Unbirth - Unverse

[Smile]

Megaton: They are not "unbirths". The English name is "unversed", meaning "ones not well-versed in existence" or "ones that do not understand life". Working on full translation.

So to get first rights, to tell everyone they should stop with the "THEY'RE THE OPPOSITE OF LIFE HENCE THEY'RE DEATH", to stop talking about dead fetuses, and to show why I think this ties in with them being made of/related to Memories still and even more.

The first reason is what Krexia said. They would be un-versed in existence/life, and they do not understand it.
How could one understand life or be good at it if it doesn't remember anything? Memories are what holds out experience - unless of course you wanna tell me they're new-borns, which is slightly better than the whole 'died in the womb' theories x_x
So without the Memories, or if the Memories were corrupted, one would lose all their experience and knowledge, hence - Unverse.

Now, as both Heartless and Nobody have double meanings, one to show the nature of the existence and another to show the effect.

Heartless:
"Lack a Heart" hence they're cruel, while at the same time being the Hearts.

Nobody:
"Lacks" a "somebody" to be, hence - lacking an existence, an identity - while at the same time being made of the Bodies (directly or not, you can't deny that the base material is the Body and Soul).

Let's look at the Unverse then.
From Dictionary.com:

Verse - Noun.

1. A stanza
2. one of the lines of a poem.
3. a poem, or piece of poetry.

Stanzas, lines, pieces - verses - are what made up a whole poem. When you "unverse" the poem, you get broken pieces and parts that amount to nothing at all unless you know how to put them together. Separated, they're all but useless.

Why should you care about it?
No reason, only the following term:
Chains of Memory.

"Unverse" the Memories, and you'd get a person who's "Unversed" in the art of life and existence.

Now.

How this ties in with the Unverse being the ancestors for the Heartless

Well, as people were kind enough to tell me, the Unverse have to do with Negative Emotions, or something along that sort.
Well, they'd be to the Unverse what the Darkness was to the Heartless. The Negative Emotions would undo the links between the Memories, and would eventually create out of them a new being, much like how the Darkness wrapped itself around the Heart, pulled it out of the Body, and gave it its own form to walk around in.

That's my two cents. Go.

 

[Pianoajd2]

You win the race! Congratulations! Here's your ribbon!

The whole "unbirths have no memories" isn't new, but I like how you worked it into unversed.

Nice theory.

 

[Aria]

Why should you care about it?
No reason, only the following term:
Chains of Memory.

"Unverse" the Memories, and you'd get a person who's "Unversed" in the art of life and existence.

That's my two cents. Go.

I can't believe you just thought of that. This is now my favorite theory.

 

[Smile]

You win the race! Congratulations! Here's your ribbon!

Yey <3

The whole "unbirths have no memories" isn't new, but I like how you worked it into unversed.

Oh, I know it isn't new. I'm one of the people that have been claiming since forever that Unbirths were Memory related. It's only natural I'd try to see how it works out in light of the new meaning to their names, and lo and behold - it works.

Nice theory.

Thanks :3

I can't believe you just thought of that.

Wait. You wanna tell me you've never seen me pull fast ones out of my beautiful ass before?

This is now my favorite theory.

Awesome :3

 

[Memory Master]

Yeah except Nomura appaerantly said that Unversed are born from Negative emotions.

 

[Alex999]

yeah, how do emotions tie into this?

 

[Memory Master]

yeah, how do emotions tie into this?

I'm just saying that Nomura said Unverse are born from negative emotion, so theories about unversed need to be based on that from now on.

 

[Pianoajd2]

*a gunshot and explosioon is heard*

Wow, a theory created and shot down within 5 minutes...

However, where do emotions come from? The memory of the place or event...

 

[Aria]

Wait. You wanna tell me you've never seen me pull fast ones out of my beautiful ass before?

Nope lol.

Yeah except Nomura appaerantly said that Unversed are born from Negative emotions.

What??? Link please???

 

[Smile]

I'm just saying that Nomura said Unverse are born from negative emotion, so theories about unversed need to be based on that from now on.

1) lawl, no.
2) The emotions would undo the links in the Memories, and would call the Darkness to wrap up around the de-linked Memories to give them a shape of their own.
That really is a no brainer. I mean, the Heartless are basically born from the same thing, and we all know that those are related to Darkness/born from Darkness/call forth Darkness. You really need to think this one through? Jeez.

*a gunshot and explosioon is heard*

Wow, a theory created and shot down within 5 minutes...

I missed the shot down part 8D

However, where do emotions come from? The memory of the place or event...

True that, too. Spankyu <3

 

[Memory Master]

Nope lol.



What??? Link please???

Namine it's posted on the thread with the BBS nomura interview from Famitsu. Ya know the interview that confirmed they were called unverse

 

[Smile]

Namine it's posted on the thread with the BBS nomura interview from Famitsu. Ya know the interview that confirmed they were called unbirths.

You mean 'unverse', apparently. Going by the Katakana, they'd be written similarly to identically.

 

[Memory Master]

You mean 'unverse', apparently. Going by the Katakana, they'd be written similarly to identically.

Look point is i'm not saying anything against your theory, i'm just saying that negative emotions need to be a part of it now because Nomura said so.

 

[Aria]

Oh yeha I just saw it...I guess Smile could still be right in a way. If you "unverse" only the good memories you'd get only negative ones right?

 

[Smile]

Look point is i'm not saying anything against your theory, i'm just saying that negative emotions need to be a part of it now because Nomura said so.

And I wasn't saying they're not related. I'm saying why it IS related to Memories still. I didn't really go into what undid the links between the Memories, just that it's the end result.

Oh yeha I just saw it...I guess Smile could still be right in a way. If you "unverse" only the good memories you'd get only negative ones right?

Or if the negative Memories were to the Unverse what the Darkness was to the Heart. Tear it apart from where it belong and create a whole new being from it.

 

[Horizon's Knight]

Namine it's posted on the thread with the BBS nomura interview from Famitsu. Ya know the interview that confirmed they were called unverse

Unbirths are finally given some hint of their existence. I sort of figured they were related to emotions.

 

[Pianoajd2]

But how did the Heartless and Nobodies replace the Unversed? I'd imagine negative emotions were still around...

How could a few experiments change the way unbirths were created? Could it be something that was used to create unversed were now going to create heartless? How?

Now I've gone and confused myself...

 

[Ophan]

Being born from negative emotions hold ties to Xemnas/Xehanort as far as i see. All he could remember from his heart was hatred...

ppl should also realize that verse mean to familiarize by study or experience, which is the most logical definition being used with these creatures

 

[Alex999]

does your theory extend to the reason for why they don't exist now?

 

[Smile]

But how did the Heartless and Nobodies replace the Unversed? I'd imagine negative emotions were still around...

I just editted that into the main post. The Negative Emotions, as is hammered into our minds in KH1, are what calls the Darkness, and is what grows inside a person's Heart once the Darkness is in there.
They're effectively the same being, with some changes.

How could a few experiments change the way unbirths were created? Could it be something that was used to create unversed were now going to create heartless? How?

does your theory extend to the reason for why they don't exist now?

See above. It would possibly be a more 'brutal' and 'violent' process, where the Darkness itself would come into play, and create a Heartless out of the whole Heart instead of just an Unverse.
And as for how that happened, aside from the experiments where Xehanort all but forced Darkness into Hearts, something that wasn't there before he began his experiments (whereas Negative Emotions were always present), we can always use the wild-card that is BBS being the rule-changing game, where things work differently from before it and after it.