Secret Ansem Reports

[xDENLINx]

Hello all.

K so the other day I was going through the Ansem Reports and I saw some interesting things which brought up some questions in my mind and thought i'd see if anyone could answer them for me.
So starting with Secret Ansem Report 3.

It appears my other five apprentices, believing it was for the sake of research, stared deep into the darkness and were pulled into it.
Even, Ienzo, Bleig, Dilin, and Eleus…
They have ceased to be human

I then continued to read the reports and found Secret Ansem Report 7, in which ATW said that "It appears my betrayers have retained their human forms as Nobodies, and are gathering more followers in hopes of furthering a new scheme. " So his apprentices are in the organization? I figured out Ienzo could be Zexion. and Even could be Vexen. What about the others? Has this ever been talked about? I don't think i've really paid to much attention to the apprentices before (except Xehanort lol)

Alrighty, moving on to secret Ansem report 2.

Upon his advice, I decided to review the data obtained at my basement lab.
That is when I discovered the “Ansem Reports.”
Though they bore my name, the only one I had written was number 0.
Apparently he had gone on to pen numbers 1 through 8 himself.

Is he talking about the Ansem Reports in Kh1? Yes I do realise there are more than 8 reports in kh1,
but it makes sense.

K so then there's Secret ansem report 9. Which says-

In other words, both the Nobody called Naminé and the Heartless—proof of a lost heart—are extremely unstable beings who lack the bodies needed to produce a Nobody.

Huh? Before he was saying she had no heartless, but what is this heartless he speaks of here? (sorry for all who came on this before when it said nobody. My bad)

Ok I think that's al lI had to ask. Please and thank you for the answers.x

 

[destinykh]

I then continued to read the reports and found Secret Ansem Report 7, in which ATW said that "It appears my betrayers have retained their human forms as Nobodies, and are gathering more followers in hopes of furthering a new scheme. " So his apprentices are in the organization? I figured out Ienzo could be Zexion. and Even could be Vexen. What about the others? Has this ever been talked about? I don't think i've really paid to much attention to the apprentices before (except Xehanort lol)

Yes, the first six members of the Org are the Nobodies of his apperentices. They are:

Xehanort - Xemnas
Xigbar - Braig (Bleig in the Reports, this is a typo made by the translators)
Xaldin - Dilan (Dilin, another typo)
Vexen - Even
Lexaeus - Aeleus (Eleus, yet another typo)
Zexion - Ienzo

Huh? Before he was saying se had no nobody, but what is this nobody he speaks of here?

Sorry, I don't understand you. What's se?

 

[Izayoi]

I then continued to read the reports and found Secret Ansem Report 7, in which ATW said that "It appears my betrayers have retained their human forms as Nobodies, and are gathering more followers in hopes of furthering a new scheme. " So his apprentices are in the organization? I figured out Ienzo could be Zexion. and Even could be Vexen. What about the others? Has this ever been talked about? I don't think i've really paid to much attention to the apprentices before (except Xehanort lol)

As said previously, Ansem's apprentices all ended up being the first six members of the Organization.

Is he talking about the Ansem Reports in Kh1? Yes I do realise there are more than 8 reports in kh1,
but it makes sense.

Since the Ansem Reports were the ones in KH1, then yes. Also I'm not sure of the number, but it must have been about 9 since that would be all of the 0-8 ones.

Huh? Before he was saying se had no nobody, but what is this nobody he speaks of here?

He is references Namine and the Heartless as a general term. Because Namine was made from Sora and Kairi's hearts, don't quote me on that, and Sora went back to his body whilst Roxas was created, Namine doesn't have a definite body to exist from. The same could be said for Heartless, because they're the heart and not the body.

 

[Smile]

Is he talking about the Ansem Reports in Kh1? Yes I do realise there are more than 8 reports in kh1,
but it makes sense.

Like sirnight said - 0 to 8. I guess they changed the numbers in KH1 in the NA version, and now they wish they hadn't. Or they were stupid enough to not change it accordingly in KH2.
0 Report was AtW's. 1-8 were Xehanort's.

Huh? Before he was saying se had no nobody, but what is this nobody he speaks of here?

Namine. And actually, he's been saying Namine was Kairi's Nobody for a while. It's how she came to be that had him so puzzled he went on trying to explain her through the greater part of the reports.
She's Kairi's Nobody. That much is certain due to her looks. Because Kairi's Body and Soul were still present all through KH1, Namine couldn't have used that as substance. Namine truly is made up of nothing. That never have nor will it ever bother AtW.
What did bother him was how this being made up of nothing still came to be, seeing how Kairi's B+S never underwent any process that might explain her being a by-product.
Sora transforming into a Heartless and casting off Roxas - who has his B+S, while at the same time releasing Kairi's Heart from within him, added up.
Kairi's Heart leaving Sora's B+S while he himself was becoming a Heartless and casting off Roxas would merit a by-product to be created.
Because Kairi and Sora's Hearts came in direct contact with each other (as opposed to fusing or something of that sort), Namine, despite being Kairi's Nobody, lacks any and all Memories, but still maintains a connection to Memories. Hailing from Sora's vessel instead of Kairi's, however, she has control over his Memories instead of Kairi's.

 

[xDENLINx]

Like sirnight said - 0 to 8. I guess they changed the numbers in KH1 in the NA version, and now they wish they hadn't. Or they were stupid enough to not change it accordingly in KH2.
0 Report was AtW's. 1-8 were Xehanort's.

Thought so. Thanks.

Namine. And actually, he's been saying Namine was Kairi's Nobody for a while. It's how she came to be that had him so puzzled he went on trying to explain her through the greater part of the reports.
She's Kairi's Nobody. That much is certain due to her looks. Because Kairi's Body and Soul were still present all through KH1, Namine couldn't have used that as substance. Namine truly is made up of nothing. That never have nor will it ever bother AtW.
What did bother him was how this being made up of nothing still came to be, seeing how Kairi's B+S never underwent any process that might explain her being a by-product.
Sora transforming into a Heartless and casting off Roxas - who has his B+S, while at the same time releasing Kairi's Heart from within him, added up.
Kairi's Heart leaving Sora's B+S while he himself was becoming a Heartless and casting off Roxas would merit a by-product to be created.
Because Kairi and Sora's Hearts came in direct contact with each other (as opposed to fusing or something of that sort), Namine, despite being Kairi's Nobody, lacks any and all Memories, but still maintains a connection to Memories. Hailing from Sora's vessel instead of Kairi's, however, she has control over his Memories instead of Kairi's.

Woopsies, that was a typo on my part. I meant to ask what is this heartless he speaks of :23: But thank you so much for explaining it to me in that detail. Namine's a pretty big mistery eh? Reckon she'll be explained as to why she is?

 

[Smile]

Woopsies, that was a typo on my part. I meant to ask what is this heartless he speaks of :23: But thank you so much for explaining it to me in that detail. Namine's a pretty big mistery eh? Reckon she'll be explained as to why she is?

Lol, Xion reference.
Seriously though, it's probably just one of the many mistranslations the game's riddled with. Until further explored to tell us otherwise, I wouldn't put too much hope in it.

 

[Sparks]

Xemnas=Ansem
Dilan=Xaldin
Ienzo=Zexion
Even= Vexen
Aeleus=Lexaeus
Braig=Xigbar

Xehanort is actually Another. If you take out the X and move around the letters a little bit then you get another. I couldn't find another word to match it.

 

[Smile]

Xehanort is actually Another. If you take out the X and move around the letters a little bit then you get another. I couldn't find another word to match it.

No Heart is another meaning Nomura mentioned at one point in time.

 

[Crossroads]

No Heart is another meaning Nomura mentioned at one point in time.

Why would they give him the name no heart when he had a heart?

 

[shadowmind]

Namine. And actually, he's been saying Namine was Kairi's Nobody for a while. It's how she came to be that had him so puzzled he went on trying to explain her through the greater part of the reports.
She's Kairi's Nobody. That much is certain due to her looks. Because Kairi's Body and Soul were still present all through KH1, Namine couldn't have used that as substance. Namine truly is made up of nothing. That never have nor will it ever bother AtW.
What did bother him was how this being made up of nothing still came to be, seeing how Kairi's B+S never underwent any process that might explain her being a by-product.
Sora transforming into a Heartless and casting off Roxas - who has his B+S, while at the same time releasing Kairi's Heart from within him, added up.
Kairi's Heart leaving Sora's B+S while he himself was becoming a Heartless and casting off Roxas would merit a by-product to be created.
Because Kairi and Sora's Hearts came in direct contact with each other (as opposed to fusing or something of that sort), Namine, despite being Kairi's Nobody, lacks any and all Memories, but still maintains a connection to Memories. Hailing from Sora's vessel instead of Kairi's, however, she has control over his Memories instead of Kairi's.

Hey thanks!(even though you weren't intending to help me lol) i've always wondered about namine's character because she always seemed mysterious(about how she came to be), your idea helped me understand her character a bit more =)

 

[Radon]

Why would they give him the name no heart when he had a heart?

And we would know how? Maybe because hes so evil?

 

[Smile]

Why would they give him the name no heart when he had a heart?

It's metaphorical. And Xehanort is a weird guy. Who knows how he came to be. It just might relate to that.

 

[Muse]

Why would they give him the name no heart when he had a heart?

Hm. I don't know. :v

Heartless are actually the hearts.
Nobodies are actually the bodies (and souls)

It's more than likely another one of those metaphorical meanings we have in KH.

 

[Sparks]

I thought that nobodies didn't have souls? That they were just bodies?

No Heart could probably be since he studied the heartless. No Heart, Heartless?
I'm just taking a guess.

 

[Muse]

I thought that nobodies didn't have souls? That they were just bodies?

If the body and soul were to ever be separate, the body would perish. Hence, the body and soul stick together and become Nobodies.

No Heart could probably be since he studied the heartless. No Heart, Heartless?
I'm just taking a guess.

It could have a meaning like the Heartless. Since the name refers to them being cruel and acting on instinct, then I wouldn't put it past them to use that meaning for No Heart as well.

 

[Urbane]

I thought that nobodies didn't have souls? That they were just bodies?

No Heart could probably be since he studied the heartless. No Heart, Heartless?
I'm just taking a guess.

Nobodies are the body and soul, and Heartless are the heart, but encased in all the darkness that was in the heart when it was taken from the body. A body without a soul = dead.

 

[Sparks]

Oh now I get it.