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Just wanted to say I got the idea after reading Master Riku 789's theory. Also, if someone alreay made a post about this, I'm sorry for repeating it.

Okay, so after reading about the Keyblades having a mind of there own, it got me to thinking that maybe the new enemy's are formed when a Keyblade user is killed, so through that, the enemy is born. That could be why there are a lot of these enemies in BBS, because in the original KH 2 ending, it shows all the Keyblades in the ground, which could signify the dead Keyblade wielders. It could also make sense with the term "Birth by Sleep" where sleep signifies the death of the Keyblade wielder and the birth signifying the new enemies coming from the Keyblade.

This could also explain why there aren't any more of the enemies in Sora's time, because they were all defeated during the plot of BBS.

I hope this makes a little bit of sense. ^^;;
 

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yeeeeeeeeeeah, it sorta does, but i dont see how they could be much of a threat if theres that much of a limited amount. but that cant be what happens,because sora turned into a heartles in kh 1 when he "died," not one of those things.
 

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Just wanted to say I got the idea after reading Master Riku 789's theory. Also, if someone alreay made a post about this, I'm sorry for repeating it.

Okay, so after reading about the Keyblades having a mind of there own, it got me to thinking that maybe the new enemy's are formed when a Keyblade user is killed, so through that, the enemy is born. That could be why there are a lot of these enemies in BBS, because in the original KH 2 ending, it shows all the Keyblades in the ground, which could signify the dead Keyblade wielders. It could also make sense with the term "Birth by Sleep" where sleep signifies the death of the Keyblade wielder and the birth signifying the new enemies coming from the Keyblade.

This could also explain why there aren't any more of the enemies in Sora's time, because they were all defeated during the plot of BBS.

I hope this makes a little bit of sense. ^^;;

That would mean there was a whole lot of keybladers killed.
Lol.

...Though that would explain that field of keyblades.
Lol.

The only issue is how KH really handles death.
Like, we've only seen fullblown out death a few times (Scar, Barbossa)
The Order members either just faded away into darkness or became whole again pending the condition of their heartless.

I have trouble seeing death brought into the series.
>.>


I don't necessarily agree with the theory, but I can see where you're coming from.
 

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Yeah. There are flaws in my theory, but I'm glad it kinda makes sense. XD I see how the death think could be hard. Death never happens in KH.

And about the Sora thing, it is just me, but I don't really consider what happened to him death. I don't know why... Maybe just to help it theory, maybe something else. XD But again, I'm glad it makes sense. ^^
 
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I see what your trying to say. But that would mean alot of deaths in BBS. But more likely just keyblades not being used and was tossed in the waste land..............
 
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An interesting idea. Let's say MX creates the enemies by doing what he did to Ven- he uses that magic to, say, extract memories (which would also imply that Ven's memories are the key to KH) and somehow that enemy manifests from the memories, maybe through Castle Oblivion. Now, as we see with Ven, his keyblade breaks. It might be suggesting that, with the loss of memory, they lose the ability to wield the keyblade, so it becomes a normal weapon, which would also explain why MX is able to use so many. There is some ground in that, afterall, since Roxas lost the ability to wield the keyblade when he lost his memories.
 

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There is some ground in that, afterall, since Roxas lost the ability to wield the keyblade when he lost his memories.

Roxas didn't really lose the ability to wield it.
He just pretty much forgot all about it, so didn't have a reason to summon it.
 
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Roxas didn't really lose the ability to wield it.
He just pretty much forgot all about it, so didn't have a reason to summon it.

Then why did he have to go through a Dive into the Heart to regain the ability? Otherwise, he would have simply been able to wield it again once he remembered.
 

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Then why did he have to go through a Dive into the Heart to regain the ability? Otherwise, he would have simply been able to wield it again once he remembered.
He was able to use the digital keyblade prior to that.

And even after that, it took until fighting Axel to use Oblivion and Oathkeeper.

I frankly never saw much importance in Dive into the Heart

Babble babble.
Its too late for me.
xD
 

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Then why did he have to go through a Dive into the Heart to regain the ability? Otherwise, he would have simply been able to wield it again once he remembered.

I, personally, don't think he lost the ability to wield the keyblade... Just more forgot... DitH may have just been a refresher course, so to say...
 
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Because he didn't remember what it was then.
? That makes no sense.

Roxas still maintained the ability to wield the keyblade... Otherwise, he would not have been able to wield it on the first day...
That was the digital KK. It's quite obviously not a real KK, just one that DiZ implemented to make Roxas remember, I'd imagine. But there was more to it than remembering, ie Dive into the Heart.

I frankly never saw much importance in Dive into the Heart
Maybe you should think again. Dive into the Heart is the first time Roxas ACTUALLY uses the REAL KK again. How do I know this? The way it is summoned. During Dive into the Heart (and from the third day onward), Roxas summons the keyblade not digitally, but in the way that Sora does, with a flash of light. Check the cutscenes if you're unsure.
 

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? That makes no sense.

He didn't remember what it was, so why would he attempt to use it?


Maybe you should think again. Dive into the Heart is the first time Roxas ACTUALLY uses the REAL KK again. How do I know this? The way it is summoned. During Dive into the Heart (and from the third day onward), Roxas summons the keyblade not digitally, but in the way that Sora does, with a flash of light. Check the cutscenes if you're unsure.

Oh. True. But I still don't feel that Roxas ever lost the ability.
>.>
 
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He didn't remember what it was, so why would he attempt to use it?
Awkward phrasing. But, anyway, that doesn't prove anything. He wouldn't try to use it, regardless of whether or not he had the ability to. Dive into the Heart gave him the ability, implying that he regained it (so he not only lost memory of it, he lost the ability).


Oh. True. But I still don't feel that Roxas ever lost the ability.
>.>
And originally you 'knew' he didn't lose it. Since you only think that, this theory is still valid.

It does, and I'll explain it.

He didn't remember who he really was, up until a little before he rejoins with Sora. That means he wouldn't remember how to wield it.

I feel like a hamster on a wheel.
 

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That was the digital KK. It's quite obviously not a real KK, just one that DiZ implemented to make Roxas remember, I'd imagine. But there was more to it than remembering, ie Dive into the Heart.

I know that... Which is why I put "disregard this post" until I fixed it... Kinda typed before thinking there... <_<
 

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And originally you 'knew' he didn't lose it. Since you only think that, this theory is still valid.

Lol. Stop playing on words.
xD

My opinion hasn't shifted, if that must be stated.
 
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Lol. Stop playing on words.
xD

My opinion hasn't shifted, if that must be stated.

Heh.

I'm not playing on words here, really. If you only "think" otherwise, rather than know, does that not mean that the theory is possible?

If I can't convince you that he lost the ability to wield a keyblade- I at least convinced you that it is possible, correct?

EDIT: Food for thought:

The keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing.

That suggests that a keyblade can be made of memories. If that is true, it's almost direct confirmation that losing memories means losing the ability to wield a keyblade. And, expanding on that thought, if the memories are the substance of a keyblade, without that substance, it would not be a stretch of the imagination for the keyblade to turn into a normal weapon when someone loses their memories. A normal weapon that could, say, break.
 
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