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~ oh, am i? there usually would be some sort of physical repercussions. stress on the usually. there's one humongous factor that you fail to look at, the fact that throughout the entire series, sora has been the one exception for all the rules. the proof that we do have of his probable merge with ven is the fact that his NOBODY'S HIS FREAKIN' TWIN.

That could very well be explained by something else, like say Ven's heart being in Sora's body. If it's not fully operational, it wouldn't affect Sora's appearance or mentality, and when Sora became a Heartless, Ven's heart transferred over to Roxas, thus giving Roxas a heart and altering his appearance to what it is.

However, should Ven as a whole and Sora as a whole merged together, then that would mean that Ven's body and soul would merge together with Sora's body and soul, not just Ven's heart being in Sora. That would mean that some sort of physical change should have come about within Sora. As in, that moment in time. Not ten years later, when Sora becomes a Heartless.

That being said, when Sora becomes a Heartless, if he really fused together with Ven, then there would have been three Nobodies created, would there not?

Roxas would have been created with Sora's body and soul.
Nobody X would have been created with Ven's body and soul.
Namine would have been created with the scraps.

If that were the case, then it wouldn't make sense as to why Roxas, if he's Sora's Nobody, looks like Ven if he doesn't have Ven's body and soul.

~ of course you do. don't underestimate the power of the blue eyes and spiky hair. a great destiny is somethin' you're born with, so obviously age doesn't stop things from rearing their heads a little early.

Don't overestimate the power of a four year old who doesn't even have a Keyblade. At this point, Sora has nothing. No magic, no Keyblade, nothing. We have nothing to even suggest that Sora was chosen for the Keyblade prior to when he touched Riku's light in KH1. I don't know what you mean by this destiny stuff, but at this moment in time, Sora is nothing but a preschooler. There is nothing special about him.

Ven, on the other hand, is not only physically and mentally stronger than Sora, he also has a Keyblade, presumably knows some magic, and in general is a great deal more powerful than Sora is at this point in time. It doesn't make any sense as to why he would be so easily overpowered by a four year old who has nothing.
 

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When Sora and Riku were fighting Xemnas, Riku passed the Way to the Dawn to Sora, and Sora was able to use both of the Keyblades at once. If Sora was unable to hold two Keyblades at once without a Drive Form, the Way to the Dawn would've disappeared seconds after it left Riku's possession, as seen with Jack Sparrow in Port Royal.
You're forgetting Riku giving Kairi the gayblade, that was for all intents and purposes Riku dual wielding while giving half to Kairi and it didn't disappear.
 

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That could very well be explained by something else, like say Ven's heart being in Sora's body. If it's not fully operational, it wouldn't affect Sora's appearance or mentality, and when Sora became a Heartless, Ven's heart transferred over to Roxas, thus giving Roxas a heart and altering his appearance to what it is.

However, should Ven as a whole and Sora as a whole merged together, then that would mean that Ven's body and soul would merge together with Sora's body and soul, not just Ven's heart being in Sora. That would mean that some sort of physical change should have come about within Sora. As in, that moment in time. Not ten years later, when Sora becomes a Heartless.

That being said, when Sora becomes a Heartless, if he really fused together with Ven, then there would have been three Nobodies created, would there not?

Roxas would have been created with Sora's body and soul.
Nobody X would have been created with Ven's body and soul.
Namine would have been created with the scraps.

If that were the case, then it wouldn't make sense as to why Roxas, if he's Sora's Nobody, looks like Ven if he doesn't have Ven's body and soul.

~ -_- i wasn't talking about anything physical. it's like i said earlier, SUPERNATURAL as in not physical. but, if you wanna go that route, ven's physical appearence took over when sora became a heartless. and things don't have to be so instantanious. remember the "sora breaks all the rules" conversation we had earlier??
~ ok. where'd you get that mess? 3 nobodies? pfft.



Don't overestimate the power of a four year old who doesn't even have a Keyblade. At this point, Sora has nothing. No magic, no Keyblade, nothing. We have nothing to even suggest that Sora was chosen for the Keyblade prior to when he touched Riku's light in KH1. I don't know what you mean by this destiny stuff, but at this moment in time, Sora is nothing but a preschooler. There is nothing special about him.

Ven, on the other hand, is not only physically and mentally stronger than Sora, he also has a Keyblade, presumably knows some magic, and in general is a great deal more powerful than Sora is at this point in time. It doesn't make any sense as to why he would be so easily overpowered by a four year old who has nothing.

~ he never got in contact with one till he was 14. you don't have to have a keyblade yet. if you're destined to wield it, you're destined to wield it. *shakes fist* BEHOLD, THE POWAH OF DESTINEEE!!
 

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-_- i wasn't talking about anything physical. it's like i said earlier, SUPERNATURAL as in not physical. but, if you wanna go that route, ven's physical appearence took over when sora became a heartless

Why ten years later? Why not instantaneous? What halted this change to come about?

and things don't have to be so instantanious. remember the "sora breaks all the rules" conversation we had earlier??

We had no such conversation. :/

~ ok. where'd you get that mess? 3 nobodies? pfft

Sora already has two Nobodies coming from his own body and soul, Roxas and Namine. If Ven's body and soul were there two, wouldn't they have created a Nobody as well?

he never got in contact with one till he was 14. you don't have to have a keyblade yet. if you're destined to wield it, you're destined to wield it. *shakes fist* BEHOLD, THE POWAH OF DESTINEEE!!

Who ever said Sora was ever meant to wield the Keyblade? Riku was the one chosen for it, not Sora.
 

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~ he wasn't destined to wield the kingdom key. he was, however, destined to be a keybearer.

Why ten years later? Why not instantaneous? What halted this change to come about?

~ *looks up* ._. why does your text look like mine?? anyways, why'd the darkness have to swallow up his island and not my state? why does everything have to be tied with the kid in the first place? why's the kid so special? I DON'T KNOW. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TO FIND OUT.

We had no such conversation. :/

~ READ.

Sora already has two Nobodies coming from his own body and soul, Roxas and Namine. If Ven's body and soul were there two, wouldn't they have created a Nobody as well?

~ *shrugs* i don't know. xion could be that third nobody you're talkin' about.

Who ever said Sora was ever meant to wield the Keyblade? Riku was the one chosen for it, not Sora.

~ i should think it was obvious. the fact that the kid has a giant key in his hand in the first place should have somethin' to do with it.
 
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Well it is said that BBS is to make the Kingdom Hearts events inevitable so...Sora might have been made destined to wield, in a more indirect way possibly with his connections to Ven although Sora being destined to wield the KK-no.
 

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~ the BIG KEY IN HIS HAND.

Was he ever meant to wield that though? No. And you have nothing to prove that Sora was ever meant to be a Keyblade Wielder in the first place. Sure, he may have gotten the KK, but that wasn't until after it chose him over Riku and besides the fact that he was never meant to wield it in the first place.
 

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Um. It only appeared in his hand after he stole it from Riku. :/
 

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Sora didn't really steal it, Riku got dumped.

No. When DI was getting engulfed by darkness, Sora reached out and touched Riku's light and hence 'stole' the KK from him. Later on, at HB, it went back to Riku, then dumped him for Sora.
 

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Was he ever meant to wield that though? No. And you have nothing to prove that Sora was ever meant to be a Keyblade Wielder in the first place. Sure, he may have gotten the KK, but that wasn't until after it chose him over Riku and besides the fact that he was never meant to wield it in the first place.

~ correction: he was never meant to wield the kingdom key.

Um. It only appeared in his hand after he stole it from Riku. :/

~ it went to sora after riku chose darkness over light. the only person who stole a keyblade was xion, hun.
 

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No. When DI was getting engulfed by darkness, Sora reached out and touched Riku's light and hence 'stole' the KK from him. Later on, at HB, it went back to Riku, then dumped him for Sora.
That is what happened, but KK still chose to leave Riku for Sora.

Nobody knows what Xions keyblade is so there's nothing to prove she stole it.
 

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~ correction: he was never meant to wield the kingdom key.

Do you have anything to prove that he was meant to wield in general though?

~ it went to sora after riku chose darkness over light. the only person who stole a keyblade was xion, hun.

The Keyblade doesn't care whether you're aligned with light or with dark. It doesn't matter either way. What matters is the strength of your heart. At that moment in time, Sora's heart was stronger than Riku's which allowed him to take the KK away from him.

If Sora was really meant to wield the KK, then explain why it left him for Riku in HB?
 
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