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just to clarify, when I say organized religion I mean religious groups that have amassed big enough following for their views on certain matters to actually effect the views of what are supposed to be separated government bodies. Case in point, Roe v Wade being overturned becomes a bunch of Christian whack jobs put the rights of babies over the rights of women. Organized religion has been giving off a very bad vibe of “share our opinions or be punished” for millennia and that ain’t cool. Many people in my country alone have caused massive problems because whatever magic being in the clouds they believe in told them to. And this is not supposed to be possible. The separation of church and state clearly means for religious institutions to keep the noses out of political business. Yet here we are going down a slippery slope that starts at abortion and leads on to things like gay marriage and pretty much everything progressive that has happened in the last few years. If your religion is currently preaching bigotry and the suppression of individual rights, you have every right to tell them and whatever deity they worship to suck it.
 

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Didn't realise this was r/im14andthisisdeep

Or alternatively, r/atheism.

This isn't the first time you've posted a thread with a good point that's surrounded by layers of utterly ridiculous thinking.
 

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Didn't realise this was r/im14andthisisdeep

Or alternatively, r/atheism.

This isn't the first time you've posted a thread with a good point that's surrounded by layers of utterly ridiculous thinking.
Is blaming the organized efforts of religious groups for the state government’s newly gained ability to end abortion really that ridiculous? Also, real classy, associating my argument with Reddit.
 

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Organized religions by themselves are not a problem per se.
Problems tend to flare up when said "religions" or rather more fanatic followers of said faith start to try and force their views onto other parts of society and start to get mixed with politics and general social norms.

Religion is a private thing and has no business trying to influence political policy.
Theocractic "governments" based on religion tend to be as oppressive and vile as fascist or communist regimes as they're all part of totalitarian types of governments.
Religion having a say in politics and general social matters of a society is deepest middle ages, only going to stone age itself would be more backwards.
 

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Organized religions by themselves are not a problem per se.
Problems tend to flare up when said "religions" or rather more fanatic followers of said faith start to try and force their views onto other parts of society and start to get mixed with politics and general social norms.

Religion is a private thing and has no business trying to influence political policy.
Theocractic "governments" based on religion tend to be as oppressive and vile as fascist or communist regimes as they're all part of totalitarian types of governments.
Religion having a say in politics and general social matters of a society is deepest middle ages, only going to stone age itself would be more backwards.
At least someone around here seems to get where I’m coming from. Like I said, the recent situation in the US involving abortion is a prime example of the religious right shoving their beliefs into societal/political matters for the worst
 

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I do get where you're coming from, and I don't disagree but your manner of conveying your point is apalling and pretty rude and offensive. I've made it a point to simply not interact much at all on this topic with people who have juvenile views on religion. With regards to this specific case - America suffers from a lot of different problems that all combine together to lead to terrible decisions like this. It doesn't do at all to simply start being dismissive of religion and start being derogatory about it when its the works of a handful of well-connected people whipping up others into a frenzy. I'm not a Christian btw.
 

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I do get where you're coming from, and I don't disagree but your manner of conveying your point is apalling and pretty rude and offensive. I've made it a point to simply not interact much at all on this topic with people who have juvenile views on religion. With regards to this specific case - America suffers from a lot of different problems that all combine together to lead to terrible decisions like this. It doesn't do at all to simply start being dismissive of religion and start being derogatory about it when its the works of a handful of well-connected people whipping up others into a frenzy. I'm not a Christian btw.
Well I got my grievances out so I’m good
 

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:rolleyes: It's okay for you to be consistently rude as long as you feel good about it afterwards, I see how it is now

EDIT: To address the thread of the title: Organised religion is not a problem. Organised anything is inherently not a problem (unless it's fascism or something). What is a problem is when people manipulate and co opt groups for an extreme cause. I think many people who identify with one of the major religions has been feeling the brunt of this within the last 20 or so years - some more than others - and its frustrating time and time again to hear that the people propagating terrible decisions and acts - from OP's example on abortion to terrorist attacks - are always of the same description i.e they aren't anywhere close to being practising members of the faiths that they so publicly claim they're a part of.

The hypocrisy alone is one thing, but the damage done to normal people who just want to live their lives is horrendous. I'm talking about the victims of these acts of course, but misaimed retribution is also often a thing. I don't really hide this fact but I am a Muslim, I'm proud of it too, and I think I know what I'm talking about when I say It's pretty obvious that there's an acceptable target for being a bigot towards these days. Religion is a nice catch-all for it, what's even worse is that often this line of thinking is applauded as being progressive. I disagree.

The real issue with American politics as that's the example OP gave is that the root cause of everything comes back to money. You think these decisions are done based on ideological purity? Of course not. Look a little deeper and you'll no doubt find someone somewhere is benefitting financially from this - which people are not likely to look for right now because this is a terrible decision and rightly, people are looking to oppose it by as many means as they can think of. I can't think of the last time anything in either the USA or the UK was done for idealogical purity. I suppose Brexit is one but everyone knows Johnson didn't believe in it at all. Not sure if it counts, and anyway, again, certain people stood to have a lot of financial gain from it.

I guess the takeaway is do not be so quick to begin propagating divisions when the people at the top are all in it together anyway, and financially benefitting off of us to boot.
 
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:rolleyes: It's okay for you to be consistently rude as long as you feel good about it afterwards, I see how it is now
Hey you don’t live in a breeding grounds for the morons who voted for this stuff (specifically Texas)

Edit: I wouldn’t exactly call wanting certain political figures to get proper punishment for messing up the free world rude
 
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Hey you don’t live in a breeding grounds for the morons who voted for this stuff (specifically Texas)

Edit: I wouldn’t exactly call wanting certain political figures to get proper punish enemy for messing up the free world rude
I was taking issue with your blanket statements towards the end of your post regarding religion
 

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Religion is a business. A big business. Its product is fraud, so yes, a scam. Religion has the most successful marketing tools, especially the use of the carrot and the stick. Religions have a marketing toolbox par excellence! They control their followers not just on Sunday but every day of their lives, and the followers do not even see it! Take prayer: they’re told what to pray, when to pray, to whom to pray, how many times a day to pray, and they do it! Islam even controls them making them pray five times a day! Plus many other special prayers! Gudgreeeeef! How can they not see they are being controlled?
I was really hoping this thread was dead considering it was me taking out my annoyance with more far right religious groups so if I’m gonna stop ya right there
 
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