So Xenmas... Spoilers

[Samhain]

Im pretty sure it goes like this.

Terra's heart- LS
Terra's body+ soul- Xehanort

MX's heart- Xehanort.

Which would mean that Xemnas is Terra's nobody and Xehanort's heartless is MX's heart.


Is that right?

ye prob.

but rly xemnas is terra's nobody but not really terra's nobody. xemnas lacks everything that terra is besides body wise but thats it.

 

[_EX]

ye prob.

but rly xemnas is terra's nobody but not really terra's nobody. xemnas lacks everything that terra is besides body wise but thats it.

Are you referring to Xemnas' personality?

The nobodies just act like how they were as sombodies. Since his somebody was MX (he was the personality in that body), Xemnas acts like MX, only because he remembers the memories from his heart (MX's heart).

 

[Heltage]

Are you referring to Xemnas' personality?

The nobodies just act like how they were as sombodies. Since his somebody was MX (he was the personality in that body), Xemnas acts like MX, only because he remembers the memories from his heart (MX's heart).

Actually, he may not remember much of his past life:

Xemnas: I need... more rage... I need more... hearts...
Sora: Xemnas. There's more to a heart than just anger or hate. It's full of all kinds of feelings. Don't you remember?
Xemnas: Unfortunately... I don't.

I came to think that Xemnas has memories of both Terra and MX interconected, while some others are missing. Having no heart which can order his memories, he thinks of himself as a different being than MX or Terra, thus, he has no conciousness of have been Terra nor MX, just another person. It also may explain why his name is Xemnas and not Xerart/Naxhortex(ie), he may think of himself as someone whose name was Ansem.

 

[kirabook]

Maybe even the "memories" Xemnas does have were told to him by Braig/Xigbar. I'm sure some fragments of both Terra's and MX's memories returned to Xemnas, but I also get the feeling that Braig/Xigbar filled his head but a bunch of crap, which probably got him interested in the darkness stuff anyway.
All of that (the Braig/Xigbar factor) could have even been a part of MX plan... but I believe I'm getting off topic...

 

[MeggieKeyblader]

and i seriously don't get how u think terra is xehanort without mx. that is impossible. terra reverts back to his original form with brown hair, blue eyes, etc if mx' heart is out of his own body.

and its pretty damn obvious who takes over. MX. the heart takes control of ur entire existance. whoever thinks terra is the heart and controller of xehanort the apprentice is a complete moron. seriously.

You need to calm down, it's just a game. Accept that everyone has different opinions, and don't blatantly say that people are morons just because they don't agree with you.

Or that he wasn't about to give into Master Xehanort just yet. The fact we see both of them standing there must mean Terra's heart is inside of Xehanort just like Xehanort. If it wasn't, Terra wouldn't have been there. Basically a power struggle is about to occur of the wills of the two men's hearts.

I agree with this, the secret ending proves this by showing that both MX and Terra are inside of Xehanort, not just Terra's body. Terra's not giving up just yet. I think in the next game we'll find out when, or if, he gave up trying to control his body.

 

[Relix]

I think Terranort's memories a train wreck. I believe MX was the most dominant influence in Terranort but his memories weren't in tact they way it should, like how Namine would put it, the links(of both Terra and MX) in his chain of memories are there just not connected. Xemnas is the nobody of Terra AND MX he is the nobody of Terranort but with Terra's body. Terranort's "Heartless" is MX's heart

 

[kirabook]

Speaking of Namine, we know she can control Sora's memories and everyone's that connected to him, so if he has to the power to connect to anyone's heart, can she control everyone's memories?

 

[MeggieKeyblader]

I think Terranort's memories a train wreck. I believe MX was the most dominant influence in Terranort but his memories weren't in tact they way it should, like how Namine would put it, the links(of both Terra and MX) in his chain of memories are there just not connected.

That's exactly how I was thinking of it. After Aqua fought him and Terra controlled him for a little and stabbed himself with the keyblade, I think that messed up Terranort big time. He's just a mess of fragments from both MX and Terra... mostly MX though, as seen through his personality and goals.

 

[Kentsu13]

i wanan say that LS may have terra heart (probably not the whole thing just a fragment or connection to it) and wen terra stabbed himself he mite have released his heart ( the terra and MX mtie have happened before aquas fight or do we have a specific date of wen that happened?)

 

[fantasy08]

I honestly don't see why people keep thinking the LS is Terra's heart. I can see why one would make that mistake before we got the secret ending, but now? The ending( and Aqua's Final Episode) practically beat us over the head that Terra's heart is indeed still inside of his body. It just has two other occupants now. MX and ME. The Lingering Sentiment( dues ex machina as it was) is just what it's name says. A sentiment. A fleeting, but strong will that animated armor. There's no soul in there. No heart. If it was then what would be the point of the secret ending, and Xenmas wouldn't have ever been made. Since he needs a lose heart( Terra's?) and a soul( Terra's?) to do so.

Xenmas is like Namine to me now. Who and w.t.f. is he really? He has to be Terra's nobody (which just made Terra's story even more tragic) because he's obviously Terra's body just without a heart,but his personality is so much like MX's that it makes me think that he pulled a Ven and only has the appearance of Terra, but is really MX's nobody, and then where does ME come into all this? Since Sora destroyed MX's heartless and Terra's nobody who is coming back? The heart that would reconnect with Terra's nobody to make a whole being would be MX's not Terra's. So where is Terra's heart? Kingdom Hearts? How will he get his body back if Sora destroys it yet again? How will MX finally die if he doesn't? Ugh Nomura made Xenmas( and the whole story in general) more convoluted then it needed to be.

 

[MeggieKeyblader]

Ugh Nomura made Xenmas( and the whole story in general) more convoluted then it needed to be.

I agree, he definitely made things wayyy to confusing... in a way it's good, it adds mystery and speculation, but it can get overwhelming and irrelevant at times.


And yeah, I'm pretty sure that Terranort holds both MX's and Terra's hearts, although MX's is more prominent (maybe because he's naturally a stronger person?). The secret ending supports this claim. Terra and MX seem to be internally fighting inside Terranort, and his buggout before the fight with Aqua, and a somber-faced Braig says he sees Terra in Xehanort and Xehanort gives him a weird, almost saddened look. This doesn't really look like a MX expression, but he lost his memories, so that could be why.

But I'm still not sure... didn't Terra say 'I don't care about my body anymore.' But then he contradicts himself...