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Demon of Dawn

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I'm not sure if this is a regular theory, but here it goes.

It all has to do with natural, or pure darkness. I first noticed it when the term Unbirth was released. A little bit afterward, I was looking at a picture of some earlier gameplay, the one with Ven in front of Cinderella's palace. He was facing two types of enemies, one with the Unbirth symbol that we've seen on other enemies, and another type that didn't have the symbol, and looked like a Shadow heartless. I was wondering why it wouldn't have the symbol. Now I think that it is natural darkness.

At the time though, I didn't really put much thought into the picture. Then, when the first gameplay videos of BBS came out, I remember reading that at one point, Terra says "Are these the monsters I was told about, the Unbirths?" That got me thinking, the keyblade organization has existed for a very long time, but if this was one of their first sightings of an Unbirth, then what was the organization created for? My guess, to fight the natural darkness.

So what does this have to do with the Unbirth's? What if the Unbirth's are really Xeanhort's attempt of manufacturing natural darkness? Wether its for power though or something greater, I haven't yet figured out, but for some reason, Xeanhort finds an advantage in the natural darkness, and wishes to create it. Anyways, when Master Xeanhort maufacture's natural darkness, he creates a creature similar to it, but not fully. What if his creation had the power of darkness he hoped for, but he thought it's form was actually an abomination? As such, he dubs these creatures Unbirths, creatures of darkness that exist, but their form is so horrible, that it seems like they should never have been created. After all, if you seperated the words un and birth, it could be used to describe someone that shouldn't have been born, a mistake, which Xeanhort thinks because of its form.

It can explain why they don't exist in the other KH's. With Xeanhort's disapearance/death/Birth By Sleep at the end of the game, his process of creating the Unbirths disapears, therefore, they die off from natural causes/extermination, and with no one to create them, they become extinct. Well, what do you think?
 

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Well you can't actually manufacture darkness, it comes naturally by itself. I would say that the Unbirths have something to do with either....

A) The reverse birth of memories

or

B) The lack of some human quality with darkness as a replacement

~The Enchanted
 

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Well you can't actually manufacture darkness, it comes naturally by itself. I would say that the Unbirths have something to do with either....

A) The reverse birth of memories

or

B) The lack of some human quality with darkness as a replacement

~The Enchanted

I know you can't manufacture darkness, at least not pure darkness, but this is Xeanhort, he was able to summon Kingdom Hearts using only his keyblade and part of his darkness, I think it's possible that if he was crazy enough to do that, he's crazy enough to try to create darkness. Of course, it didn't work as he planned, and got a creature that even he thought was an abomination. From what you said with what you think the Unbirths are though, I'm more willing to go with your second option, but only if it turns out Xeanhort has nothing to do with their creation.
 

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i can see something like this being true.
since heartless are hearts in darkness, and nobodies are the body and soul w/o the heart, pure darkness by itself should be able to take some kind of form all itself. manufacturing though...that would have to be along the lines of the "synthetic" heartless. that could serve as a kind of direct connectiong between MX and xehanort..............
 

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I know you can't manufacture darkness, at least not pure darkness, but this is Xeanhort, he was able to summon Kingdom Hearts using only his keyblade and part of his darkness, I think it's possible that if he was crazy enough to do that, he's crazy enough to try to create darkness. Of course, it didn't work as he planned, and got a creature that even he thought was an abomination. From what you said with what you think the Unbirths are though, I'm more willing to go with your second option, but only if it turns out Xeanhort has nothing to do with their creation.

Well we can't judge MX's abilities yet. We have yet to see him demonstrate them all.

And about the second choice, I like that one, but I don't know how to explain the mechanics of that.

~The Enchanted
 

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i can see something like this being true.
since heartless are hearts in darkness, and nobodies are the body and soul w/o the heart, pure darkness by itself should be able to take some kind of form all itself. manufacturing though...that would have to be along the lines of the "synthetic" heartless. that could serve as a kind of direct connectiong between MX and xehanort..............

Thats what I thought to. When I heard that the Unbirths had something to do with Master Xeanhort, I imeadiatly thought that the emblem heartless that Xeanhort the Apprentice were somehow connected with the Unbirths. I always thought that in Xeanhort's previous life, before BBS was announced, he did experiments similar to the emblem heartless, which later would be used to actually create the emblems.
 

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I know you can't manufacture darkness, at least not pure darkness, but this is Xeanhort, he was able to summon Kingdom Hearts using only his keyblade and part of his darkness, I think it's possible that if he was crazy enough to do that, he's crazy enough to try to create darkness. Of course, it didn't work as he planned, and got a creature that even he thought was an abomination. From what you said with what you think the Unbirths are though, I'm more willing to go with your second option, but only if it turns out Xeanhort has nothing to do with their creation.

We don't know the conditions surrounding the summoning of Kingdom Hearts. I doubt he has that power right off the bat, seeing as he was chasing beings of pure light, who have something to do with KH. It has nothing to do with craziness XD

I don't see pure darkness being "created". Rather, it seems more like it exists and thrives on its own in the heart, if the heartless manifestation in present time is any indication.

Also, could you elaborate on the darkness replacement, Enchanted? I'm interested.
 

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i can see it being true to. but personally i think that every theory about bbs isnt true because there goin to expect what were goin to be thinking and make it so its completly out of the blue and unexpected. hats my theory. i like yours though
 

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Thats what I thought to. When I heard that the Unbirths had something to do with Master Xeanhort, I imeadiatly thought that the emblem heartless that Xeanhort the Apprentice were somehow connected with the Unbirths. I always thought that in Xeanhort's previous life, before BBS was announced, he did experiments similar to the emblem heartless, which later would be used to actually create the emblems.

yeah, cuz the emblem does look like a frikkin "MX", just stylized a bit. its not too hard to find when you look at it.
 

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Also, could you elaborate on the darkness replacement, Enchanted? I'm interested.

Basically it is darkness replacing the vital human parts in the KH Universe, the heart, body, or soul.

I stick with the darkness replacing the body, so the heart and soul would still exist. So they could be searching for bodies.

Oh...new thought, maybe it involves giving life. Birth is the process of being given life, so maybe the creature's are inanimate objects given life, like the Wheel Master, it's a spindle that has intelligence.

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Well we can't judge MX's abilities yet. We have yet to see him demonstrate them all.

And about the second choice, I like that one, but I don't know how to explain the mechanics of that.

~The Enchanted

I'm not directly judging his powers, but more what he wishes to use his powers for. Summoning Kingdom Hearts, most likely for the purpose of power or some other selfish gain, could be considered an act made by a crazy man. After all, just look at Xeanhort's Heartless (the human form, not the guardian). His cryptic talks alone made me think that he should be comitted to a psych ward. I probably should have made that clear though, Sorry about that.

As for the second choice, maybe it occurs when a person only loses a PIECE of their heart, and as such, darkness starts to fill in the void, making the person change into an Unbirth, not exactely a heartless because the heart is still there, but enough darkness to corrupt it, but as I said, I would only accept that option if it turns out Master Xeanhort has no connection in the creation of the Unbirths. The only problem with the darkness replacing a part of someones heart, or anything else for that matter is explaining why they don't exist anymore.
 

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Basically it is darkness replacing the vital human parts in the KH Universe, the heart, body, or soul.

I stick with the darkness replacing the body, so the heart and soul would still exist. So they could be searching for bodies.

Oh...new thought, maybe it involves giving life. Birth is the process of being given life, so maybe the creature's are inanimate objects given life, like the Wheel Master, it's a spindle that has intelligence.

~The Enchanted

I like the sound of those. The biggest thing people have problems with explaining an Unbirth is how they came to end, imo. But I can see how that would work with your theories, as they could involve a third party being vital to their creation or simply the lack of a sustainable life, despite being created.

Why aren't you on more often? D:
 

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I like the sound of those. The biggest thing people have problems with explaining an Unbirth is how they came to end, imo. But I can see how that would work with your theories, as they could involve a third party being vital to their creation or simply the lack of a sustainable life, despite being created.

Why aren't you on more often? D:

I know what you mean, but what really sucks about them, is the name. Unbirth is a very hard to decipher, imo. I mean it could be several things, which makes it hard to figure them out, that and how they went away.

And as for your question, I have school during the week days, so I can only be on for long periods during Friday's and Saturday's. This week is Labor Day weekend, so I can be on Sunday night too.

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I know what you mean, but what really sucks about them, is the name. Unbirth is a very hard to decipher, imo. I mean it could be several things, which makes it hard to figure them out, that and how they went away.

And as for your question, I have school during the week days, so I can only be on for long periods during Friday's and Saturday's. This week is Labor Day weekend, so I can be on Sunday night too.

~The Enchanted

I will laugh if Nomura changes the name of the "unbirths" out of the blue.
Or if it gets censored and changed when it comes out in English.

Soon I'll have to share your pain of school. I'm not looking forward to it. >.O
 

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I will laugh if Nomura changes the name of the "unbirths" out of the blue.
Or if it gets censored and changed when it comes out in English.

Soon I'll have to share your pain of school. I'm not looking forward to it. >.O

Rofl.

And what sucks is the tests, so many tests. D=

~The Enchanted
 

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I will laugh if Nomura changes the name of the "unbirths" out of the blue.
Or if it gets censored and changed when it comes out in English.

Soon I'll have to share your pain of school. I'm not looking forward to it. >.O

I wouldn't be surprised if either of the two happened. And yes, school sucks. Especially since we're going into the toughest year of high school. *sigh*
 
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