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[Oracle Spockanort]

It still makes me mad, lol. When I play Days or read the manga or the novels, there is not a single hint that that either Axel or Saix had a third party on their mind. Based on how the characters act, I got the impression that Isa was the one experimented on. He was branded with the sigil then forced to give up his heart and join the Organization. Lea most likely joined the Organization willingly. He couldn't bear to lose his best friend, so he sacrificed his heart and morality to get him back from Xemnas.

That's why Axel was so hurt when Saix didn't seem worried after he was almost annihilated in Castle Oblivion. That's why he began to grow distant from Saix and spend more time with Roxas and Xion. That's why Saix found it such a huge betrayal that Axel would prefer spending his time with a kid and a puppet, rather than focusing on their plan.

But nope, in KH3, Axel was really assassinating traitors all that time for the GIRL, not for Isa. Saix was so angry because Axel wasn't focused on saving the GIRL anymore. It's not like I was expecting Lea and Isa to be openly gay in KH3. But the way that girl was used to make their relationship seem less intimate than it really was...it was so infuriating.

That was my reading of the situation as well, and it makes sense because that was what it WAS until Nomura decided to change his mind. It’s annoying. I thought that it would have been Saix and Axel who were kept in some of the cells in the late days of the Apprentices’ experiments. And Saix would have gotten the worst of it.

I also wouldn't blame them, honestly. I don't think I'd be able to keep shipping it if they're brothers, but revealing something like this 12 years after the first game Eraqus was in is complete insanity. People who like the ship since that way back suddenly being told they're related will simply pretend that detail doesn't exist.

I wouldn’t either but I don’t blame fans either if they elected to ignore this information if it happens. It’s like how Kishimoto revealed that Sasuke and Naruto were the reincarnations of those two brother gods (along with Madara and Hashirama or whatever their names were) despite people having shipped them for years, and the series intentionally queerbaited people with that pair since the beginning.

It’s like, really? You think now is the time to suddenly say “oh btw they are distantly related”

Like? ?????? ?? Did these creators look at Leia and Luke and go “yeah I want that in my story. Unintentional incest ”

 

[Elysium]

That's why Axel was so hurt when Saix didn't seem worried after he was almost annihilated in Castle Oblivion. That's why he began to grow distant from Saix and spend more time with Roxas and Xion. That's why Saix found it such a huge betrayal that Axel would prefer spending his time with a kid and a puppet, rather than focusing on their plan.

But nope, in KH3, Axel was really assassinating traitors all that time for the GIRL, not for Isa. Saix was so angry because Axel wasn't focused on saving the GIRL anymore. It's not like I was expecting Lea and Isa to be openly gay in KH3. But the way that girl was used to make their relationship seem less intimate than it really was...it was so infuriating.

I don't think 3 wipes that away so much as it instead couches it all in a "we" (us three) instead to give SE / Nomura an out. Axel started off doing everything for "them" (only the three of them now rather than the two of them). Saix was angry Axel didn't care about them (the girl or him now) anymore.

That doesn't really surprise me because in some ways I've noticed LeaIsa are a great deal like SoRiku the more time goes by--which may explain why I liked the pairing--and Sora and Riku's relationship in 1 is similar to the situation 3 created where all Riku's extreme jealousy is diverted away with the explanation that it's, um, about Kairi--yeah, that's right, Kairi!--even though she's never around and even when she actually is onscreen Riku rarely shows much interest in her... Only that "girl excuse" is more obvious in Axel and Saix's case because it wasn't there to begin with, but forced in later.

I think the reason it was forced in later rather than there at the start was because the growth in relevance of Saix was something that happened unexpectedly, otherwise it probably would've been there to begin with (not only to divert the gay away, but also to make every relevant relationship into a trio as Nomura decided somewhere along the line). I doubt that Nomura began 2 thinking Saix would be redeemed or that he and Axel's relationship would evolve to the point it did pre-3 so much as he changed his plans over time. There was always a very high likelihood Saix would die in 3 to me. And that lines up with how the direction of Axel also changed a great deal over time, too.

 

[palizinhas]

I wouldn’t either but I don’t blame fans either if they elected to ignore this information if it happens. It’s like how Kishimoto revealed that Sasuke and Naruto were the reincarnations of those two brother gods (along with Madara and Hashirama or whatever their names were) despite people having shipped them for years, and the series intentionally queerbaited people with that pair since the beginning.

It’s like, really? You think now is the time to suddenly say “oh btw they are distantly related”

Like? ?????? ?? Did these creators look at Leia and Luke and go “yeah I want that in my story. Unintentional incest ”

More recently there was DuckTales 2017, but that was an example where the creator warned from the very beginning that the relationship was familial and Webby would NEVER date any of the triplets, people just shipped her with them anyway. And got "whoops we were shipping incest" as a bonus.

 

[palizinhas]

I mean, Isa and Lea joined with the Apprentices before becoming Nobodies, so they probably fell for the same "we'll be better without hearts" bull that the other Org members did.

We became Nobodies precisely to avoid the shackles of emotion. It was only later that we realized the scale of that loss: that some things simply cannot be done without a heart

 

[khkid]

Kanemaki is our only hope, then xD May she give us the good gay content.

KH3 still kills me. Saix and Axel still have these ridiculously intimate moments while speaking about about Subject X and my eyes couldn't roll harder. Why couldn't they have just been nosy, stupid teens? I really hope the Skuld (or whoever it is) reveal and their friendship makes up for this tomfoolery.

hey I write stories

 

[Violet Pluto]

*Snip*

To be totally fair, the reason they break into the Radiant Garden castle and why they look so determined to do so at the end of BBS was never explained. Also Isa says that he was dedicated to finding X, but he also just got really jealous once Lea just made new friends. While he has some anger towards Lea for not continuing on their mission, it's pretty explicit that he's more pissed that he feels like he was replaced in Lea's heart; and even worse is that he knows that isn't true but can't help feeling that way either. I'm pretty sure there's something there for a shipper.

*Snip*

The Naruto and Sasuke thing is so much more confusing than that. They aren't reincarnations, but instead inherited the chakra of those brothers, and are "reincarnations" in that they occupy the same archetype as Asura and Indra. Naruto is all about cycles so they are technically on brand, but it's still very odd. The key thing to knowing that they aren't reincarnations is that they would technically be reincarnations of Hashirama and Madara as well since they were also inheritors of the chakra of Asura and Indra, and none of the four are able to remember the past life (which is a really big reincarnation trope.)

 

[Finland]

Also Isa says that he was dedicated to finding X, but he also just got really jealous once Lea just made new friends. While he has some anger towards Lea for not continuing on their mission, it's pretty explicit that he's more pissed that he feels like he was replaced in Lea's heart; and even worse is that he knows that isn't true but can't help feeling that way either. I'm pretty sure there's something there for a shipper.

saïx' death in kh3 really drives home that fact, imo. despite the whole "i sacrificed everything for her, you left us both" babbling at the start, in the end saïx' feelings boil down to him being hurt, jealous and lonely without axel specifically. he admits that axel would never forget him, that he is aware of how much axel cares, but he is angry and in pain nonetheless. the addition of X definitely didn't take away all the feelings the two have for each other, which i am happy about. however, i also believe that X as a concept undermines the presumed commitments and motivations of the duo in a way that almost feels like a retcon (although it technically isn't one), and very conveniently takes the edge off the "gay implications".

...or i'm being too cynical, and it all really is about nomura loving groups of three too much, lmfao. we just have to hope that the yet-unveiled backstory doesn't butcher everything that has been built up so far.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

I'm terrified there's gonna be a scene where Isa gives himself that scar so that he will never forget Subject X.

Recusant’s Sigil? No, self-harm to add to the manpain

 

[Elysium]

the addition of X definitely didn't take away all the feelings the two have for each other, which i am happy about. however, i also believe that X as a concept undermines the presumed commitments and motivations of the duo in a way that almost feels like a retcon (although it technically isn't one), and very conveniently takes the edge off the "gay implications".

That's how I feel. Yeah, the mystery girl is a deliberate de-escalation of the relationship the characters had by Nomura, but it doesn't erase it all either. It merely made LeaIsa more in line with most slash ships by putting it in that whole "Well, you can interpret it that way....but you can also interpret it this other way" kind of copout. So while ire is deserved, imo, I don't think it neutralizes the ship either--nor do I think that was Nomura's intention. I believe he tries to keep the shipping community fired up with vagueness.

I think it worked in tandem with him wanting every relationship to be a trio though. If I'm being honest, I always thought they only met the mystery girl after they had already become test subjects and they were simply prisoners along with her. I've never thought the girl was Kairi and really hope that's not the case, but it could be. It would explain why they weirdly paired Axel up with Kairi in KH3 for training. They even gave them a scene together when normally Nomura pretends Kairi doesn't exist outside of intro and ending scenes.

On the plus side, if the Mystery Girl turns out to be Kairi, at least that means there's zero chance of the Mystery Girl infringing on LeaIsa considering she's so much younger than they are. Even with that aside, Sora is pretty much the only thing Kairi cares about and her only defining attribute really.

 

[MATGSY]

 

[palizinhas]

Would like to brag that my favorite ship has something no other KH ship can boast besides maybe Rokushi: An entire game about their relationship where they actually interact directly with each other for the huge majority of it

Xehaqus above all

 

[Clue.Less]

Speaking of Xehaqus, I'd like to share this gorgeous one-shot, written by an esteemed KHI member (@Dast ). If you felt like the Dark Road finale was a little lacking in Xehanort angsty monologues and emotional tension, here's 2,700 words to satisfy your needs ♡

The Locks between - A_True_Nobody - Kingdom Hearts (Video Games) [Archive of Our Own]

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

archiveofourown.org

This said, I headcanon that Xehaqus's first kiss happens not long after that last scene they have together in the finale. They both seemed to have deeper realizations.

And we don't get to see most of the months and years after that because it's just a lot of coupley stuff.

 

[LightxDarkness]

Xehanort and Eraqus are just friends not lovers.
Sora and Riku are just friends not lovers.
Roxas and Lea/Axel are just friends not lovers.
Lea and Isa are just friends not lovers.

This fanbase is a mess.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

Xehanort and Eraqus are just friends not lovers.
Sora and Riku are just friends not lovers.
Roxas and Lea/Axel are just friends not lovers.
Lea and Isa are just friends not lovers.

This fanbase is a mess.

Okay but that’s what shipping is for lol

These aren’t real people. They are fictional characters. Getting hung up on stuff like this is silly.

 

[Elysium]

Would like to brag that my favorite ship has something no other KH ship can boast besides maybe Rokushi: An entire game about their relationship where they actually interact directly with each other for the huge majority of it

Xehaqus above all

That's a very delineated way to win something, lol. Call me when Xehaqus are in union via Keyblades or orchestral music a la SoRiku in 3D.

 

[Zackarix]

For a series that doesn't like to go heavy on romance Kingdom Hearts sure does like making divorce into a major plot point

 

[palizinhas]

That's a very delineated way to win something, lol. Call me when Xehaqus are in union via Keyblades or orchestral music a la SoRiku in 3D.

I was talking about what I like. KH2 >>>>>>> DDD for me when it comes to Soriku because they actually talk to each other and that is what I enjoy seeing over ~connections~.

 

[Absent]

Xehanort and Eraqus are just friends not lovers.
Sora and Riku are just friends not lovers.
Roxas and Lea/Axel are just friends not lovers.
Lea and Isa are just friends not lovers.

This fanbase is a mess.

I sense much fear in you.

 

[palizinhas]

Imagine seeing Urd be jealous of Xehaqus' "special kind of friendship" and think their relationship is super normal platonic besties

Even THE OTHER CHARACTERS find it strange

They are canonically the "frequently bought together do not separate" meme

 

[KairiTheMang0]

Hey everyone! I’m Kai and I mostly ship

Sora/Riku
Xehanort/Eraqus
Lea/Isa
Roxas/Xion

That’s really it, sorry if I interrupted an on going conversation or anything lol