[SPOILER] KH2.8 discussion

[Sephiroth0812]

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Someone english subbed the last scene of 0.2 (That one with Riku, Mickey and Sora). Here, on Vimeo.

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Kairi is right, lol, Riku's really taking a page out of Sora's book and I love how upset he gets when he realized Aqua's suffering is continuing because she saved him.
Actual acknowledgement for the sacrifices of the BBS crew is so refreshing to see (now Terra and Ven need something similar along the plot, lol).

I'm also very much reminded of Harry Potter chewing out Dumbledore about keeping secrets like that when Riku confronts Yen Sid about it...and Yen Sid's answer is equally as wonderful when he points out that if he had said something, both Riku and Sora would have rushed out and try to save Aqua before being ready.
Just lovely stuff...if only the entire series would have dialogue and interaction on this level. ^__^

And loool at pouty Sora, well dude, Donald IS kind of right and since you won't reveal what exactly you were doing (having a chat inside your own heart with Roxas, Xion and Ven perhaps and forgetting that time continues to flow outside? Or taking some rides with some Dream Eaters and too forgetting time?) no one can say if your tardiness is actually justified, rofl.

These translations certainly help things greatly along to understand the significance of these scenes.
I wonder though what this "place of pain where there is one that sleeps" Yen Sid mentions is supposed to mean. Is he speaking about Ventus?
Would certainly fit, yet Ven isn't the only one Sora is supposed to save, although by now it seems that we do can scratch Aqua from the list in regards to Sora as Riku and Mickey will cover that (which I am strangely okay with as it may lead to some very interesting Riku/Aqua interactions and possibly bonding).
Not that I would complain if Yen Sid is speaking primarily of Ven as the supposed special bond between him and Sora is something I'm highly interested to see developed and fleshed out for years.

Eh, so the new powers Sora needs to rescue the tormented ones are incomplete due to his fall to Darkness and Xehanort trying to body-surf him resetted his abilities...bad luck here spiky-head, I'm actually starting to feel somewhat sorry for Sora to always having his powers and abilities reset. <__<

(I also don't know what people are complaining about Sora's character model, I think he looks absolutely cute and gorgeous, only the lighting is a little off when the camera focuses directly on his face from the front)

Ansem's data being mentioned again is also a nice touch, weaving a consistent line between Blank Points in BBS, Re: Coded and DDD. Yen Sid mentioning that he enlisted the help of Chip and Dale is also a nice nod to them being not only the Gummi Ship mechanics but also Disney Castle's resident computer geeks as they operated the computer in Re: Coded and helped with the digitizing of Jiminy's Journal.
This possibly means that another visit to Disney Castle isn't out of the question in order to check out how far the chipmunks have come with Ansem's data.

Also "new Mark of Mastery Test", Yen Sid, you clever old owl. I bet once Sora passed this "test" there will be another suitcase conjured like with Mickey and Riku and it will contain Sora's new KH III duds.

And Sora grasped something in an instant for once, rofl, and his "victory poses" on it are priceless, only to go right back to clueless a scene later in the Gummi ship.
"The hero who regained his powers", obviously Hercules, lol.

Hahaha, and "wisecracking" Goofy is back as well, being yet again the most perceptive of them and pushing Sora to realize what to do...priceless.

 

[ultima-demi]

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Why the hell does Sora look so much better in gummi ship section part,feels like they took that scene right outta 3

At multiple angles he looks so close to his CGI render of the announcement trailer,which is amazing and this is before they reworked the models etc too.

If that scene is anything to go by there's really nothing to worry about with 3.

 

[qbaysan]

BIG SPOILERS ALERT BACK COVER ONLY. THIS IS AN EXPANDED SUMMARY OF BACK COVER.

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To be honest, it did seem like nothing much happened visually, but some of the conversations particularly on Gula's and Luxu's side are slightly big, such as another hint of the identity of the traitor that wasn't shown in Browser X.

Anyway to start with, each Foreteller+Luxu was assigned tasks by the MoM which are titled in a way "Case of":
Ira-be the leader of the foretellers.
Aced-support Ira.
Invi-Monitor the the rest of the foretellers and make sure they get along
Gula-Find and get rid of the traitor and trust no one. Also, he's the only one to be given the 'lost page' to kickstart his task.
Ava-Be the hope, and make a group composed of exceptional people separate from her union to be saved from the keyblade apocalypse.
Luxu-Survive past the Keyblade apocalypse and go far through the future(?). Also pass on "No Name" keyblade to his disciples.

Also note how that the phrase "May your heart be your guiding light" is repeated plenty of times at the conclusion/resolution of most cases of the foretellers.

So far here's what actually happens:

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Ira-As we all know, to those who watched it already, he barely had screen time and he barely acted as a proper leader too. Instead of keeping the group together and lead them to prevent the apocalypse as he wished, he kinda got obsessed with finding the traitor, which at the beginning spilled the beans about it and accused that one of the foretellers is the traitor. Of course, Ava and surprisingly Aced actually disagrees with him, they believe there's no traitor within the foretellers.

Although Ira believes that the one who holds the lost page might as well be the traitor too, as far as I could remember.

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Also, for his sin name, it's interesting. While he seems calm and Aced fits Ira's wrath name more, Ava actually hinted that Ira does fit his name. Ava said at some point when Ira was telling her to hand over Gula, Ira had a scary look at his face.

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Aced-One of the most interesting cases in Back Cover for me and probably the main reason why local Back Cover plot conflict happens, so his is going to be long.

Of course, he barely supported Ira. When MoM assigned that task, he told Aced that Ira's going to be the leader of the group once he's gone. Of course he's surprised with both of the news, but more importantly, Aced desired to be the leader, that's why he was slightly disappointed. Of course MoM told him his personality isn't really leader-like, but he did say that if Ira isn't available, Aced should be his substitute. That's what he also meant with the support besides just supporting Ira in general.

Unfortunately, as time passed and when Ira pointed out that one of foretellers is the traitor, tension increased between them leading Aced to think Ira's overthinking makes him incompetent, which he then decides to form a separate Alliance. Surprisingly, the purpose of the Alliance was to unite the unions and prepare against the threat of Darkness. He first told this one to Gula and Ava, but only Gula agreed to join in on the alliance. Ava and eventually when Invi came in, both disagree with him because forming an alliance was forbidden by the MoM himself.

Invi's argument with Aced here is also interesting to me. Invi told the reason why an alliance was forbidden was because it will cause an imbalance of power within the unions causing one to be superior than the others which then connects to the darkness, or something like that. She then accuses that Aced may be the one harboring Darkness himself.

Aced argued back that what about her, she keeps observing them and then reports to Ira her findings. He then accuses her of being a spy, to which Invi retorts that it was her task given by the MoM. But Aced clarifies that her task was just to observe, there is no need to report to Ira at all, which is true actually. Then Aced proceeds to accuse her of a possible conspiracy scheme between her and Ira, which Invi isn't amused at all with the accusation. Note: This is the reason why he didn't call Ira and Invi to join in in this conversation.

Anyway, time marches on, and Gula finally decides to cancel the alliance with Aced, to Aced's surprise. Gula's reason for joining was because he agreed with the alliance purpose of "preparing against the Darkness" but the reason why he decided to call it quits because they still can't find the traitor. He also dropped that Invi told him to quit it with the alliance, which further aggravated Aced increasing even more tension against him and Invi.

He then decides to attack Invi and demands her the reason why she gets in his way. Invi then tells him that it's because he's ruining the MoM's teachings. Then after that was the trailer lines between Invi and Aced. Aced at this point is in the height of his arrogance because he now believes he's the only one who can 'save' this world, the 'savior'. So after that Gula and Ava comes in and Invi tells them the traitor is Aced so they beat him up.

Soon after in hiding, Gula confronts him and tells that his task was to eradicate the traitor and he has the lost page, but unfortunately for Gula, Aced still has strength left in him so he got beaten up instead. After Ava preventing him from finishing Gula he then decides to go away and eventually encounters Ira.

They somehow made up together, like Ira forgiving Aced, but Aced tells on about how Gula holds the 'lost page' painting him as the traitor instead. This got Ira pissed as commented by Ava.

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Invi-As Aced said, she did her job of monitoring but she failed in making everyone get along.

Her problem was she kept reporting to Ira every findings she could get. This also caused her an argument with Ava because she told where Gula was resting to Ira. She then accuses of Ava doing something off behind their backs too like gathering other people and training them where not even the foretellers cannot find. Of course, Ava barks back that it was the task given to her by the MoM in the first place. To which they eventually cooled down.

Invi then asked her Gula's whereabouts to which Ava replies he isn't in this area anymore. This is where Ava also commented Ira's scary look on his face. Note: After this, presumably Ava flashed back because of Gula still being there and her meeting up with Ira.

Ava then asks her what she's going to do now that things are escalating to a war, to which Invi says she'll just keep collecting Lux. She thinks it would help.

Also note, Invi was the one to accuse Aced of being the traitor first and telling this to Ira first too. Most of her arguments are in Aced's notes.

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Lastly some personal reflection with names, I think they switched up Invi and Aced's names. Invi seemed lazy with her work actually and Aced had hints of envy towards Ira because of his position as leader.

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Gula-His case is the one that extends to the overall plot of X/UX actually. Particularly the identity of the traitor and well stuff.

I've already explained his movements with Aced on Aced's case so there's no need to go over all that again. But just to note, his reason for joining Aced's alliance is because he agreed with the purpose, but called it quits because much time has passed and still no traitor in sight.

Anyway the MoM gives him and only him the copy of the 'lost page'. And that conversation with Ava gives us another hint written in the lost page that wasn't in browser X.

"THE TRAITOR BEARS THE RECUSANT'S SIGIL"

After telling Ava how he failed at his mission of not being able to find and eradicate the traitor, who he kind of thinks is Aced because of Invi, but now doubts because he still doesn't understand what the Recusant's sigil means. Ava tells him she isn't really interested in all that. She too just wants to do her assigned task.

But then Gula handholds Ava tightly and tells her what he's going to do next instead.

Gula wants to summon Kingdom Hearts.

He believes by summoning Kingdom Hearts, MoM will come back immediately again and prevent the Apocalyptic prophecy from happening. Ava of course argues that it's forbidden. But Gula argues back that that's exactly the reason why MoM will return immediately because it IS forbidden. So Gula then asks Ava to cooperate with her. Unfortunately, Ava declines.

Ava was right to decline it after all. She says she doesn't know what Kingdom Hearts really and truly can do, like us KH fans.

Gula then decides to leave, and according to Ava has proceeded to gather more Lux.

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Some note about Gula, he's actually smart according to MoM. When MoM gave him his task, Gula then immediately deduced the reason why they were given separate tasks instead was so whoever moves differently from their tasks, that's where they can find the traitor.

Oh well, the all moved differently from their tasks in the end anyway. Maybe except for Luxu? Who knows?

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Ava-Nothing much really happens with Ava other than protecting Gula and disagrees and argues with everyone in favor of just following the MoM's orders. It's probably because most of her plot happens in the games themselves. However, we do see a side of her due to being in high-end 3d technology graphics.

While she may appear confident in the games, she's actually quite hesitant here. Makes sense since she's facing the other foretellers, not us players.

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With her task, I think it's up to us to decide whether she pulled it off well or not. Personally I think she did pull it off well unlike the other foretellers. Was that what Nomura meant with the gun trigger? But then once she executed the Dandelions project, she went off and did her own thing as seen in browser X. But then what about Unchained X? That's where we'll find out I guess.

I find it cute too how both she and Gula teased Aced that he's the most dangerous based on his face at the beginning parts of the movie. It's for some reason, much more simple yet convincing compared to BBS' cheesy friendship lines.

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Luxu- Luxu's also interesting since his case extends to KH3.

His keyblade the "No Name" given by the MoM has an eye on the blade. While Luxu calls it the "Gazing Eye", MoM says the blade doesn't really have a name. Thus Luxu calls it the "No Name".

MoM proceeds to tell that 'Gazing Eye' there is actually his own Eye.

Of course Luxu reacted on disgust but anyway MoM instructs him to live past the apocalypse and pass that keyblade to his disciples. He says that Keyblade is what lets him see the future itself. That is MoM's secret recipe for predicting the future.

Also the reason why he wasn't given a book was because it might create a paradox, since he's the only MoM disciple that gets to live safely away from the war and proceed to the next era.

MoM also tells Luxu to start traveling once something happens between the foretellers and tells him to bring the box. However, he tells Luxu to never open the box, ever. Luxu is curious anyway, so MoM whispers to him things to which Luxu replies, "That's bad!"

Then after that, that's where we see him on the desert bringing the box with him.

Anyway, so far, I like how the script is a bit better than KHBBS actually. Although it still feels lacking overall. But hey, it was fun looking at the new graphics.

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You know, it could just be me, but maybe there's a reason why Skuld isn't here? There's two reasons I could think off:
(1)Maybe the movie was already done when Skuld's design was revealed or
(2)That this might actually have been the 1st iteration of the events based on X's credits.

The second one is interesting to me because if it's 1st iteration, then the friend Ephemera mentions he made might've been Skuld before she was Unchained.

Meaning, when we met Skuld, she's actually already Unchained just like Ephemera already, except they're there to guide others for awakening. Okay who knows? Just my two cents. Haha

 

[rokudamia2]

Oh wow that's really interesting.
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It seems like the master mAy be the real villain of the series.

 

[Muke]

Thank you so much!! This is so interesting

 

[stareyedprince]

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I figured we were missing something due to lack of translations, but I didn't think it was THAT much. Thanks for the summary!!

A bit of a side note, but I'm kind of glad there aren't a lot of plot twists in 2.8. While I liked DDD, there was just too much information being thrown around. Here it feels like they're just filling the blanks and adding some teases for KH3.

 

[Beamer]

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Ansem's data being mentioned again is also a nice touch, weaving a consistent line between Blank Points in BBS, Re: Coded and DDD. Yen Sid mentioning that he enlisted the help of Chip and Dale is also a nice nod to them being not only the Gummi Ship mechanics but also Disney Castle's resident computer geeks as they operated the computer in Re: Coded and helped with the digitizing of Jiminy's Journal.
This possibly means that another visit to Disney Castle isn't out of the question in order to check out how far the chipmunks have come with Ansem's data.

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I'm starting to think that maybe this could function in a similar fashion to the Ansem/Xehanort reports in the previous game. You beat a particular world, Chip and Dale reward you with another part of the data that's been decoded.

 

[Hirokey123]

....wait...

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It's the MoM's literal eye? >_< Ewwwwwwwwwww...also who has an eye like that a dragon? heh...

Anyway I'm starting to think we don't have two blades called No Name, but rather No Name is a classification because these blades don't have a name.

Oh recusant sigil that's why everyone is being made to hide their faces isn't it? One of them must bear a recusant sigil on their face like Saix.

 

[Sora2016]

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So I finally gave in and watched the ending of 0.2 lol. I realize this is off topic of the Chi stuff but Sora definitely says Olympus by name right before they go through the portal. So that definitely confirms it as the first world at least as Sora in KH3. We could play as someone else to address what others were saying, that they may usually have an original world as like a "buffer" before the first Disney world.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

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BIG SPOILERS ALERT BACK COVER ONLY. THIS IS AN EXPANDED SUMMARY OF BACK COVER.

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To be honest, it did seem like nothing much happened visually, but some of the conversations particularly on Gula's and Luxu's side are slightly big, such as another hint of the identity of the traitor that wasn't shown in Browser X.

Anyway to start with, each Foreteller+Luxu was assigned tasks by the MoM which are titled in a way "Case of":
Ira-be the leader of the foretellers.
Aced-support Ira.
Invi-Monitor the the rest of the foretellers and make sure they get along
Gula-Find and get rid of the traitor and trust no one. Also, he's the only one to be given the 'lost page' to kickstart his task.
Ava-Be the hope, and make a group composed of exceptional people separate from her union to be saved from the keyblade apocalypse.
Luxu-Survive past the Keyblade apocalypse and go far through the future(?). Also pass on "No Name" keyblade to his disciples.

Also note how that the phrase "May your heart be your guiding light" is repeated plenty of times at the conclusion/resolution of most cases of the foretellers.

So far here's what actually happens:

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*Cases with very important plot points.

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Ira-As we all know, to those who watched it already, he barely had screen time and he barely acted as a proper leader too. Instead of keeping the group together and lead them to prevent the apocalypse as he wished, he kinda got obsessed with finding the traitor, which at the beginning spilled the beans about it and accused that one of the foretellers is the traitor. Of course, Ava and surprisingly Aced actually disagrees with him, they believe there's no traitor within the foretellers.

Although Ira believes that the one who holds the lost page might as well be the traitor too, as far as I could remember.

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Also, for his sin name, it's interesting. While he seems calm and Aced fits Ira's wrath name more, Ava actually hinted that Ira does fit his name. Ava said at some point when Ira was telling her to hand over Gula, Ira had a scary look at his face.

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Aced-One of the most interesting cases in Back Cover for me and probably the main reason why local Back Cover plot conflict happens, so his is going to be long.

Of course, he barely supported Ira. When MoM assigned that task, he told Aced that Ira's going to be the leader of the group once he's gone. Of course he's surprised with both of the news, but more importantly, Aced desired to be the leader, that's why he was slightly disappointed. Of course MoM told him his personality isn't really leader-like, but he did say that if Ira isn't available, Aced should be his substitute. That's what he also meant with the support besides just supporting Ira in general.

Unfortunately, as time passed and when Ira pointed out that one of foretellers is the traitor, tension increased between them leading Aced to think Ira's overthinking makes him incompetent, which he then decides to form a separate Alliance. Surprisingly, the purpose of the Alliance was to unite the unions and prepare against the threat of Darkness. He first told this one to Gula and Ava, but only Gula agreed to join in on the alliance. Ava and eventually when Invi came in, both disagree with him because forming an alliance was forbidden by the MoM himself.

Invi's argument with Aced here is also interesting to me. Invi told the reason why an alliance was forbidden was because it will cause an imbalance of power within the unions causing one to be superior than the others which then connects to the darkness, or something like that. She then accuses that Aced may be the one harboring Darkness himself.

Aced argued back that what about her, she keeps observing them and then reports to Ira her findings. He then accuses her of being a spy, to which Invi retorts that it was her task given by the MoM. But Aced clarifies that her task was just to observe, there is no need to report to Ira at all, which is true actually. Then Aced proceeds to accuse her of a possible conspiracy scheme between her and Ira, which Invi isn't amused at all with the accusation. Note: This is the reason why he didn't call Ira and Invi to join in in this conversation.

Anyway, time marches on, and Gula finally decides to cancel the alliance with Aced, to Aced's surprise. Gula's reason for joining was because he agreed with the alliance purpose of "preparing against the Darkness" but the reason why he decided to call it quits because they still can't find the traitor. He also dropped that Invi told him to quit it with the alliance, which further aggravated Aced increasing even more tension against him and Invi.

He then decides to attack Invi and demands her the reason why she gets in his way. Invi then tells him that it's because he's ruining the MoM's teachings. Then after that was the trailer lines between Invi and Aced. Aced at this point is in the height of his arrogance because he now believes he's the only one who can 'save' this world, the 'savior'. So after that Gula and Ava comes in and Invi tells them the traitor is Aced so they beat him up.

Soon after in hiding, Gula confronts him and tells that his task was to eradicate the traitor and he has the lost page, but unfortunately for Gula, Aced still has strength left in him so he got beaten up instead. After Ava preventing him from finishing Gula he then decides to go away and eventually encounters Ira.

They somehow made up together, like Ira forgiving Aced, but Aced tells on about how Gula holds the 'lost page' painting him as the traitor instead. This got Ira pissed as commented by Ava.

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Invi-As Aced said, she did her job of monitoring but she failed in making everyone get along.

Her problem was she kept reporting to Ira every findings she could get. This also caused her an argument with Ava because she told where Gula was resting to Ira. She then accuses of Ava doing something off behind their backs too like gathering other people and training them where not even the foretellers cannot find. Of course, Ava barks back that it was the task given to her by the MoM in the first place. To which they eventually cooled down.

Invi then asked her Gula's whereabouts to which Ava replies he isn't in this area anymore. This is where Ava also commented Ira's scary look on his face. Note: After this, presumably Ava flashed back because of Gula still being there and her meeting up with Ira.

Ava then asks her what she's going to do now that things are escalating to a war, to which Invi says she'll just keep collecting Lux. She thinks it would help.

Also note, Invi was the one to accuse Aced of being the traitor first and telling this to Ira first too. Most of her arguments are in Aced's notes.

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Lastly some personal reflection with names, I think they switched up Invi and Aced's names. Invi seemed lazy with her work actually and Aced had hints of envy towards Ira because of his position as leader.

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Gula-His case is the one that extends to the overall plot of X/UX actually. Particularly the identity of the traitor and well stuff.

I've already explained his movements with Aced on Aced's case so there's no need to go over all that again. But just to note, his reason for joining Aced's alliance is because he agreed with the purpose, but called it quits because much time has passed and still no traitor in sight.

Anyway the MoM gives him and only him the copy of the 'lost page'. And that conversation with Ava gives us another hint written in the lost page that wasn't in browser X.

"THE TRAITOR BEARS THE RECUSANT'S SIGIL"

After telling Ava how he failed at his mission of not being able to find and eradicate the traitor, who he kind of thinks is Aced because of Invi, but now doubts because he still doesn't understand what the Recusant's sigil means. Ava tells him she isn't really interested in all that. She too just wants to do her assigned task.

But then Gula handholds Ava tightly and tells her what he's going to do next instead.

Gula wants to summon Kingdom Hearts.

He believes by summoning Kingdom Hearts, MoM will come back immediately again and prevent the Apocalyptic prophecy from happening. Ava of course argues that it's forbidden. But Gula argues back that that's exactly the reason why MoM will return immediately because it IS forbidden. So Gula then asks Ava to cooperate with her. Unfortunately, Ava declines.

Ava was right to decline it after all. She says she doesn't know what Kingdom Hearts really and truly can do, like us KH fans.

Gula then decides to leave, and according to Ava has proceeded to gather more Lux.

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Some note about Gula, he's actually smart according to MoM. When MoM gave him his task, Gula then immediately deduced the reason why they were given separate tasks instead was so whoever moves differently from their tasks, that's where they can find the traitor.

Oh well, the all moved differently from their tasks in the end anyway. Maybe except for Luxu? Who knows?

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Ava-Nothing much really happens with Ava other than protecting Gula and disagrees and argues with everyone in favor of just following the MoM's orders. It's probably because most of her plot happens in the games themselves. However, we do see a side of her due to being in high-end 3d technology graphics.

While she may appear confident in the games, she's actually quite hesitant here. Makes sense since she's facing the other foretellers, not us players.

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With her task, I think it's up to us to decide whether she pulled it off well or not. Personally I think she did pull it off well unlike the other foretellers. Was that what Nomura meant with the gun trigger? But then once she executed the Dandelions project, she went off and did her own thing as seen in browser X. But then what about Unchained X? That's where we'll find out I guess.

I find it cute too how both she and Gula teased Aced that he's the most dangerous based on his face at the beginning parts of the movie. It's for some reason, much more simple yet convincing compared to BBS' cheesy friendship lines.

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Luxu- Luxu's also interesting since his case extends to KH3.

His keyblade the "No Name" given by the MoM has an eye on the blade. While Luxu calls it the "Gazing Eye", MoM says the blade doesn't really have a name. Thus Luxu calls it the "No Name".

MoM proceeds to tell that 'Gazing Eye' there is actually his own Eye.

Of course Luxu reacted on disgust but anyway MoM instructs him to live past the apocalypse and pass that keyblade to his disciples. He says that Keyblade is what lets him see the future itself. That is MoM's secret recipe for predicting the future.

Also the reason why he wasn't given a book was because it might create a paradox, since he's the only MoM disciple that gets to live safely away from the war and proceed to the next era.

MoM also tells Luxu to start traveling once something happens between the foretellers and tells him to bring the box. However, he tells Luxu to never open the box, ever. Luxu is curious anyway, so MoM whispers to him things to which Luxu replies, "That's bad!"

Then after that, that's where we see him on the desert bringing the box with him.

Anyway, so far, I like how the script is a bit better than KHBBS actually. Although it still feels lacking overall. But hey, it was fun looking at the new graphics.

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You know, it could just be me, but maybe there's a reason why Skuld isn't here? There's two reasons I could think off:
(1)Maybe the movie was already done when Skuld's design was revealed or
(2)That this might actually have been the 1st iteration of the events based on X's credits.

The second one is interesting to me because if it's 1st iteration, then the friend Ephemera mentions he made might've been Skuld before she was Unchained.

Meaning, when we met Skuld, she's actually already Unchained just like Ephemera already, except they're there to guide others for awakening. Okay who knows? Just my two cents. Haha

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Am I misinterpreting it or has Back Cover brought about a skyrocketing rise in importance for both Luxu and Gula?

Otherwise, from what I gather from this summary it seems that while Aced is in general a bit of a jerk the ones with the actual unflexible thinking and constantly "bootlicking" the MoM without any question are actually Ava and Invi while Ira neglects his actual given tasks due to obsessive desire to find the "traitor".
Gula is actually investigating the whole time but doesn't make much progress and in the end he wants to summon KH?
Need for Alarm clocks ringing (Xehanort?) or is this an idea born of desperation?

And do I also observe correctly that Back Cover did not really reveal the actual "traitor" properly after all, only who the different Foretellers think the traitor is?

Oh wow that's really interesting.
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It seems like the master mAy be the real villain of the series.

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Possible, since he is acting somewhat suspicious according to the translations, although Gula wanting to summon Kingdom Hearts may be something that can also set of the alarm clocks. So far only resident madman and current main villain Xehanort wants to summon Kingdom Hearts.

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I'm starting to think that maybe this could function in a similar fashion to the Ansem/Xehanort reports in the previous game. You beat a particular world, Chip and Dale reward you with another part of the data that's been decoded.

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That's actually a neat possibility, it would also allow the player/audience to somewhat directly follow the status on how far the efforts to unravel the methods to "restore a heart" as Yen Sid puts it are done.

....wait...

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It's the MoM's literal eye? >_< Ewwwwwwwwwww...also who has an eye like that a dragon? heh...

Anyway I'm starting to think we don't have two blades called No Name, but rather No Name is a classification because these blades don't have a name.

Oh recusant sigil that's why everyone is being made to hide their faces isn't it? One of them must bear a recusant sigil on their face like Saix.

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Isn't it more like a cat's eye? And of course one has to think of it being a little smaller when actually sitting in the MoMs skull, lol.
In fact, in the character creation editor of Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires you can give custom characters very similar eyes in form (but not in color).
There's of course also the possibility that this isn't meant literally but that just like Xehanort can place shards/seeds of his heart in several places at once while holding on to his main chunk the MoM can create copies/pieces of his "Gazing eye" and place it in several places. After all, "No Name" isn't the only Keyblade to feature this eye.

 

[Blizzard-]

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I'm starting to believe Xehanort is actually the traitor.

 

[Muke]

Guys, can I please ask every one of you to put everything into spoilers? Many users here are already doing this, which I greatly appreciate! There are people (like me lol) here who'd like to discuss only one of the two big things and it just would make things easier. ^^' Luckily I didn't read more than

So I finally gave in and watched the ending of 0.2 lol.

this, but still.

 

[Beamer]

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I'm starting to think that maybe this could function in a similar fashion to the Ansem/Xehanort reports in the previous game. You beat a particular world, Chip and Dale reward you with another part of the data that's been decoded.

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That's actually a neat possibility, it would also allow the player/audience to somewhat directly follow the status on how far the efforts to unravel the methods to "restore a heart" as Yen Sid puts it are done.

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Plus it can give us some more backstory into how and why Ansem the Wise decided to conduct the research and put that knowledge into Sora's heart. Heck, it could also serve as a way to give new players (and certain players who mistakenly believe any non-numbered game is unimportant) information that Nomura wanted us to learn in 358/2 Days & Re:Coded.

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Cyberman65 on Youtube uploaded Back Cover in English. Here's the link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ejrHxtLxVw

 

[gosoxtim]

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[Muke]

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Plus it can give us some more backstory into how and why Ansem the Wise decided to conduct the research and put that knowledge into Sora's heart. Heck, it could also serve as a way to give new players (and certain players who mistakenly believe any non-numbered game is unimportant) information that Nomura wanted us to learn in 358/2 Days & Re:Coded.

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Cyberman65 on Youtube uploaded Back Cover in English. Here's the link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ejrHxtLxVw

Dude, thank you SO MUCH for uploading this!

 

[Spem]

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Cyberman65 on Youtube uploaded Back Cover in English. Here's the link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ejrHxtLxVw

Man, you're awesome. Thanks for sharing it! :biggrin:

 

[Auwerns]

I came out of ghosting just to post this, excuse me if I screw up the formatting.

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Possible, since he is acting somewhat suspicious according to the translations, although Gula wanting to summon Kingdom Hearts may be something that can also set of the alarm clocks. So far only resident madman and current main villain Xehanort wants to summon Kingdom Hearts.

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Xehanort is not the only character to want to summon Kingdom Hearts, Roxas also wanted to use it in Days to resurrect Xion, so I don't think it's time to set off the alarms. Also, speaking of Roxas and Gula connections, The Other Promise of all songs plays during Back Cover's credits. Make of that what you will.

 

[Oathkeyper97]

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Something that just came to mind while browsing this thread: It's really cool how Ansem the Wise gets a sort of "last word". Like, Xehanort did a whole bunch of research along with the other apprentices and really screwed their master over. Heck, some of his discoveries he didn't share with his fellow apprentices, and used it all for his schemes. But then Ansem did a whole bunch of research while Sora slept and put the results together, which is ultimately going to win the day for the good guys. Just thought that was really cool.

Also, totally spent all day yesterday spoiling myself. In a way, I sorta regret it, yet I don't at the same time. I'm just in a constant state of freaking out over all the developments in 0.2 and Back Cover! XD

 

[Beamer]

Dude, thank you SO MUCH for uploading this!

Man, you're awesome. Thanks for sharing it! :biggrin:

lol, Thank Cyberman, he's the one who uploaded it, not me

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I'm still in the process of watching myself, so I'll add my two cents once I'm done

 

[Muke]

I just honestly gotta say: I LOVE THE DUB. The actors have done an amazing job!!