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With Xemnas because of another glitch in KH2.5

Because of this huge glitch because reversal doesn't work you will die in 30 seconds playing critical mode. Complete crap.
 

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lol this should have been posted in "how are you enjoying it?"
 

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Yeah but sometimes when i heal he immediately does that shit so i can't use session
 

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Yeah but sometimes when i heal he immediately does that shit so i can't use session

Then you need to learn his pattern because that is really the only way you're going to win this battle in Critical. He starts with the massive thorn chain first, then after he finishes them and you push his HP past a certain threshold, he'll use the single blast of thorns (which you can just dodge normally and not use the RC) or start his big energy blasts (which you can just dodge and use to get close to Xemnas and hit him a few times). He'll then start his basic laser attacks which can be blocked.

After the lasers are done, he'll use the big thorns again and cycle between those again. At any point in the battle he'll try and grab you to throw you into the thorn chain again which can be dodged, but for the most part he has a basic attack pattern which is how you time when you Limits & heal/use items.

Make sure your items are AT stocked with ethers or any healing items to avoid losing HP/MP.

It is really not that big of an issue. Irritating, yes, but manageable.
 

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Bad reversal glitch? I'll admit to not being a great player, but is this why I had trouble with Twilight Thorn and Xemnas in 2.5? Something seemed off when trying to fight these bosses though it had been quite a while since I played KH2. I don't mean to sidestep the discussion, but I was just wondering. :p
 

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Bad reversal glitch? I'll admit to not being a great player, but is this why I had trouble with Twilight Thorn and Xemnas in 2.5? Something seemed off when trying to fight these bosses though it had been quite a while since I played KH2. I don't mean to sidestep the discussion, but I was just wondering. :p

Yes, the RC has a low rate of success in 2.5 except when using it against Dusks. Who knows how they broke it, but they did and so it's more of a gamble to try and use it. It will either not appear at all, or you'll RC right into a thorn blast or you get lucky and it works.
 

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Bad reversal glitch? I'll admit to not being a great player, but is this why I had trouble with Twilight Thorn and Xemnas in 2.5? Something seemed off when trying to fight these bosses though it had been quite a while since I played KH2. I don't mean to sidestep the discussion, but I was just wondering. :p

Funny you guys mention that. It actually got me killed once during my very first battle against Roxas.
 

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I've only done one KHIIFM play thru so far and I don't remember having any problems with Roxas, oh but against Xemnas, I experience this quite often. I read in a thread on Game FAQS forums that this problem existed in the original vanilla version. Does anybody here know if that is true? Either way it's really lame but there are ways around it.
 

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I've only done one KHIIFM play thru so far and I don't remember having any problems with Roxas, oh but against Xemnas, I experience this quite often. I read in a thread on Game FAQS forums that this problem existed in the original vanilla version. Does anybody here know if that is true? Either way it's really lame but there are ways around it.

Never had this issue in the original. The RC had 100% success rate of dodging Xemnas' attacks. If it had been in the original game, there wouldn't be this kind of complaining.
 

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Yes, the RC has a low rate of success in 2.5 except when using it against Dusks. Who knows how they broke it, but they did and so it's more of a gamble to try and use it. It will either not appear at all, or you'll RC right into a thorn blast or you get lucky and it works.

when i fought twilight thorn i thought my timing just sucked lol.
 

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I have seen the original miss against Xemnas every once and a while, yeah. I haven't gotten to Xemnas in FM+ to compare, so that's all I can say.

On the other hand, when I was fighting the Twilight Thorn in FM+, dodging went perfectly?
 

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I just fought Final Xemnas yesterday and I couldn't see any "glitch" at all.
The Reaction Command only works on white/grey thorns, not on black ones, that wasn't different in the original version of KH 2 either.
Black thorns have to be dodged normally, or if you are in the air, you have just to let yourself fall down.
 

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I just fought Final Xemnas yesterday and I couldn't see any "glitch" at all.
The Reaction Command only works on white/grey thorns, not on black ones, that wasn't different in the original version of KH 2 either.
Black thorns have to be dodged normally, or if you are in the air, you have just to let yourself fall down.

The problem is that the RC doesn't show up or RC's you right into the black thorns whereas that didn't happen before. Even speed runners have been complaining, and they would certainly know when a fight changes since they practice them constantly.
 

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The problem is that the RC doesn't show up or RC's you right into the black thorns whereas that didn't happen before. Even speed runners have been complaining, and they would certainly know when a fight changes since they practice them constantly.

It's certainly weird then as I didn't lose any health during the throw-and-thorn-shooting sequence when doing the battle yesterday on proud difficulty. Maybe it was just plain luck?
Then again though, I haven't experienced any of the glitches brought forward so far in my playthrough with my copy of HD 2.5.
 

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The only glitch I had was the start. That move were Xemnas throws you into the air and you have to hit triangle to dodge it all. The triangle icon appears but no matter how much I push it it doesn't input.
It never fails to glitch there.
 

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I just fought Final Xemnas yesterday and I couldn't see any "glitch" at all.
The Reaction Command only works on white/grey thorns, not on black ones, that wasn't different in the original version of KH 2 either.
Black thorns have to be dodged normally, or if you are in the air, you have just to let yourself fall down.
I actually just did like 6 or 7 Reversals on the black thorns.
 

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after playing for myself, i can confirm the battle was as shit. after reversal, follow-up with a dodge roll for black thorns and most importantly; don't stop moving. this was critical mode also so i can't really say why the battle was difficult for you and cake for me.
 
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