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I was going to make a reply in the "Hidden Meaning" thread, truth be told, but it closed as I hit reply. xD
I don't want this going to waste:

Why is Xehanort named Xehanort? What significance does "No Heart" and "Another" have for him? Surely it can't just be the fact that he took out his heart and placed it in Terra, since, uh, he was named Xehanort before that happened. And in any case, that's not much of an explanation for No Heart since Xehanort does have a heart and it's not as if this is referring to MX's non-existent Nobody.
Given that they hinted at MX's past in BbS, I think there's more to him than we know.

So, the whole "X" thing, as explained by Nomura, is due to the X-Blade. The Organization included the X as both a testament to the X-Blade, a symbolism of betrayal, and the fact that they were new people, different than their somebodies. The same can possibly be said of Master Xehanort- that is, he wasn't always named Xehanort, and wasn't the same person as we know him now, but instead added the X in later.

That's not to say, though, that his name was No Heart or Another before, but that either the attribute of "No Heart" or "Another" (whatever they mean), was what made the man become Xehanort as we know him now.

So, what about MX in his past could have applied to "No Heart" and/or "Another"?
Look at the connection to Riku.

Terra has a moment of clairvoyance in which he sees Xehanort in the same shoes as Riku, a collision of past and future. Both considered the island to be a "prison."
If Xehanort is like Riku in that respect (or rather, Riku like Xehanort), what other similarities could the two hold as an instance of history repeating itself?

We already know of another. Both of them opened their hearts to darkness.
In Riku's case, what happened? It granted Ansem SoD an entry point into Riku's heart.
See where I'm going with this?

In Xehanort's case (or whatever his name was before the incident I'm about to describe), could he have allowed a heartless to enter his heart as well?
Xehanort was aware of the existence of the heartless and had access to them, as we see in the flashback to Ven's training.

Now, obviously there is a bit of a problem with this. Namely that it complicates Xehanort even further. But when you think of it from a parasitic point of view, it's not that complex. Think of the original Xehanort as a heartless. One which took over MX's heart (before he was even named MX). Then Terra's heart. Then Riku's heart.
It's essentially jumping from vessel to vessel, adding hearts to its power.

This is not unlike what MX said in his report- that by extracting one's heart and placing it in another, and repeating continually, someone could hypothetically live forever. And what's more, it is accumulating the power of each heart it takes.

As for why this Heartless is regarded as Xehanort, let's start with No Heart.
No Heart is the name of the Heartless. In fact, any Heartless can be regarded as No Heart. No Heart is the same thing as saying Heartless. Then when it starts taking over others hearts, it becomes Another being. Hence, by taking on a new existence, it does the same as the Organization, adds in the X, and scrambles it into an anagram, Xehanort.

The question is, who is this No Heart, this Heartless? I doubt it would be just any plain old heartless. It's one with a plan, with sentience.
If we extrapolate on what it's doing- gathering hearts one by one to be assimilated into itself- the end goal would probably be to absorb every heart in existence- to be a Heartless of all hearts. A Heartless Kingdom Hearts.

Maybe it's the heartless, the very first, one which is a reflection of KH itself?
Not sure. Just something to think about.
 
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Your theory is good but I doubt that it's the answer. It's too good to be true.
 

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i like this. while MX is talking to terra he even says that soon terra's heart will become part of his own. when i saw that the first time the first thing i asked myself is has he done this before? even when terranort looses his memories he still remembers the name xehanort...

if this is true then the original xehanort could have been multiple things, he could even have been a keyblade wielder of the past searching for kingdom hearts. everytime he gets close to succeeding a boy with a key appears.... in this world there is no such thing as coincidence....

obviously this theory isn't perfect but i think that its cool lol
 

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I doubt this. I mean, it could very well explain just who or what Xehanort really is, among other things, but Xehanort (the one we know) is the one who seems to be the major antagonist. Honestly, I'd rather this not be the case, because I don't want another Terra. It's a cool idea and all, but let's just keep this as Terra and MX, unless the new series/ mystery game reveals otherwise, should it be MX's past. (If the mystery game indeed leads to a new series, the fact that Nomura said that the KH timeline doesn't go back any further than BBS might not mean a thing.)
 

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I'm on the fence on this one. Personally, I'd rather this not happen as I prefer MX being the one behind everything, but my preference does not mean I do not think this is any less possible.

I do think something changed him, as he mentioned a strong presence flow into him whenever he used the SDC, but whatever it was, I don't think it took him over, especially if it was a Heartless, but I could see it influencing him. MX said he believed the worlds should have a balance of light and darkness, something I don't think a Heartless, even a sentient one, would think. If there is something else in there with him, I would think it is balancing out with him.

Also, I like the idea of it being the first Heartless or even the original darkness. Wouldn't it be interesting if that was what the Guardian was?
 

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I'm on the fence on this one. Personally, I'd rather this not happen as I prefer MX being the one behind everything, but my preference does not mean I do not think this is any less possible.

I do think something changed him, as he mentioned a strong presence flow into him whenever he used the SDC, but whatever it was, I don't think it took him over, especially if it was a Heartless, but I could see it influencing him. MX said he believed the worlds should have a balance of light and darkness, something I don't think a Heartless, even a sentient one, would think. If there is something else in there with him, I would think it is balancing out with him.

Also, I like the idea of it being the first Heartless or even the original darkness. Wouldn't it be interesting if that was what the Guardian was?

that makes sense since it doesn't really fit a heartless's motives. however im somewhat reminded of how the heartless ate away at maleficents heart and she never noticed that she was being manipulated from the beginning. she always warned the other villains not to let the darkness consume them all the while she was already being consumed and couldn't see it. so i wonder if its a similar concept to that.

however this is one thing that has been bothering me, xehanort mentioned how no one still living knew what exactly happened in the keyblade war. and yet he has knowledge of the xblade and seems to know more than what he lead on. i think that makes or breaks the theory. if he does have insider knowledge of the war he would have had to get it from somewhere or someone who wasn't still living.... but if not then it seems out of place since he should have knowledge from back then.

however a counter argument to my own argument is that if he seals his memory often or has at least done it after possessing MX then he wouldn't remember his past anyways. only a drive to accomplish his goals. kinda like how kairi lost her memories of sora but was still driven to reunite with him despite not knowing who "him" is.
 

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The story of the X-Blade and the keyblade war was probably passed down through the generations of surviving keyblade masters, such as MX's and ME's, which might be why ME has some knowledge of it as well and what it can do. I doubt it's anything more.
 

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Hmm, this is an interesting idea, and it's possible. But I feel like it would add too much complexity, and, like OmniChaos, I like to think of MX as being a real person, the start of all the Xehanorts. We originally thought that Apprentice Xehanort was the start of the Xehanorts, but we found out that wasn't true with BbS, so I don't think they'd do that to us again.

Really good theory, though. I definitely think that he named himself Xehanort after some kind of event happened in his life, because seriously, his parent's wouldn't just ironically name him something that could be arranged into No Heart X. I don't know what this event could of been... That's why an MX game would be cool :3

Also, maybe the No Heart anagram relates to MX, while the Another anagram relates to Apprentice Xehanort? Y'know, to show that there is a difference between them. Just a slightly off-topic thought. xD
 
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Eh, I know it would be nice to finally have the legitimate enemy of the series known like you guys are saying, but on the same tolken, it also detracts from the mystery of the antagonist of KH3.

I can only imagine that the enemy in KH3 (if it is to be the final game for Sora's story), would have the real enemy of the series as the antagonist. That's not to say that, for example, there could be some new enemy (aside from Heartless/Nobodies/Unversed) and yet another incarnation of Xehanort, but that would be stupid and even more convoluted, in my opinion. So if the KH3 villain is going to be the "real" Xehanort, and MX is the "real" Xehanort, then the mystery has already been answered. And much more of KH3 would be contingent on BbS then I imagined (that is, you'd probably have to at least have some former knowledge of MX to understand him in KH3).

Though that's neither here nor there, just my own opinion on the matter.


Your theory is plausible and really thought out but I think Nomura will come up with a new main antagonists instead of Xehanort.

Not happening, just telling you right now.
 

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Your theory is plausible and really thought out but I think Nomura will come up with a new main antagonists instead of Xehanort.

Maluxia was the closest thing to Nomura making a new antagonist, but as we can see, he was only a minor one if that.

Anyways, don't get me wrong.. I'm all for the twist you mentioned, but I'd prefer we stick to MX being the big bad guy all along and not make it anymore convoluted and complex that it already is.
 

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I have to hate you for this. Not because you came up with a good theory.
But because it's so stupid to the actual storyline, that it just might be actually real.

Look out for Nomura. He might steal this shit. Real ass talk.
 

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i like it but i like the idea of MX being behind all of this instead of someone else....
 

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Why is Xehanort named Xehanort? What significance does "No Heart" and "Another" have for him? Surely it can't just be the fact that he took out his heart and placed it in Terra, since, uh, he was named Xehanort before that happened. And in any case, that's not much of an explanation for No Heart since Xehanort does have a heart and it's not as if this is referring to MX's non-existent Nobody.
Given that they hinted at MX's past in BbS, I think there's more to him than we know.

THIS is exactly what I was trying to say, except people got all hooked up 'no family in KH' on me jokingly mentioning his mum giving him that name...

I like your theory. Sounds logical, and also like what Nomura would do. He has showed beyond a doubt that he loves repetition in all forms. Half the characters looking like/being part of the others. Well, Xion's story was a rip off of existing characters, so I wouldn't put it past Nomura to make MX's a rip off of Riku's.
 
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