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Unbirth theory (influenced by Forced Existence)



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If its right, I would happily share credit with dum0dum. I wouldn't have thought of this if he had not wrote that Theory.

I think Unbirths are made of something, lets say a soul, that exists before its time,
coming to the world unnaturally. Nomura stated that Unbirths came to be unnaturally.

Heartless (Corrupt Heart)<- Sorry
Nobody (Nothing)
Unbirth (Never Been Born/Not Born)

All these beings exist (existed), and in the Nobodies case, existed without an identity.

I like to think Unbirths are a Nobody/Heartless hybrid... In that Unbirths arent really anything in the sense that Nobodies are nothing but Unbirths have something, so they aren't pure Nobodies, also, Unbirths don't have hearts ( may not be true, but a heart is a physical object created during birth, and a soul is more spiritual), similar to the Heartless who have corrupt hearts.
<--- Nomura said that Unbirths are relatives to Heartless and Nobodies, this would further reason why Unbirths are related to Heartless/Nobodies

Flame if you must, I had fun writing this up.
 
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If its right, I would happily share credit with dum0dum. I wouldn't have thought of this if he had not wrote that Theory.

If you based a theory on something someone else came up with, credit should be shared regardless of whether or not the theory ends up being true.

I think Unbirths are made of something, lets say a soul, that exists before its time,
coming to the world unnaturally. Nomura stated that Unbirths came to be unnaturally.

How would the soul be, if not through a whole being? In which case, this would mean the unbirth coming to be meant someone died, and let's not go there.

Nobody (Nothing)

It's actually more no identity than nothing.

Unbirth (Never Been Born/Not Born)

Or - cancelled birth.

...reverse-rebirth anyone? orz

I like to think Unbirths are a Nobody/Heartless hybrid... In that Unbirths arent really anything in the sense that Nobodies are nothing but Unbirths have something, so they aren't pure Nobodies, also, Unbirths don't have hearts ( may not be true, but a heart is a physical object created during birth, and a soul is more spiritual), similar to the Heartless who have no hearts.

Only Heartless are the Hearts. The name comes to indicate that despite being the Hearts, they lack everything the Heart is suppose to give you, being Identity and Feelings. Both are cut off and suppressed by the Darkness.

<--- Nomura said that Unbirths are relatives to Heartless and Nobodies, this would further reason why Unbirths are related to Heartless/Nobodies

...This is how this sentence was constructed.
Nomura said that A, this would further reason why A.

Flame if you must, I had fun writing this up.

I can't even flame this properly because I really don't see what you were trying to convey :\
 

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Nomura stated that Unbirths came to be unnaturally.

The only thing I've heard him mention that they were essentially the opposite of life; but that's just me.

I think Unbirths are made of something, lets say a soul, that exists before its time,

Problem being that death/pre-life was something never really explored in KH due to controversy of the issue. And soul on its own cannot be a being as the cosmology of KH dictates that the soul is basically the 'battery' to the body. Take the soul away the body dies, it has no real "makeup" if you will.

Heartless (No Heart)
Nobody (Nothing)

Problem being that it's just a play on words. Heartless are the hearts of those beings corrupted by darkness, they garnered their name due to their nature--taking others hearts without remorse, other emotions etc.

Nobodies on the other hand are the body and soul of a being; the left overs of what creates a heartless.

Unbirth (Never Been Born/Not Born)

Again, more likely a play on words, for if they did not exist how can they come to be in reality?

All these beings exist (existed), and in the Nobodies case, existed without an identity.

True, that's mainly due to the fact that the heart holds the memories, in turn the identity.

I like to think Unbirths are a Nobody/Heartless hybrid... In that Unbirths arent really anything in the sense that Nobodies are nothing but Unbirths have something, so they aren't pure Nobodies, also, Unbirths don't have hearts ( may not be true, but a heart is a physical object created during birth, and a soul is more spiritual), similar to the Heartless who have no hearts.

Well they're the precursors to the heartless and nobodies so naturally they would share traits such as their fluid yet darker design scheme. Still, I wouldn't so much as to say that they're hybrid beings. But like I said previously heartless= are hearts. So I can't really expand on the rest of your explanation.

Flame if you must, I had fun writing this up.

I think some of us have a little more decency to not do this. And hopefully you know the difference between flaming and discussion; a lot of members don't.

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God damnit.
 

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im sorry but are you saying there are heartless without hearts? im pretty sure there is no such thing beacuase that would just mean its nothing. a heartless is infact just a heart.
 

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I think Unbirths are made of something, lets say a soul, that exists before its time,
coming to the world unnaturally.

And how would this tie the Unbirths to the Heartless?

Nomura stated that Unbirths came to be unnaturally.

Would you kindly provide where he said that? Because I recall him saying nothing of the sort...

<--- Nomura said that Unbirths are relatives to Heartless and Nobodies, this would further reason why Unbirths are related to Heartless/Nobodies

*facepalm*
Reread that post...


Flame if you must, I had fun writing this up.

Just because we're a bunch of narcissistic bastards/bitches that enjoy watching people cry then drink their tears, does not mean we will flame you. =]

God damnit.

Aww... It's okay Iri.
 

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I like to think Unbirths are a Nobody/Heartless hybrid...

Except Unbirths existed before Nobodies and Heartless did and therefore couldn't have been made as a result of breeding.

Also The nobody heartless split is the result of a normal living being who's heart surrendered to darkness. they then become a heartless and a corresponding Nobody is made for them. To assume that a nobody and a heartless could be bred would probably mean they formed another LIVING being

not an unbirth.


unless of course they are like Dracula who'se children are born dead=Unbirth! ZOMG! I figured it out.
 

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first off unbirths can NOT be the soul because nobodies take up the body and soul.

unbirths cant be from any part of a human because nothing can seperate them as far as we know. only hte artificial keyblade and the heartless can i think the nobodies can too correct me if im wrong.

unbirths could be artificially made by some machine though because it was probably destroyed and thats why they disappeared
 

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first off unbirths can NOT be the soul because nobodies take up the body and soul.

Unbirths and Nobodies don't co-exist at the same time though. Unbirths seem to have become extinct before the first Heartless was created, and that's the earliest point in which Nobodies could've been created.
Hence, there's no contradiction.

unbirths cant be from any part of a human because nothing can seperate them as far as we know. only hte artificial keyblade and the heartless can i think the nobodies can too correct me if im wrong.

A human being becoming a Heartless is actually a 'natural' event. It can happen on its own if there is enough Darkness present.

unbirths could be artificially made by some machine though because it was probably destroyed and thats why they disappeared

Xehanort only created the machine after he witnessed the 'natural' birth of pure-blood Heartless. So why couldn't the Unbirths be born 'naturally'?
 

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first off unbirths canNOT be the soul because nobodies take up the body and soul.
Where is it said that unbirths cant be the soul?
unbirths cant be from any part of a human because nothing can seperate them as far as we know. only hte artificial keyblade and the heartless can i think the nobodies can too correct me if im wrong.
The soul separates from the body when death occurs.

unbirths could be artificially made by some machine though because it was probably destroyed and thats why they disappeared
Even if they were artificial some didnt have the unbirth emblem on them so maybe it is also a natural occurrence.
 
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