Question about Nobodies Ven and Kairi.

[Frozura]

If someone loses there heart in whatever means but not to darkness, do they get a nobody?

Like how Ven's body is the CoW and Kairi's body in KH1 was wherever Maleficent went but both their hearts were inside sora, does that mean they are Nobodies until they get their hearts back, or what? Because I am wondering why and when Sora actually produced Roxas and Namine but not his own nobody (unless that is because he got his body back quickly) and when he actually did produce either 2 because Ven put his heart into Sora in BBS and Kairi's heart was put into him in KH1, 2 very far apart times which would mean Roxas would had to have been born from Ven or, IDK OMG somebody help me.

 

[brosandi]

Nobodies are only created when someone's heart becomes a Heartless and their body is casted off.

 

[Eyphio]

a nodody is when one's heart is taken by DARKNESS
if someone moves their heart to another it is NOT TAKEN BY DARKNESS
they just go to sleep
for example princess aurora
her heart is STOLEN
but NOT TAKEN BY DARKNESS

 

[The Fishman]

well the way i think of it when the princesses of light lost their hearts, they didn't create a heartless(obviously) and certainly no nobody
i think kairi was a special case because her heart was in Sora, so it got in contact with darkness(minimal) and her nobody was Namine(no heartless since she's a POL)

 

[brosandi]

well the way i think of it when the princesses of light lost their hearts, they didn't create a heartless(obviously) and certainly no nobody
i think kairi was a special case because her heart was in Sora, so it got in contact with darkness(minimal) and her nobody was Namine(no heartless since she's a POL)

No, that's not why Nami was created.

 

[The Fishman]

No, that's not why Nami was created.

how was she created then, i guess i forgot

 

[Zulkir]

She's a basket case of ambiguity.


I wouldn't even trust Ansem about her, even HE didn't post his idea on KH-insider.com cause he wasn't sure.


Supposedly she's the body and soul of Sora...who is already roxas(Ven's body is sleeping, soul might be in sora, dunno).

 

[Captain Garlock]

Nobodies are only created when someone's heart becomes a Heartless and their body is casted off.

False.
Its when a person submits to the darkness makes a heartless and the will of the person is strong enough that the body and soul make a nobody.

 

[brosandi]

False.
Its when a person submits to the darkness makes a heartless and the will of the person is strong enough that the body and soul make a nobody.

It's not only when a person submits to darkness.
And nothing i said was false, you're just being picky.

 

[Beyer]

Kairi is a Princess of Heart, she had no darkness so she did not created a heartless or a nobody when she lost her heart.
Ven's darkness had been taken and made into Vanitas, so when he lost his heart (confirmation?) he went into the same comatose state as Kairi did, well, Kairi copied Ven lol.
Roxas and Namine were created when Sora stabbed himself in KH1. Roxas received Ven's heart and Kairi got her's back.
I, personally, am confused as to why
1)Ven's heart went to Roxas, not Ven, maybe something has happened to his body?
2) If Kairi is a whole being, body and heart and soul, then what is Namine made up of?

 

[Captain Garlock]

It's not only when a person submits to darkness.
And nothing i said was false, you're just being picky.

No you said the nobody is the body but it is actually the heart and the soul of the person who has given into darkness.

 

[Kentsu13]

i thought that was how shes created.....

 

[brosandi]

No you said the nobody is the body but it is actually the heart and the soul of the person who has given into darkness.

FALSE.
Nobody is the body and soul of the person, not the heart. SILLY YOU.

I only said "body" because i figured people were smart enough to know that that included the soul, since we all know that the body+soul are connected, and without the soul, the person dies.

I didn't figure i needed to be that specific, which is why i said you were being picky.

 

[Captain Garlock]

No you said the nobody is the body but it is actually the heart and the soul of the person who has given into darkness.

That was a typo i originally said

Its when a person submits to the darkness makes a heartless and the will of the person is strong enough that the body and soul make a nobody.

My bad for the typo thus you cant say im wrong if what i stated at first was right lol.

I only corrected you because you cant assume everyone knows that.

i thought that was how shes created.....

I believe now idk if im right but.
Shes Sora and Kairi.
Mostly kairi though.
The reason shes Sora is due ot her ability to tinker in the hearts of sora and those who align themselves with him.

 

[Kentsu13]

i read on kh wiki that shes from sora's soul/body but w/ kairi's heart

 

[Captain Garlock]

That im not sure on but i know for a fact her powers come from one of the two im leaning towards Sora.

 

[brosandi]

I only corrected you because you cant assume everyone knows that.

So i've notice. Assuming people are smart was clearly my downfall.

 

[Genocide]

Alright, all of you shut up and listen:

When a person with darkness in their heart loses said heart, the darkness becomes a pureblood.

Emblems are the same, but they hold their original hearts captive. Thus the reason for only Roxas and Xion able to collect hearts in Days.

Without darkness, however, the body cannot be taken away. Only darkness breeds life, if it can so be called. If the heart had no darkness, the shell cannot disappear from the world of light. This is confirmed.

In the case of Kairi, her heart was in Sora. She was spatially relocated to a place where she remained untouched by the darkness. This is not to say that she was taken by the darkness because it's confirmed that she couldn't.

In the case of Ven, nobodies don't exist. And even if he were to disappear, one wouldn't be created. He'd just remain in the RoD until his heart returned.

When someone with a really strong heart loses their heart, they create a nobody. For this to happen, there needs to be darkness in their heart. Neither Ven, nor Kairi fall into that category. Kairi did however, get her heart returned to her because of Sora's sacrifice. And because of that, Kairi's heart fulfilled a requirement to create a nobody.

The heart, utilized Sora's body and soul to create Namine. Her heart is a parasite on Roxas. Roxas was being created, when Kairi's heart intervened and made Namine. Namine is not Sora's body and soul; Roxas is. Namine is literally nothingness personified unlike the other nobodies who claim to be nothing.

The reason Roxas looks like Ven is because Ven's heart is incomplete, so his heart is integrated with Sora's, as opposed to previously theorized to be with Sora's heart. Ven becomes a part of Sora. And when Sora loses his heart, his body takes the appearance of Ven.

So when people were scrembling Ven is Sora.....they were technically right.

I like that almost everybody was right about BBS. almost every theory was correct.