Unbirth - Unverse

[Aria]

But how did the Heartless and Nobodies replace the Unversed? I'd imagine negative emotions were still around...

That's what I thought. It seems like there's nothing to stop them from coming back. KHIII maybe? *joking*
Edit: Nevermind

 

[Memory Master]

Being born from negative emotions hold ties to Xemnas/Xehanort as far as i see. All he could remember from his heart was hatred...

Ah! I think I've got it!

Unverse are born from Negative emotions. Terra said all he felt was anger and hatred toward Xehanort and Xemnas only remembered anger and hatred.

Maybe the darkness in the heart consumes the whole being and thus they forget all about life and only have dark memories. This causes them to turn into an unverse.

Maybe Terra becomes an unverse/human hybrid. Terra becomes the young Xehanort and his change in physical appearance is due to the effects of the negative emotions. This is why he can only remember the name Xehanort, the name of the man that caused his negative emotions.

 

[Smile]

Maybe Terra becomes an unverse/human hybrid.

:v
Just... :v

And stop hijacking my thread, go make your own and say 'yey, it's based on Smile's thread'

 

[*TwilightNight*]

Memories are what holds out experience - unless of course you wanna tell me they're new-borns-

That actually still works well with the word "Unbirth" when you look at it. Perhaps it's that sort of case that we're dealing with here.

From Dictionary.com:

Verse - Noun.

1. A stanza
2. one of the lines of a poem.
3. a poem, or piece of poetry.

verse 2 (vûrs)
tr.v. versed, vers·ing, vers·es
To familiarize by study or experience.

Verse can also mean knowledgeable. So they "are not yet knowledgeable in life". Thus, "Unversed". That's how Nomura's describes it. And Heartless don't have any sense of self. And while lower Nobodies are more intelligent in that, they still don't really have a mind of their own. They follow instinct and they are ordered around. So we can say the same thing here. And the fact that they are born/grow out from negative emotions/energy...

Maybe the Unverse are those born from negative emotions (and they feed off of it as well), but since that's all they know or are made of, they are not really knowledgeable of life.

They could have easily said Darkness, because one would think that it would fit the overall meaning. But it's separated. And there isn't a mention of memories anywhere. As I said, negative can mean anything from sadness to loss. But as long as you aren't controlled by that (a.k.a. depression), it wouldn't exactly be considered "dark". Darkness in KH seems to be more connected to hatred, obsession, greed, desire, etc.

Not a farfetched theory overall, though.

On the other hand:

-- And we'll also learn about the origins of the "seven princesses"...?

Nomura: It's connected to the idea of "hearts of light, without darkness". But this isn't about the princesses' birth, it's to do with "something" that awakens in people who have hearts where light resides. It's a condition the three protagonists are investigating.

Hmm.

 

[Smile]

I have sooo many ideas related to Kairi about that quote now and I feel more 'told you so' rights bubbling up but we'll leave it aside for now.

 

[Ophan]

I don't quite agree with the whole memory part. From what i can gather, the unversed are like an unconditional transition of the hearts emotions that would coincide with darkness. In this case they don't understand the existence of life, and are created from negative emotions that tide with darkness. How exactly they come into existence themselves is a mystery, because i wouldn't think someone would be devoid of happiness and then suddenly turn into an unversed. Another thing that may be possible is that they feed on either the happiness/hatred of ppl's hearts.

 

[*TwilightNight*]

I also had another thought amongst this:

Me: "Maybe the Unverse are those born from negative emotions (and they feed off of it as well), but since that's all they know or are made of, they are not really knowledgeable of life."





MINOR SPOILERS, I guess?


In [B]Days[/B], Roxas is kind of the same way. Meaning, he first starts off as a "blank slate" you can say, and doesn't really express himself or barely speaks. Unless you count "..." as speaking. So he's kind of like a new born who has to learn life over again, because he lacks memories of his past life. Maybe the Unverse are the same as well, except they are created from negative emotions (thus, cannot know the full experience of life that it can bring), instead of the usual Nobody way of being born.

 

[Chakolat Strawberry]

Being born from negative emotions hold ties to Xemnas/Xehanort as far as i see. All he could remember from his heart was hatred...

Hmm..

-- I think fans of the series are wondering about the true nature of Ven, who resembles Roxas, and what lies in Terra's future...

Nomura: We've given a lot of hints in that area, so I think there are some people who can figure it out.

-- What can you tell us about the "Unversed"?

Nomura: The English name will be "Unversed". The meaning is "those that are not well-versed in existence/life" and they grow out of negative emotions. You'll understand the meaning of this when you play the game.

Xehanort = Terra's Unversed?
That's all I got :/

 

[Smile]

That would have to be one unique unverse, to be able to split into a Heartless and a Nobody.

And I'm beginning to think that Unverse = Heartless as far as the process is concerned, only whatever happened in BBS made it so that the Negative Emotions became Darkness, and because the motivation for the process changed, so did the end result.

 

[Ehres]

Love the theory, Smile. If I could ask a question? Is it possible that an Unversed was born from Terra near the end of BBS, and what was remaining of Terra, say if he had his memories removed/delinked/whatever (I'm still trying to understand the Unversed thing clearly) via the Unversed, became Xehanort? Is this a stupid question?

+ rep for Smile.

 

[Smile]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Lingering Sentiment would end up being Terra's Unverse or something along those lines. Nobodies weren't around in KH1 originally, but then the Unknown fight was added in the Final Mix. Now, while not added in by Nomura, it doesn't mean he wouldn't end up using the Lingering Sentiment fight, like he already did to show Riku was the KK's originally chosen one.
It would certainly fall in with at least part of what happened to Terra to make him create Xehanort, though I still think that he'd have needed something to replace whatever went to create his Unverse, otherwise I don't really see him create a Nobody and a Heartless.

 

[Ehres]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Lingering Sentiment would end up being Terra's Unverse or something along those lines. Nobodies weren't around in KH1 originally, but then the Unknown fight was added in the Final Mix. Now, while not added in by Nomura, it doesn't mean he wouldn't end up using the Lingering Sentiment fight, like he already did to show Riku was the KK's originally chosen one.
It would certainly fall in with at least part of what happened to Terra to make him create Xehanort, though I still think that he'd have needed something to replace whatever went to create his Unverse, otherwise I don't really see him create a Nobody and a Heartless.

I feel really stupid now. Please bear with me tonight, because I really wanna get into this whole Unversed thing since the interview got me really excited. Okay. So, are you saying that the Lingering Sentiment could be Terra's Unversed, while Xehanort was the part that remained sans memories? That could explain why the Lingering Sentiment seems to remember who he chose to be the next Keyblade Master (if Terra did, of course), meaning maybe while Xehanort (whatever he was) had no memories, the Unversed retained those memories? If the Unversed race retains memories, of course. I hope I'm making sense.

though I still think that he'd have needed something to replace whatever went to create his Unverse, otherwise I don't really see him create a Nobody and a Heartless.

Could you explain this a little better? I'm confused. :/

 

[Smile]

I feel really stupid now. Please bear with me tonight, because I really wanna get into this whole Unversed thing since the interview got me really excited.

Gogogo.
Finally something I can hype over too XD

I'll answer this now:

Could you explain this a little better? I'm confused. :/

Okay. So, are you saying that the Lingering Sentiment could be Terra's Unversed, while Xehanort was the part that remained sans memories?

Not only. Since Xehanort became a Heartless/Heart and cast off a Nobody, I find it hard to believe he was an Unverse. Sounds more like a whole being to me. That means that whatever Terra lost when he 'cast off' The Lingering Sentiment, he had to have gotten back from someplace else to become Whole again.
Hence where the Terra + MX = Xehanort theory comes into play.

That could explain why the Lingering Sentiment seems to remember who he chose to be the next Keyblade Master (if Terra did, of course)

Not so much the next Master as much as who'd wield the KK.

meaning maybe while Xehanort (whatever he was) had no memories, the Unversed retained those memories? If the Unversed race retains memories, of course. I hope I'm making sense.

You are. They'd basically be the Memories, leaving the person without them. Hence why Xehanort forgot basically everything, but the Lingering Sentiment was trapped inside those negative memories.

 

[Unabomber]

i like it, it has logical thought behind it. unlike most theories i see on this site.

 

[Kitsune_XIII]

Okay, I guess I missed an interview...
But that's besides the point.
Point is, this theory is GREAT. Has details, has evidence, has examples...
And you explained it in a way that even people who haven't read the interview can understand it.
Kudos to you for yet another great theory.

 

[Ehres]

Gogogo.
Finally something I can hype over too XD

Well I'm not too good at theorising so in the past I've taken a back seat, but after I read the latest interview & read your theory, it got me thinking.

Not only. Since Xehanort became a Heartless/Heart and cast off a Nobody, I find it hard to believe he was an Unverse.

Meaning the Unversed are unable to become Heartless/Nobodies. A stupid statement buttt, you get me. Xehanort possibly being an Unverse throws a spanner in the works (I don't believe it myself but you have to consider all sides.)

Sounds more like a whole being to me. That means that whatever Terra lost when he 'cast off' The Lingering Sentiment, he had to have gotten back from someplace else to become Whole again. Hence where the Terra + MX = Xehanort theory comes into play.

If this is so, wouldn't it mean that MX ultimately got what he wanted? Since he told Terra to "cross the wall to his origin" and all. Meaning that MX would have known what happened to Terra, realised he was incomplete & realised he could "fuse" with Terra. Why he could have wanted that is beyond me, but maybe it was to simply preserve himself and to be able to carry on his work in his next life. But having said that, is MX even human? He himself could be an Unverse, because after all, could a human (MX) + an incomplete human (Terra) fuse? It would be easier to believe that MX is an Unverse in that case, but that is loosely based on this little theory.

And also, the rearrangement of Xehanort's name would make more sense, too; Another X (though some believe it to be No Heart X). Another Xehanort.

Not so much the next Master as much as who'd wield the KK.

Meaning it's possible Terra isn't a Keyblade Master?

They'd basically be the Memories, leaving the person without them. Hence why Xehanort forgot basically everything, but the Lingering Sentiment was trapped inside those negative memories.

Aha, the name'd make sense, then. Lingering Sentiment. Sentiment meaning feeling/emotion, of course; i.e. lingering negative feelings.

 

[Smile]

If this is so, wouldn't it mean that MX ultimately got what he wanted? Since he told Terra to "cross the wall to his origin" and all. Meaning that MX would have known what happened to Terra, realised he was incomplete & realised he could "fuse" with Terra.

Way I see it, the Lingering Sentiment was born when they fused. Like, because there were once two whole beings and now there was one, things had to have been removed during the fusion. Hence the LS was born. Though him trying to trigger Terra into casting off an Unverse so he could fuse with him is indeed an interesting thought.

Meaning it's possible Terra isn't a Keyblade Master?

Terra was confirmed to be an apprentice. We know he chose Riku for the KK. How and why is unclear at the time.

Aha, the name'd make sense, then. Lingering Sentiment. Sentiment meaning feeling/emotion, of course; i.e. lingering negative feelings.

Or feelings, period. How he uttered Aqua and Ven's names would be bitterness, but he'd have to hold some sort of fondness and affection towards them to even mention them, let alone mourn them.

 

[Ehres]

Way I see it, the Lingering Sentiment was born when they fused. Like, because there were once two whole beings and now there was one, things had to have been removed during the fusion. Hence the LS was born. Though him trying to trigger Terra into casting off an Unverse so he could fuse with him is indeed an interesting thought.

Hmmm, this leaves me at a stump. I find it hard to believe that MX fused with Terra as two complete human beings because it seems... I don't know... a bit difficult? A lot of things could go wrong but I don't know enough about MX, regarding his personality, to talk of what he would personally choose to do. I think, maybe, now that I think of it, that MX himself did something to Terra to force Terra to cast off an Unverse so he could fuse with Terra & continue living for whatever reason. So, like, halving Terra so he could fit himself in & use Terra as a host, almost? Sort of like, unlinking Terra's memories so Terra would forget everything and hence wouldn't resist whatever MX wanted, and maybe MX did something during the fusion, like... put his scientific knowledge (if he was a scientist) in place of Terra's memories, which could explain why Xehanort is so intelligent. I don't know. I'm grasping at straws now and not really believing myself.

Terra was confirmed to be an apprentice. We know he chose Riku for the KK. How and why is unclear at the time.

Gotcha.

Or feelings, period. How he uttered Aqua and Ven's names would be bitterness, but he'd have to hold some sort of fondness and affection towards them to even mention them, let alone mourn them.

Going by your theory that the LS was born when MX and Terra, two complete beings, fused, this would make sense. Perhaps MX forced Terra into it via experimentation (since MX is possibly a scientist) and maybe the LS remembers everything that Terra experienced? Sort of like Terra himself, but not, if you understand. That could be why he mentioned Aqua and Ven, wondering what happened to them and wondering why Sora's got the Keyblade.

I can't help but feeling that the DS is connected in all of this, somehow. This post has contradicted itself, considering two possibilities of how the LS was born, but I'm gonna do it again: is it possible that the DS is like... a copy of MX? Like an Unverse he is able to control & manipulate? All sorts of ideas are springing up now. :/

 

[Audo]

I'd rather LS being Terra's Unversed than Xehanort the Apprentice as people are now flocking to theorize >.>

 

[Smile]

Hmmm, this leaves me at a stump. I find it hard to believe that MX fused with Terra as two complete human beings because it seems... I don't know... a bit difficult? A lot of things could go wrong but I don't know enough about MX, regarding his personality, to talk of what he would personally choose to do.
I think, maybe, now that I think of it, that MX himself did something to Terra to force Terra to cast off an Unverse so he could fuse with Terra & continue living for whatever reason. So, like, halving Terra so he could fit himself in & use Terra as a host, almost? Sort of like, unlinking Terra's memories so Terra would forget everything and hence wouldn't resist whatever MX wanted, and maybe MX did something during the fusion, like... put his scientific knowledge (if he was a scientist) in place of Terra's memories, which could explain why Xehanort is so intelligent. I don't know. I'm grasping at straws now and not really believing myself.

Well, what if Terra did it as a means to an end to try and stop him? The outcome, aside from MX being stopped, wouldn't really matter

I'd rather LS being Terra's Unversed than Xehanort the Apprentice as people are now flocking to theorize >.>

C'mon, Audo, we both know less-than-satisfactory theories are going to pop up, regardless of the info.