The general consensus on Xion

[ruinandchaos85]

Let me first post what I believe the consensus on Xion at this point. This may not be true for all, but this is what I've seen posted in most of the theories I've read.

1. Xion is more than likely Kairi's (or Aqua's) nobody

Why? Because she looks like Kairi(or Aqua), and nobodies look like their original selves with minor differences.


2. Xion was more than likely not born on Destiny Islands during the night of the Storm

This is because Kairi is a PoH. When her heart was removed from her body, her body became a lifeless shell instead of a nobody.

3. The reason Xion is able to wield the KK is because she is Kairi's(or Aqua's) nobody


These are my problems with the consensus.

1. Xion = Kairi's nobody

There are a couple of issues here so I don't entirely believe it.

First, Xion can fight, Kairi can't. Why would Kairi have a Nobody with any sort of physical skill when she and her other confirmed nobody are physically weak.

Second, Xion appears to have Sora's memories, but can't recall Kairi's name. This points out a connection to Sora, as opposed to Kairi. She also appears to be connected to Sora's memory restoration, as said by Namine'

2. Xion can wield the KK because she's Kairi's nobody

If the KK is not her's, how can she wield it against Axel without Roxas around. If Roxas was there and conscious, I find it hard to believe he'd allow her to fight him with it. And if he were there and unconscious, or if he wasn't there at all, how is she manifesting the KK?


I also absolutely oppose the idea Xion is Aqua's nobody, since Aqua appears to be at least 5-10 years older than she is and was only present about 10 years ago, as far as we know.

 

[Byronic Hero]

These are my problems with the consensus.

1. Xion = Kairi's nobody

There are a couple of issues here so I don't entirely believe it.

First, Xion can fight, Kairi can't. Why would Kairi have a Nobody with any sort of physical skill when she and her other confirmed nobody are physically weak.

Who says that Namine can't fight? Just because she doesn't does not mean that she can't.

Second, Xion appears to have Sora's memories, but can't recall Kairi's name. This points out a connection to Sora, as opposed to Kairi. She also appears to be connected to Sora's memory restoration, as said by Namine'

This much, I think I can agree with.

2. Xion can wield the KK because she's Kairi's nobody

If the KK is not her's, how can she wield it against Axel without Roxas around. If Roxas was there and conscious, I find it hard to believe he'd allow her to fight him with it. And if he were there and unconscious, or if he wasn't there at all, how is she manifesting the KK?

Kairi can only wield because of her PoH status, I think that a Sora connection is needed for her to wield.
I believe that Xion and Roxas are connected somehow and that they can somehow use the KK interchangeably.

I also absolutely oppose the idea Xion is Aqua's nobody, since Aqua appears to be at least 5-10 years older than she is and was only present about 10 years ago, as far as we know.

Even though she might not be her Nobody I have no doubt that they are connected in some way.

 

[DMrayZ]

I still believe Kairi's an Unbirth, so your consensus works fine with me. And it seems to make sense as well.

 

[Byronic Hero]

I still believe Kairi's an Unbirth, so your consensus works fine with me. And it seems to make sense as well.

Kairi cant be an unbirth. Unbirths are supposed to be early versions of Heartless, and Heartless lack a body to create a Nobody, as Kairi did.

 

[.Oji]

1. Xion is more than likely Kairi's (or Aqua's) nobody

Why? Because she looks like Kairi(or Aqua), and nobodies look like their original selves with minor differences.

Essentially, yes.

2. Xion was more than likely not born on Destiny Islands during the night of the Storm

This is because Kairi is a PoH. When her heart was removed from her body, her body became a lifeless shell instead of a nobody.

For some reason, I'd say Namine was born during the night of the storm whilst Xion was created when Sora impaled himself with the Heart Unlocker. Namine made it seem as if she was in CO for a long time, so... I dunno, perhaps she was born when Kairi first lost her heart.

Also, you should ask yourself how Namine was created. She isn't Kairi's body/soul nor is she Sora's. =P

3. The reason Xion is able to wield the KK is because she is Kairi's(or Aqua's) nobody

Wielding the KK because of Kairi's connection to said key as a PoH? I think so.

1. Xion = Kairi's nobody

There are a couple of issues here so I don't entirely believe it.

First, Xion can fight, Kairi can't. Why would Kairi have a Nobody with any sort of physical skill when she and her other confirmed nobody are physically weak.

Irrelevant much?

Second, Xion appears to have Sora's memories, but can't recall Kairi's name. This points out a connection to Sora, as opposed to Kairi. She also appears to be connected to Sora's memory restoration, as said by Namine'

Xion has memories of Sora? =/

2. Xion can wield the KK because she's Kairi's nobody

If the KK is not her's, how can she wield it against Axel without Roxas around. If Roxas was there and conscious, I find it hard to believe he'd allow her to fight him with it. And if he were there and unconscious, or if he wasn't there at all, how is she manifesting the KK?

-Shrugs-

Perhaps Roxas doesn't need to be around for her to wield it--her connection to the key is all that's needed, similar to the relationship between Roxas and Sora.

I also absolutely oppose the idea Xion is Aqua's nobody

I concur.

 

[Reika Noko]

Let me first post what I believe the consensus on Xion at this point. This may not be true for all, but this is what I've seen posted in most of the theories I've read.

1. Xion is more than likely Kairi's (or Aqua's) nobody

Why? Because she looks like Kairi(or Aqua), and nobodies look like their original selves with minor differences.

Kairi? Not sure yet/Possibly. (Then again, where does Namine fall into...) Aqua? Hell no. In recent trailers lately, Xion keeps babbling about how she resembles Kairi so much. Besides, no one's going to mention Aqua in the current KH Timeline rather than BBS. At least you're right about the "how nobodies look like their original selves."

2. Xion was more than likely not born on Destiny Islands during the night of the Storm

This is because Kairi is a PoH. When her heart was removed from her body, her body became a lifeless shell instead of a nobody.

Which is partly the reason why Namine is a special nobody.

3. The reason Xion is able to wield the KK is because she is Kairi's(or Aqua's) nobody

What the... Where'd that come from? Just because everyone here saw Kairi wield a keyblade in KH2 for a brief moment does not exactly mean that "poof" she now has the ability to summon her own keyblade. After all, it was Riku who was the one who gave her that flowery thing in the first place (and in a short doujin comic someone made, she complained how girly it was). Keyblades are supposed to choose their own masters, right?

(Then again, there's Terra with the "you're not the one I picked" thing to Sora. Then again, it didn't really matter that much...)

And if she was Aqua's nobody, she would've been born waaaay longer than finally joining the Org. XIII. Xion also keeps babbling about how she wants to find out who she really is and whatnot. Unless Aqua turned into a heartless prior to the main storyline of KH1, and it would make sense for a nobody to find his/herself to naturally take 10 freakin' years for her to do so, I highly doubt that she's Aqua's nobody. Again, she keeps talking about how she looks like Kairi.

These are my problems with the consensus.

1. Xion = Kairi's nobody

...Er, but where's Namine?

There are a couple of issues here so I don't entirely believe it.

First, Xion can fight, Kairi can't. Why would Kairi have a Nobody with any sort of physical skill when she and her other confirmed nobody are physically weak.

I was wrong before. You haven't played KH2 (or at least, not all the way through) yet. Kairi can fight. Besides, who's to say that nobodies must inherit their somebody's traits and skills in order to be their nobody? I mean, come on; Look at Namine! She a damn Reality Warper in which her altering skills are specifically to change the memories of others and make them believe the fake reality is actually the true reality. Namine apparently has that (in the beginning) while Kairi apparently doesn't. And no, PoH's don't have that (in the beginning). They're supposed to be damsels in distress. No power for them, unfortunately.

At least Kairi can fight off heartless. And Namine was the one who helped her escape with her with the darkness-portal powers that every character who can control darkness has. I think Namine can do fine with or without combat abilities.

Second, Xion appears to have Sora's memories, but can't recall Kairi's name. This points out a connection to Sora, as opposed to Kairi. She also appears to be connected to Sora's memory restoration, as said by Namine'

True, it's possible that she might have something to do with Sora's restoration (or probably not, since Namine didn't necessarily state that [Xion] was connected to him), but she only asked about Sora and about "the girl who looks like me. The girl that Sora is always with." That doesn't necessarily mean that she's connected to Sora's memories directly because of the possibility that she's connected to Sora's memory restoration.

2. Xion can wield the KK because she's Kairi's nobody

Just because everyone here saw Kairi wield a keyblade in KH2 for a brief moment does not exactly mean that "poof" she now has the ability to summon her own keyblade. After all, it was Riku who was the one who gave her that flowery thing in the first place

If the KK is not her's, how can she wield it against Axel without Roxas around. If Roxas was there and conscious, I find it hard to believe he'd allow her to fight him with it. And if he were there and unconscious, or if he wasn't there at all, how is she manifesting the KK?

1) Who said it wasn't her's
2) Why does she need Roxas around just to do so?
3) Why should Roxas have control over her?! When did she need permission from Roxas to do so?!
4) ...Because she already had the KK in the first place.

I also absolutely oppose the idea Xion is Aqua's nobody, since Aqua appears to be at least 5-10 years older than she is and was only present about 10 years ago, as far as we know.

What...? Didn't you just say that Xion could possibly be Aqua's nobody? You said, "(or Aqua's)" earlier, didn't you? To be specific, a bit before you typed that in parenthesis, you also said, "more than likely."

But I shouldn't argue with that statement though (in fact, maybe you should ignore the context just above this one). I agree that she isn't her nobody.

 

[ruinandchaos85]

Crap, that post was supposed to be followed by my theories, but I got sidetracked(my Mom came home). All of that was supposed to lead up to this. Anyway, here they are.


The first one is less likely true, but I'll post it anyway.

I think it's possible that Xion is Sora's nobody, or maybe Kairi+Sora's nobody, and was created because of the connection of their hearts

- Xion is confirmed to be special nobody, and this rules out a lot of factors that we know about the creation of Nobodies. So for all we know, Sora could have a female Nobody born in Kairi's image.

- Xion looks like Kairi, but can fight (in what appears to be Sora's stance no less) and wields the KK. Apparently, Xion can also use magic, and the KH manga(non-canon) implies that Magic comes from the KK. So that may also be a connection.

So what I'm thinking here, is that when Sora released his Kairi's hearts and an amalgam Nobody, with Kairi's looks and Sora's skills, was created through their connection.

This theory below is more likely true than the previous, simply because there are a lot of unknowns here.

It's possible that Namine was born on DI, either on the night of the storm or before, and Xion was born on Hollow Bastion when Sora released his and Kairi's heart.

- We do not know what happpened to Kairi's body before it was found. We don't even know how she lost her heart. It's ASSUMED it didn't disappear.

- The fact is, Namine is nothing, almost not a nobody. That being said, she could've been born from Kairi's B+S disappearing for a brief instant or just simply from whatever action that caused Kairi to lose her heart.
Also Namine' stated that she had been in alone for a long time. Since it's been shown that she does grow, and we don't know how long a long time is, she could've been born long before COM. i.e. when Xehanort sent her off in search of Sora, we don't know how he did that, or how she landed on DI.

- Namine also appears to have all her memories, and sense of self. She knew who her original self was and also seemed to know who Sora was before she actually met him.

- Finally, DiZ is a character in the story and is therefore fallible. He does not know EVERYTHING, though he likes to think he does. The only people's words we can truly trust are Nomura's and the writers. And I haven't read anything from them that specifically states that Namine' was born at the same time as Roxas.

/theories

At BH,
Namine's random "I'll defend you by being a human shield" technique from Re: COM, that looks similiar to Kairi's btw, leads me to believe that she can't fight.

At .Oji,
This post should make some of the things I said more relevant.

At Reika,
The first three statements are not mine. As I said at the beginning of my post, those are what I believe to be the general consensus on what we know about Xion. What comes after are problems that I have with these statements. This post is about my theories. Also, Kairi randomingly waving a keyblade around against shadows =/= fighting IMO.

 

[Muse]

For some reason, I'd say Namine was born during the night of the storm whilst Xion was created when Sora impaled himself with the Heart Unlocker. Namine made it seem as if she was in CO for a long time, so... I dunno, perhaps she was born when Kairi first lost her heart.

Also, you should ask yourself how Namine was created. She isn't Kairi's body/soul nor is she Sora's. =P

It's been confirmed that Namine and Roxas were created at the same time though att Hollow Bastion. Xion was more likely to have been born at DI. I don't know the exact quote, however, I just know that's what's been said.

 

[Reika Noko]

The first one is less likely true, but I'll post it anyway.

I think it's possible that Xion is Sora's nobody, or maybe Kairi+Sora's nobody, and was created because of the connection of their hearts

I remember randomly seeing a thread about this while ago. Someone even joked about inerpreting that the poster had theory as basically saying that Xion is kind of like Sora and Kairi's lovechild. lol

Anyway, you can't say that Xion was created because of Sora and Kairi's connection to each other (even if they did share the same body for a little while) out of the blue like that. We haven't proven yet of how/who Xion was created from specifically. All we know is that she was born like any other nobody's basic birth. (No, that doesn't include Namine). And of course, Xion and Roxas are considered special just beause they wield keyblades.

- Xion is confirmed to be special nobody, and this rules out a lot of factors that we know about the creation of Nobodies. So for all we know, Sora could have a female Nobody born in Kairi's image.

I also remember another thread theorizing this. There was funny stuff there too. But...

Genderbending nobodies from their originals is not allowed in the KH universe. That's because since nobodies are supposed to resemble their original, representing their original's "other self", it should be an automatic must that nobodies are the same gender as well.

- Xion looks like Kairi, but can fight (in what appears to be Sora's stance no less) and wields the KK.

That's Roxas you're talking about there. Who cares about stance.

Apparently, Xion can also use magic, and the KH manga(non-canon) implies that Magic comes from the KK. So that may also be a connection.

Anyone has powers (and most have magic anyway, or at least grant/assist the protaganist player with magic for the majority of characters that can aid you in battle) if you're not one of those "Average Joe's" who can get killed off by a heartless in a blink of an eye. Or at least, five seconds of any cutscene.

So what I'm thinking here, is that when Sora released his Kairi's hearts and an amalgam Nobody, with Kairi's looks and Sora's skills, was created through their connection.

Connection has nothing to do with it. But if someone imagines that Sora can manifest three nobodies when he already did two, their imagination has gone wild...

You're right. It's very unlikely.

Okay, now to the real thing.

This theory below is more likely true than the previous, simply because there are a lot of unknowns here.

It's possible that Namine was born on DI, either on the night of the storm or before,

We need a heartless to be born first, and considering it should be Kairi at the time, I highly doubt that Naimne should have been born then.

and Namine (and Roxas) was born on Hollow Bastion when Sora released his and Kairi's heart.

Fixed.

- We do not know what happpened to Kairi's body before it was found. We don't even know how she lost her heart. It's ASSUMED it didn't disappear.

Yes we do! And on both cases. Before Kairi's body was found, it was just nothing but an empty shell after losing her heart since she's a PoH. And how she lost her heart, well, it's pretty much presumed that she got attacked by some random heartless in the Secret Place. So being a PoH, her body was still intact, just with no heart in it, and her heart was just left floating there. Sora found her heart and Kairi still having a sense of self left with her heart (in other words, I'm just saying her soul was still there too), she decided to rest in Sora's body until...she gets her body back. Meh.

- The fact is, Namine is nothing, almost not a nobody.

You forgot the fact that nobodies are "beings of nothingness" to begin with. But I don't want to rant about why I think Nobodies are called "Nobody". Think about that.

That being said, she could've been born from Kairi's B+S disappearing for a brief instant or just simply from whatever action that caused Kairi to lose her heart.

You mean a heartless attacking her? No, no, no. That right there is...no, has no evidence.

Also Namine' stated that she had been in alone for a long time. Since it's been shown that she does grow, and we don't know how long a long time is, she could've been born long before COM.

You mean when Sora did that sacrifice thing in HB? I concur.

i.e. when Xehanort sent her off in search of Sora, we don't know how he did that, or how she landed on DI.

...Maybe not so much.

- Namine also appears to have all her memories, and sense of self. She knew who her original self was and also seemed to know who Sora was before she actually met him.

Well, that's natural for a nobody. Typically, nobodies, when born, already hold memories of their original's because nobodies are the "other self", remember? So even though Namine is special, it doesn't really stop her from knowing that she's a certain PoH's nobody because she holds said PoH's memories as well. If you're trying to refer to Roxas, he's an exception. Roxas doesn't hold Sora's memories at all upon being born due to the short time that Sora was a heartless. After all, Sora was just a heartless for like, what, 15 min.?

- Finally, DiZ is a character in the story and is therefore fallible. He does not know EVERYTHING, though he likes to think he does. The only people's words we can truly trust are Nomura's and the writers.

DiZ=AtW

And I haven't read anything from them that specifically states that Namine' was born at the same time as Roxas.

I'll let you look around the threads in this specific section before I argue with that. In fact, look up Namine's birth more and find out too. I haven't checked the Secret Ansem Reports in a while, but it's probably stated in one of those too.

/theories

At least it's a theory/ies.

At SA,

SA-sama is here?! *looks around*

Namine's random "I'll defend you by being a human shield" technique from Re: COM, that looks similiar to Kairi's btw, leads me to believe that she can't fight.

No, that's just Namine's feelings for Sora (which is strongly hinted throughout the series since her debut). Probably stemed from Kairi's hinted feelings as well. Don't say that to SA-sama though. She probably won't agree.

At Reika,
The first three statements are not mine. As I said at the beginning of my post, those are what I believe to be the general consensus on what we know about Xion. What comes after are problems that I have with these statements. This post is about my theories. Also, Kairi randomingly waving a keyblade around against shadows =/= fighting IMO.

Hmm... 'k, what you believe is the general consensus. But those three statements are flawed if there is no evidence, really. Probably from the theory threads that failed too...

And remember, if you believed the first one was true as the general consensus, also remember that you typed that you disagreed with it too. Just to let you know.

 

[sballien]

Wow...that was alot to read, you had some good points though.

 

[ogichi/ichigo]

I'm sorta confused on the whole Xion thing, but we know she's a nobody and somewhat related to
Kairi. My best bet is she has 2 nobodies.

 

[ruinandchaos85]

Hmm... 'k, what you believe is the general consensus. But those three statements are flawed if there is no evidence, really. Probably from the theory threads that failed too...

And remember, if you believed the first one was true as the general consensus, also remember that you typed that you disagreed with it too. Just to let you know.

That was kinda the point of my first post; to point out the flaws in these statements.

Basically, I've been seeing those statements a lot in the theory threads, and I had some problems with them. That's why the topic titled refers to "the general consensus on Xion", meaning what most people believed about Xion. Just seemed to be what most people felt so far.

SA-sama is here?! *looks around*

Lol. Just caught that. Fixed. Sorry Byronic Hero, that was directed at you.

 

[Reika Noko]

Ahhhhh, no wonder. I get the whole purpose now instead of just the gist of it. Alright then.

 

[ruinandchaos85]

Ok, Reika, I just read your post. There's a lot of counterpoints I'd like to make now, but I have a migraine right now(damn sleep deprivation). I'll get back to you after I take some Excedrin.

 

[ruinandchaos85]

Ok. Back now.

First, seeing as most theories in this case are speculation at best,due to lack of game, not having evidence =/= equal not possible, in most cases. Of course, there are going some theories that are so out there they're "unbelievable", but even then, to cite a theory as not happening because of lack of evidence and not because evidence disproving said theory exists is the same as stating a an opinion. And that's no different from making a theory in the first place. Just wanted to point that out.


Now my counterpoints,

Xion being an amalgam of Sora and Kairi isn't really out of the blue since there's a lot things implying that it's possibly true. From Xion wielding the keyblade all the way to her resembling Kairi. I believe I stated those in my first post. The two posts were originally designed to go together.

Anyway, did you watch the trailers? When Xion was getting ready to fight Axel, she crouched and assumed KH1 Sora's stance. Coincidence? I think not.

Also you can't just say that Xion and Roxas are special nobodies just because they can wield the Keyblade. That actually has nothing to do with it. They're special because of how they were created. Roxas was born from Sora's short time as a heartless, but because it was so short, Roxas has no memories of Sora. That is why he's considered a special nobody. Namine was born from Kairi's heart leaving Sora's body, but neither did Kairi become a heartless or Sora's B+S go into making her. She really shouldn't even exist, yet she does. If somehting like that could happen, who knows what else could. This gives me reason to believe that something like a "gender-bending" nobody could be born.


It's been stated in Nomura's Interview from Another Report that there's only one KK, and the only reason both Roxas and Sora can wield it is because Roxas is Sora's nobody. That means that either Xion can wield it too(she can call it on her own), or she's just borrowing it from Roxas, like Kairi did with Riku. I believe it's the former as previously stated.

Finally, I know DiZ=AtW, I just refer to him as DiZ because it's a cooler name and also, he's not very wise. He's smart, but not wise. Any wise person would realize the folly of their ways BEFORE they go kill themselves. But then again, that may be the significance of the name change, he was no longer AtW after his apprentices betrayed them.

 

[keybladelegacy]

2. Xion was more than likely not born on Destiny Islands during the night of the Storm

Well yes she could if namine was created out of nothing because roxas had soras body and soul couldnt xion be created out of nothing since kairis body and soul remained in the realm of light.

This is because Kairi is a PoH. When her heart was removed from her body, her body became a lifeless shell instead of a nobody.

True but do we truly know that she didnt have a nobody.

3. The reason Xion is able to wield the KK is because she is Kairi's(or Aqua's) nobody

Now this i can agree on

First, Xion can fight, Kairi can't. Why would Kairi have a Nobody with any sort of physical skill when she and her other confirmed nobody are physically weak.

Kairi wielded the keyblade riku gave her and used it

Second, Xion appears to have Sora's memories, but can't recall Kairi's name. This points out a connection to Sora, as opposed to Kairi. She also appears to be connected to Sora's memory restoration, as said by Namine'

Another thing that i agree on.

2. Xion can wield the KK because she's Kairi's nobody

I believe its roxas.

If the KK is not her's, how can she wield it against Axel without Roxas around. If Roxas was there and conscious, I find it hard to believe he'd allow her to fight him with it. And if he were there and unconscious, or if he wasn't there at all, how is she manifesting the KK?

Roxas was around axel said "

No matter how many times you escape , I will bring you back.

the you was plural pointed too xion and roxas. Im pretty sure.

I also absolutely oppose the idea Xion is Aqua's nobody, since Aqua appears to be at least 5-10 years older than she is and was only present about 10 years ago, as far as we know.

I dont believe she is aquas nobody but she could be aqua related like roxas relationship with ven.

Crap, that post was supposed to be followed by my theories, but I got sidetracked(my Mom came home). All of that was supposed to lead up to this. Anyway, here they are.


The first one is less likely true, but I'll post it anyway.

I think it's possible that Xion is Sora's nobody, or maybe Kairi+Sora's nobody, and was created because of the connection of their hearts

Im bent on one heart=one nobody.

-

Xion is confirmed to be special nobody, and this rules out a lot of factors that we know about the creation of Nobodies. So for all we know, Sora could have a female Nobody born in Kairi's image.

How????

- Xion looks like Kairi, but can fight (in what appears to be Sora's stance no less) and wields the KK. Apparently, Xion can also use magic, and the KH manga(non-canon) implies that Magic comes from the KK. So that may also be a connection.

Yes if she does wield the KK then their is some connection to sora.

So what I'm thinking here, is that when Sora released his Kairi's hearts and an amalgam Nobody, with Kairi's looks and Sora's skills, was created through their connection.

Sora and Kairi creating 3 nobodies when sora released his and kairis heart. I dont think so.

This theory below is more likely true than the previous, simply because there are a lot of unknowns here.

It's possible that Namine was born on DI, either on the night of the storm or before, and Xion was born on Hollow Bastion when Sora released his and Kairi's heart.

If namine wasnt created in HB then how would you explained that she can alter all who sora is connected too

-

We do not know what happpened to Kairi's body before it was found. We don't even know how she lost her heart. It's ASSUMED it didn't disappear.

Does how she lost her heart matter.

-

The fact is, Namine is nothing, almost not a nobody. That being said, she could've been born from Kairi's B+S disappearing for a brief instant or just simply from whatever action that caused Kairi to lose her heart.
Also Namine' stated that she had been in alone for a long time. Since it's been shown that she does grow, and we don't know how long a long time is, she could've been born long before COM. i.e. when Xehanort sent her off in search of Sora, we don't know how he did that, or how she landed on DI.

Namine was created in HB. The PoH are connected too the keyblade so kairi happened to find the keyblade wielders we all know(riku).
-

Namine also appears to have all her memories, and sense of self. She knew who her original self was and also seemed to know who Sora was before she actually met him.

Your wrong she actually didnt have any memories of her former self.

-

Finally, DiZ is a character in the story and is therefore fallible. He does not know EVERYTHING, though he likes to think he does. The only people's words we can truly trust are Nomura's and the writers. And I haven't read anything from them that specifically states that Namine' was born at the same time as Roxas.

Nomura and DiZ usually confirm the same thing. The ansem report is like an explanation of the game.

I believer that Namine’ was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Namine’ emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

Ok. Back now.

First, seeing as most theories in this case are speculation at best,due to lack of game, not having evidence =/= equal not possible, in most cases. Of course, there are going some theories that are so out there they're "unbelievable", but even then, to cite a theory as not happening because of lack of evidence and not because evidence disproving said theory exists is the same as stating a an opinion. And that's no different from making a theory in the first place. Just wanted to point that out.

Some theories dont make sense.


Now my counterpoints,

Xion being an amalgam of Sora and Kairi isn't really out of the blue since there's a lot things implying that it's possibly true. From Xion wielding the keyblade all the way to her resembling Kairi. I believe I stated those in my first post. The two posts were originally designed to go together.

Anyway, did you watch the trailers? When Xion was getting ready to fight Axel, she crouched and assumed KH1 Sora's stance. Coincidence? I think not.

I think its roxas keyblade. And yes roxas was around during the time she was about to fight Axel.

Also you can't just say that Xion and Roxas are special nobodies just because they can wield the Keyblade. That actually has nothing to do with it. They're special because of how they were created. Roxas was born from Sora's short time as a heartless, but because it was so short, Roxas has no memories of Sora. That is why he's considered a special nobody. Namine was born from Kairi's heart leaving Sora's body, but neither did Kairi become a heartless or Sora's B+S go into making her. She really shouldn't even exist, yet she does. If somehting like that could happen, who knows what else could. This gives me reason to believe that something like a "gender-bending" nobody could be born.

I think nobody reflect their former self because of the body and soul.

It's been stated in Nomura's Interview from Another Report that there's only one KK, and the only reason both Roxas and Sora can wield it is because Roxas is Sora's nobody. That means that either Xion can wield it too(she can call it on her own), or she's just borrowing it from Roxas, like Kairi did with Riku. I believe it's the former as previously stated.

Theirs not only one KK

In [KHI], the King searches for a keyblade in the realm of darkness, but when he meets Ansem the Wise, is the realm of light keyblade he has the one that Sora is currently using?
Nomura: No, the King has the ability to use keyblades from both the Realm of Darkness and of Light. This is an important point, there isn't just one keyblade from each world, just as many as there are people with qualified hearts.

Finally, I know DiZ=AtW, I just refer to him as DiZ because it's a cooler name and also, he's not very wise. He's smart, but not wise. Any wise person would realize the folly of their ways BEFORE they go kill themselves. But then again, that may be the significance of the name change, he was no longer AtW after his apprentices betrayed them.

Diz(darkness in zero) yet he is wise but foolish for starting the exepiments.

 

[DMrayZ]

Kairi cant be an unbirth. Unbirths are supposed to be early versions of Heartless, and Heartless lack a body to create a Nobody, as Kairi did.

Umm, Wrong, No-one Knows what Unbirth's are yet.

 

[ruinandchaos85]

In [KHI], the King searches for a keyblade in the realm of darkness, but when he meets Ansem the Wise, is the realm of light keyblade he has the one that Sora is currently using?
Nomura: No, the King has the ability to use keyblades from both the Realm of Darkness and of Light. This is an important point, there isn't just one keyblade from each world, just as many as there are people with qualified hearts.

This states that there are multiple KEYBLADES, not Kingdom Keys. In fact, it disproves that they're multiple Kingdom Keys. Unless you count the KK and Inverse KK as the same thing.

And you have a point about why Namine' is able to control Sora's memories. I forgot about that when writing the 2nd theory. Kinda throws the wrench in.

Also, Kairi using the Riku's keyblade =/= her being able to fight. If that was the case, Axel wouldn't have been able to kidnap her against her will so easily.

I think its roxas keyblade. And yes roxas was around during the time she was about to fight Axel.

What makes you say that? Most evidence points to him not being there. If he was there, why is he allowing her to use the KK to fight Axel? Why is she only talking to Axel and not Roxas? And what about what happened in the previous scene from the trailers? When she was talking to Roxas directly in the middle of Twilight Town. They weren't in front of the mansion then. She also summoned the KK to herself at that point.

How????

The gist of what I was saying here is this. Since Xion is a special nobody, a lot of the "rules" concerning how they're made don't necessarily apply. Or rather, since she's special and we don't know how she was created, we can't just rule anything out.

If you're wondering where my basis is coming from. Watch the TGS 2008 trailer for Days and see the conversation between DiZ and Namine. DiZ was surprised that Namine was referring to a female, and since the general assumption is that she's talking about Xion in that scene, we can assume he thought she'd be referring to a male(Roxas).

Diz(darkness in zero) yet he is wise but foolish for starting the exepiments.

What was foolish about STARTING the experiments? His people were prosperous, but he wanted to make it even better. That's natural. It's only foolish in hindsight; no amount of wisdom would prevent a ruler from doing something like that. And not to mention the fact that he also tried to put a stop to them too after realizing they were dangerous, just goes to show how different he was as AtW.

As DiZ he was hellbent on revenge and tried to control everything even though he had no power. To the point that he even tried to digitize Kingdom Hearts. He might as well try to digitize the whole universe, the idiot.

 

[.Oji]

Wall-o-text that needs to be addressed. Eh, alright, let's see what we got here.

Before I begin, kudos to ruinandchaos85 for his use of wisdom. I rarely see logic being posted in FoKH nowadays. Okay.

I think it's possible that Xion is Sora's nobody, or maybe Kairi+Sora's nobody, and was created because of the connection of their hearts

Ironically, before all these theories about Xion being a incarnation of memories and what have you, I basically thought the same thing--her being a coalescent being. It's quite convoluted.

- Xion is confirmed to be special nobody, and this rules out a lot of factors that we know about the creation of Nobodies. So for all we know, Sora could have a female Nobody born in Kairi's image.

Eh. I wouldn't say that necessarily 'rules out' the factors you speak of, per se. Sora having a female nobody IS definitely impossible, given what we know.

- Xion looks like Kairi, but can fight (in what appears to be Sora's stance no less) and wields the KK. Apparently, Xion can also use magic, and the KH manga(non-canon) implies that Magic comes from the KK. So that may also be a connection.

Not true.

The wielder expels the magic through the instrument in which he wields, e.g. the wooden sword which Riku tossed to Sora in HB (KH).

So what I'm thinking here, is that when Sora released his Kairi's hearts and an amalgam Nobody, with Kairi's looks and Sora's skills, was created through their connection.

Can't really debunk this, at the moment. Seems overly convoluted, though.

Also Namine' stated that she had been in alone for a long time. Since it's been shown that she does grow, and we don't know how long a long time is, she could've been born long before COM. i.e. when Xehanort sent her off in search of Sora, we don't know how he did that, or how she landed on DI.

From what I understand, her connection to the keyblade pretty much guided her to the one chosen. Her losing her heart on the way--I can't really see how or why that'd happen.

- Namine also appears to have all her memories, and sense of self. She knew who her original self was and also seemed to know who Sora was before she actually met him.

Not quite sure about her knowing about Kairi from the very start--I do believe she knew about Kairi upon meddling with Sora's memories, however.

And I haven't read anything from them that specifically states that Namine' was born at the same time as Roxas.

He mentioned it before. Not sure where, but I remember reading it.

At .Oji,
This post should make some of the things I said more relevant.

It did. ;P

Xion being an amalgam of Sora and Kairi isn't really out of the blue since there's a lot things implying that it's possibly true. From Xion wielding the keyblade all the way to her resembling Kairi.

Kairi can also, technically wield a keyblade, though--albeit I don't classify her as a chosen wielder. Her connection to said key as a PoH likely made this possibly, thus allowing Xion, if she's her nobody, to wield it.

Anyway, did you watch the trailers? When Xion was getting ready to fight Axel, she crouched and assumed KH1 Sora's stance. Coincidence? I think not.

It could very well just be a coincedental thing, though.

Namine was born from Kairi's heart leaving Sora's body, but neither did Kairi become a heartless or Sora's B+S go into making her. She really shouldn't even exist, yet she does. If somehting like that could happen, who knows what else could. This gives me reason to believe that something like a "gender-bending" nobody could be born.

That's not rational, frankly.

Hypothetical speaking, from what I deduced, Kairi can produce a nobody by merely losing her heart. Certain rules, such as creating a heartless (which is impossible for a PoH) and using the B+S to create the nobody, apparently don't apply to her. Just having a strong heart and losing said heart is all that's needed, it seems.

I will say this, though. Since Xion seems to be the more stable nobody, I'm willing to believe she was born when Sora stabbed himself, given the conditions, i.e. Sora acting as the transmitter. I do believe Kairi created Namine during the night of the storm, despite what I've read (which is ignorant on my part, but still).

It's been stated in Nomura's Interview from Another Report that there's only one KK, and the only reason both Roxas and Sora can wield it is because Roxas is Sora's nobody. That means that either Xion can wield it too(she can call it on her own), or she's just borrowing it from Roxas, like Kairi did with Riku. I believe it's the former as previously stated.

It could very well be the latter, though. I don't think it's logical to place limitations on Kairi's abilities as a PoH when we have no idea what she is and is not capable of. I'm not even sure Kairi is aware of what she's capable of. =/

Finally, I know DiZ=AtW, I just refer to him as DiZ because it's a cooler name and also, he's not very wise. He's smart, but not wise. Any wise person would realize the folly of their ways BEFORE they go kill themselves. But then again, that may be the significance of the name change, he was no longer AtW after his apprentices betrayed them.

His ignorance exposed his lack of knowledge, basically. He knew that much. =P

 

[ruinandchaos85]

It's late, so no wall of text, lol, but I agree with most of your points Oji, including the ones about some parts being convoluted. I'll try to address the others in the morning.

But, to be honest, if any of the theories posted on the site were true, Days would have a pretty boring story, seeing as we figured it out before it was released. But speculating is fun, kinda like challenging yourself to solve a mystery with only one clue. Plus I'm usually able to find out things I've missed without having to skim through archives to find it.

I will point out one thing out though. While we don't know the full extent of the PoH's powers, I think only a true Keyblade wielder can call their specific keyblade at will. Seeing as Xion does this while conversing with Roxas in the trailers, I can only assume that her case and Kairi's case aren't the same. Meaning that it's more likely she is able to wield it through some connection with Sora, rather than Roxas simply letting her borrow the KK.