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Ehres

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I don't get the American health care system. What exactly was it like before, and what exactly did Obama change?
 

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Oh noo all my freedoms are leaving me! Ahhh it's socialist America!

Something like this needs to happen, the US healthcare system is severely kupoed up, we need reform.
 

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So it is unconsitutional for government to force people to buy health care but it is consitutional to force people to pay a tax to support it. Is that what its telling us or am im missing something?
 

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So it is unconsitutional for government to force people to buy health care but it is consitutional to force people to pay a tax to support it. Is that what its telling us or am im missing something?

No you got it. That's something I've always said too, people bitch and complain about "omg they're forcing us', do you not realize that there are other things that are being 'forced' or that are mandatory as well. Kuoping auto insurance is forced but we don't have people protesting that is is unconstitutional.
 

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But why don't you do a system like they do here in England where each person pays a certain percentage of their tax towards the state's healthcare system, and then you can get healthcare for free. Tax would be proportional to annual income. Those earning under a certain amount could get free prescribed medicines, or the elderly, or those in education while others pay for prescribed meds at a reasonable price.

???
 

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But why don't you do a system like they do here in England where each person pays a certain percentage of their tax towards the state's healthcare system, and then you can get healthcare for free. Tax would be proportional to annual income. Those earning under a certain amount could get free prescribed medicines, or the elderly, or those in education while others pay for prescribed meds at a reasonable price.

???


Because America is very individualistic.
 

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So it is unconsitutional for government to force people to buy health care but it is consitutional to force people to pay a tax to support it. Is that what its telling us or am im missing something?

It's constitutional for Congress to tax you. You don't have to have a car to be taxed for roads.
 

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Thank you cause it's true then it's that old saying people are afraid of change even if certain changes would help us out in the long-term such as this.
 

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Republican meltdowns are going to be a joy to watch today.
 

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I like the 10% tax on indoor tanning booths lol.

My facebook will not shut the kupo up about this. Suddenly America is ruined.

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My main problem with this is the fact that our healthcare system is still weird and broken, even if Obamacare is constitutional.
 

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What scares me is the price tag of it on the American federal budget. Wouldn't this cost millions? What if it drives us further and further into debt?
I mean, I understand the idea of free health care for everyone is a great idea, but technically it isn't free. If we have to pay for insurance anyways, what's the point of being on a government plan through taxes? You're still paying for it. What's the difference besides where you get it from?
IDK if this is true, but wouldn't this eventually make other companies go bankrupt, thus forcing people to buy government healthcare because that's the only source of it left? Or am I getting it wrong? Where will health care companies stand, eventually? And if they go bankrupt, then wouldn't that lose more jobs? I'm not very well versed in economics, so could someone tell me?
IDK, this idea of government healthcare seems too good to be true.
 

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What scares me is the price tag of it on the American federal budget. Wouldn't this cost millions? What if it drives us further and further into debt?
I mean, I understand the idea of free health care for everyone is a great idea, but technically it isn't free. If we have to pay for insurance anyways, what's the point of being on a government plan through taxes? You're still paying for it. What's the difference besides where you get it from?
IDK if this is true, but wouldn't this eventually make other companies go bankrupt, thus forcing people to buy government healthcare because that's the only source of it left? Or am I getting it wrong? Where will health care companies stand, eventually? And if they go bankrupt, then wouldn't that lose more jobs? I'm not very well versed in economics, so could someone tell me?
IDK, this idea of government healthcare seems too good to be true.
The difference is that everyone is paying, not just some. Right now it cost me about $400 a month for insurance on my own (no medical history or current). I used to have insurance thru my job last year and paid $30 a month. Why? Because there is many people under this plan whereas my individual is so high because it is just me.

And anything regardless is going to cost us money. I'm really tired of both sides calling each other out on this specifically: we are in debt, tremendous debt (nothing new) and there is nothing that is going to change anything immediately or even soon, just realize that things may be shitty for a decade or more. The only way something like this would get solved in a short time period (a decade) like how so many think it can, we would need to discover some kupoing lost gold mine or confiscate some mega diamond/ or discover something scientifically like gravity manipulation. My bit is this, that debt number is HUGE, even if Bill Gates coughed up 25 billion dollars to help us out, that would hardly even make a chip. And to most people, 25 billion is an immense amount and if that would barely reduce it why should I think that this is something that will be alleviated soon. It won't, not for a long time. I'm not saying don't try or don't become more frugal, but just realize that this is where the choices that have been made have led us.
 

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CBO estimates (non-partisan) say it'll bring the deficit down in the long-run.

IDK, this idea of government healthcare seems too good to be true.

Every first-world country has a form of either government healthcare (which isn't what this is) or a mandate to buy from private insurers (which is what this is) except America. Until now, anyway.
 

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Kuoping auto insurance is forced but we don't have people protesting that is is unconstitutional.

Auto insurance is irrelevant to this. You only need auto insurance if you're going to drive because when you start to drive you're taking up a new responsiblity that can hurt other's fatally. You don't have to have a car. With forcing you to buy health insurance, there's no other option.

But why don't you do a system like they do here in England where each person pays a certain percentage of their tax towards the state's healthcare system, and then you can get healthcare for free. Tax would be proportional to annual income. Those earning under a certain amount could get free prescribed medicines, or the elderly, or those in education while others pay for prescribed meds at a reasonable price.

???

How could you even propose such an ideal?! That's SOCIALISM.
SOCIALISM IS EVIL AND SATANIC.

Because America is very individualistic.

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Yeah, it's why Roberts didn't uphold it under the Commerce Clause (although all 4 liberal Justices did, predictably). Congress can tax you, however, and you effectively get a tax break if you buy insurance.
 

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Auto insurance is irrelevant to this. You only need auto insurance if you're going to drive because when you start to drive you're taking up a new responsiblity that can hurt other's fatally. You don't have to have a car. With forcing you to buy health insurance, there's no other option.
It's irrelevant to health care but not irrelevant to when someone makes the argument that this reform is being forced. Auto insurance is forced and you don't see people largely protesting it. Most people drive cars, most people want to drive a car, a part of the 'american dream' is to be able to drive a car, most wealthy people drive cars, most people drive cars, the societal norm is to drive a car, people drive cars.
 

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the best part is all the americans complaining about it on fb and saying they want to move to canada now

haha
 
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