from falling into darkness.

That sums up why I think she's popular. People who boil it down to, "It's cause she's a girl" are either disingenuous or purposely obtuse. Or maybe you guys are just hanging around the wrong crowd or only come across people who have the hots for her? I really don't know, but you are definitely associating with the wrong people in that case. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As for why I personally like her and why she's probably my fav of the TAV trio, well, she reminds me of me. My slightly younger self. I was a freshman in college when BbS came out. I was in a similar position as her. I had family members "turning to darkness" so to speak and was constantly struggling between being too honest, "What the hell are you doing I know you've been doing bad, what are you thinking?" but also just... not wanting to create conflict cause you know, I still love them and would hate to hurt them because I think they're making huge mistakes. How do you approach situations like that? Well, I didn't do what Aqua did. In fact, I did nothing at all and now I live in doubt wondering if I had said something would things have changed for the better (cause things definitely went bad for a long time)

All her efforts to try to make things right, to protect her friends in her own way, and in the end, deciding to give up everything to save them? I dunno. It touches me a lot. Like yeah they all screwed up, and fought each other, and ended up in a situation where she had to beat them into submission to save them, but no one can say she doesn't love her friends. She suffered in what was basically hell for more than a decade and never once blamed them (she blamed herself. And Mickey. Lol. Oof) She wanted to be with them again SO BAD, it really makes you root for her and their reunion. Like, their reunion scene in KH3 was gold. I'm so happy they took the time to at least have them hugging and crying on each other. And it's so sweet in the DLC where Riku's all worried, but she's all smiley "I got my friends now so I'm ok. c:"

I've read (and RPed) so many fix it fics for BbS. Not "fix it" as in make everything happy and fluffy, but rearranging the events of BbS to flow better. Changing the dialogue to make more sense. Adding context where context is clearly missing/cut out. (as someone mentioned, Aqua never actually saw anything Terra did. Would it have killed them to let her witness and at least misunderstand what she was seeing so that the accusation later made more sense? It could still be a misunderstanding and wrongly accusation, but give her something to actually see gosh)

I think my fix-it reinterpretation was so right that a friend and I almost entirely predicted how her story would unfold in 0.2 and KH3 before either project was officially announced. (I mean, we had WAY more closure for KH3 than KH3 could hope to have but it's whatever.) Even down to her negative thoughts and insecurities taking physical shape in the dark realm like it did and eventually taking over for a short while. I've taken this to mean, my reinterpretation was actually the intended interpretation, they just once again failed to properly represent what they're trying to do in game/plot leaving us to fill in gaps that may or may not actually be true. Which I guess Nomura said he wanted to happen at one point? Meh.

But anyway, I'm rambling. After glancing over this thread, the things I take away from it/want to say
  • Don't let weirdoes decide how to feel about certain characters. I would literally hate every single character and Kingdom Hearts if their fans had anything to do with it. It's a miracle that I don't hate any of the characters to be honest. (I do hate how some of them ended up being written -Xehanort-, but that's a different issue) At some point when it comes to fandom, any fandom, you gotta let dumb stuff roll off your shoulders or even say "screw canon" when canon is also being a little dumb.
  • Plenty of Aqua fans acknowledge that some Aqua fans are weirdoes. We also acknowledge she's made mistakes. Her mistakes are kind of her appeal for me, it's deeply personal as I mentioned before. What fun is writing angst, drama, and suffering if no mistakes are to be had? Mistakes is where all the juicy plot lives! At the end of the day, as long as characters learn from their mistakes (Which Aqua technically did, but... I wish the plot actually demonstrated it. Like, Aqua looking at Riku and thinking, "So darkness doesn't always end in tragedy." We didn't get anything except Aqua brushing everything off/never mentioning it)
  • We can all the agree, many parts of BbS just don't flow well, whether it's the dialogue, cut/changed content making some plot points make no sense. But, whether you like the game overall is completely subjective. Somehow, BbS is still my favorite KH game despite it all. It's not even a guilty pleasure, just a pleasure.
  • I didn't like Aqua's voice when I heard it for the very very first time in trailers ages ago. But somehow, it really grew on me. There are some weird line deliveries, but overall, I like Aqua's voice. Terra's voice also suits him, but the problem is almsot all the line deliveries are bad.
Well I can reply to you but I already said too much plus I don’t want to keep repeating myself cause I written pretty much everything above, but either way I somewhat see your point and can somewhat agree? I don’t know but thank you for commenting and no don’t worry I don’t follow the hate wagon of who claim this character is terrible or not, first I see the character with my own eyes and then and only then I decide to talk about them and start a topic, but again I see where you’re coming from I don’t disagree much.
 
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I know. It means they're popular. My top 5 KH characters are Riku, Aqua, Saix, Larxene, and Namine. Terra's insecurity was in reference to his not taking it well when he didn't become Keyblade Master. He spent the rest of the game acting needy, ready to listen to any character who might tell him he's really great to fill the void where he wanted Eraqus' approval to be.
Being popular and being in the top 5 doesn’t always equal most well written character, but you already know that, And nice list btw, also for terra, you see that’s the problem, in fact terra showed no sign that he wouldn’t listen to anyone, in fact he will be obliged to ask for help, he did a lot of times asking others on how to conquer his darkness, it’s only when his father and best friend betrayed him that’s where terra started to doubt everyone and be insecure, remember we are talking about someone who had strong darkness in his heart, so when you betray him ofc he will be insecure the closest people to him started doubting him for stuff he didn’t do.
 
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Terra's insecurity started at the beginning of the game when he wasn't chosen for Keyblade Master, imo. Personally, I don't think Eraqus or Aqua betrayed him. Eraqus betrayed Ventus at one point though when he tried to kill him. Eraqus not making Terra a KM isn't a betrayal.

Also, kirabook is right that Aqua being fun to play as gameplay-wise is a big reason, too. Riku is also fun to play as, imo.
 

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If you're taking your talking points from the Amino app, I can say for certain you're hanging around the weirdoes and your opinions are being influenced by them. Amino is literally the worst place to find fellow fans and attracts the worst type of fans imo.
 

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Terra's insecurity started at the beginning of the game when he wasn't chosen for Keyblade Master, imo. Personally, I don't think Eraqus or Aqua betrayed him. Eraqus betrayed Ventus at one point though when he tried to kill him. Eraqus not making Terra a KM isn't a betrayal.

Also, kirabook is right that Aqua being fun to play as gameplay-wise is a big reason, too. Riku is also fun to play as, imo.
Eraqus did betray terra, he wronged him, he even admitted he might be the reason terra have darkness to begin with (even tho we don’t know the full story so not gonna talk about it) heck he told aqua to spy on him, being worried is ok but really he sent one of his students (aqua) imagine someone who is your equal and rival is tasked to look after you after you failed the test? Eraqus also told him this is his second chance to prove himself but all he did was fear terra wasn’t strong enough to conquer his own darkness, even aqua agreed that terra isn’t that weak to submit to darkness hence telling eraqus “his not as weak as you think” Eraqus meant well but to terra, terra felt that he failed his master and on top of it terra believe his master didn’t trust him much for this task.
 
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