Vanitas Identity

[Deleted member 60399]

He could be anybody. God, why does Nomura gives us so many questions and so little anwers?!

 

[Dcasd1]

because we give him ideas to some of the things he doesn't even know about the game.

 

[Gram]

its a good theory, until omnichoas thread raped it anyway.

 

[Allister Rose]

I hope Vanitas doesnt end up being another character who lacks originality, he already has far too many riku resemblance,

 

[Oathkeeper512]

I think I thought of something truly briliant, Vanitas has nothing to do with our heroes, meaning hes not connected to any of them other than him being a villan.

I think i believe that earlier postings showed that his name could roughly be translated into Vanity correct? Well think about it what are most mad man after immortality! Vanitas is not an Unversed of Ven or anything like that he is merely a clone of Xehanort, a "YOUNGER" version of him self, he wants to be come imortal instead of aging and becoming a decrepit old man, hence where "Vanity" comes in. If you watch any of the trailers with them together they walk with the same stature and hold there bodies identically! This is how we end up with the younger Xehanort in KH 1 & 2 he is merely a replica of Xehanort himself, and after his master and him are beaten he loses his memories, MX obviously dies and he carries on his legacy!

Flame all you want but the connections are there, maybe im wrong wont know till the game comes out thats fine with me but it struck me like a bolt of lightning just like my theory as to why Roxas was Soras Nobody before KH2 came out.

Oh and if this has been thought of before close the thread

Ehh... i dont like this theory. I'm a believer of Terra becoming the Xehanort we see in KH/KH2. U could be right though it does seem like a very logical theory..

 

[7thspade]

Like Anagram said, you really had me going along with this one, until OmniChaos poked it full of holes.

 

[Gram]

I hope Vanitas doesnt end up being another character who lacks originality, he already has far too many riku resemblance,

then i'd prepare to be disappointed, just in case XD

Like Anagram said

i was quoted

OmniChaos poked it full of holes.

 

[Evello]

It makes a bit of sense, except how could Vanitas grow to about 30 years old in two years? Unless you want to suggest that he's about 28 in BbS.

Vanitas really can't be Xehanort.

Edit: Wow, I didn't see OmniChaos' post...

 

[barricade21153]

I'm sorry but am I the only one that thinks xemnas and MX look the same in the face? Take away the hair and you can MX.

 

[Vanitas~]

Someone previously stated that Vanitas and Ventus sound similar and that Vanitas means emptiness. Also, like so many previously posted, he has too many characteristics in common with Riku:
1- His outfit looks like Riku when he's in Dark Aura mode
2- His keyblade has 'eyes' on it. Only Soul Eater is like this, and on top of that, the eyes are virtually identical in size, shape, design, and color.
3- He does, from my interpretation, have a similar fighting style to Riku, albeit only a small one.
4- He has some MAJOR connection to Ven, while Riku has a MAJOR relationship to Sora. Remember: Roxas looks and sounds like Ven. Big connector there. Also, a little event in Days is another thing tying Ven to Sora.

 

[TredCRS]

Your wrong, the word "Vanitas" is roughly translated into emptiness in latin and was chosen for its similar look/sound to "Ventus" stated by Nomura in an interview I believe. If he had nothing to do with the heroes or Ven at least, Nomura would not have said he chose the name Vanitas because of its meaning and similarities to Ventus.

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in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. The term vanitas itself refers to the artsArt

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, meaning "emptinessEmptiness

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" and loosely translated corresponds to the meaninglessness of earthly life and the transient nature of vanityVanity

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is often quoted in conjunction with this term.


So we were both right, its translates directly to emptiness, and loosely to the art and nature of Vanity.

And to those saying hes too young to be the Xehanort in 1 & 2 dont forget that BBS is ten years before either of those games and we do not know how old Vanitas is.

And to the skeptics saying that MX cannot be defeated cause of the BBS original trailer, think about it, that was almost what four years ago, how much has the concept and the characters of BBS changed since then, yes the ending of this game is not going to be a happy one cause something yet unknown happens to our heroes but I dont think the villans are gonna win this one or there wouldnt be a Kingdom Hearts game to begin with the worlds would have been thrown into darkness if the evil duo are not stopped.


Uh... Xehanort becomes a Nobody ONE year after BbS. Maleficent took over Hollow Bastion 9 years before KH1, so the apprentices had already turned into Nobodies by then.

So Vanitas has to be at least 28 years old at the beginning of BbS(because Nomura said Xemnas, Xehanort's Nobody, looked about 30). Does Vanitas look 28 to you? There's no way he could grow to XH's height in one year
How do we know Xehanort Becomes a nobody one year after BBS? I dont remember reading about this?

 

[Orion]

He could be anybody. God, why does Nomura gives us so many questions and so little anwers?!

Why would we want to know too much about him before the game comes out? That ruins the point of learning anything in-game.

 

[trignomtri]

i like the theory even though it has some flaws reps for you good sir

 

[Evello]

I'm sorry but am I the only one that thinks xemnas and MX look the same in the face? Take away the hair and you can MX.

Well, Xemnas IS the Nobody of Xehanort... so it would make sense that Master Xehanort would look something like him.

It's simple logic. Master Xehanort looks like Xehanort. Xehanort looks like Xemnas. So MX looks like Xemnas.

And to those saying hes too young to be the Xehanort in 1 & 2 dont forget that BBS is ten years before either of those games and we do not know how old Vanitas is.

Uh... Xehanort becomes a Nobody ONE year after BbS. Maleficent took over Hollow Bastion 9 years before KH1, so the apprentices had already turned into Nobodies by then.

So Vanitas has to be at least 28 years old at the beginning of BbS(because Nomura said Xemnas, Xehanort's Nobody, looked about 30). Does Vanitas look 28 to you? There's no way he could grow to XH's height in one year

 

[Ansem Darkheart]

Too me it is pretty obvious that Vanitas IS, or is heavily connected to Riku. The only reason they could be hiding his face for so long is because he is somebody we already know. The first choices that come to everyones mind are Xehanort and Riku. I personally support the MX/Terra Xehanort theory, but I won't get in to that. Logic just says it's Riku. Or Riku in the same way that Ven is Roxas. He already looks, resembles, and too me sounds like Riku. His face probably just gives it away so they hid it.

I don't know, that all makes sense to me. Don't ask me how Vanitas gets to be Riku, because I don't know. It's all part of the mystery of Birth by Sleep and the origin of the Unversed.

My vote: Vanitas = Riku

 

[Orion]

My vote: Vanitas = Riku

Riku has been seen as a ~5-year-old child in BBS already. It doesn't work.

 

[OmniChaos]

And to the skeptics saying that MX cannot be defeated cause of the BBS original trailer, think about it, that was almost what four years ago, how much has the concept and the characters of BBS changed since then, yes the ending of this game is not going to be a happy one cause something yet unknown happens to our heroes

And? We already have the keyblade graveyard at the crossroads and Vanitas splitting from MX in the game. Plus, it's already been said that it was a scene in the game, so I don't see why we should question whether or not it'll happen as shown, since, aside from some added dialogue, it seems to be going more or less as shown.

but I dont think the villans are gonna win this one or there wouldnt be a Kingdom Hearts game to begin with the worlds would have been thrown into darkness if the evil duo are not stopped.

You seem to have misunderstood. While I do not think VAT had a snowball's chance in hell at defeating MX, I do not think MX and Vanitas both walked away from the crossroads. I believe MX and Terra somehow fused, possibly via KH, into Xehanort and that Vanitas somehow ends up being placed inside Riku similar to how Ven somehow ends up being placed inside of Sora.

Riku has been seen as a ~5-year-old child in BBS already. It doesn't work.

I believe he is saying Vanitas is "put into" Riku similar to how Ven is placed into Sora.

 

[Ansem Darkheart]

Thank you OmniChaos. I just didn't feel like typing it all out. There are too many similarities for Vanitas to have nothing to do with Riku. I know OmniChaos has already pointed it out but, Riku definitely had that fighting style/battle stance long before Xehanort/Ansem SoD came along and possessed him. And after studying much Japanese voice acting of Riku, I have concluded that Riku and Vanitas sound similar enough to back up some of my speculation.

And for the record, Nomura said, "2 figures are seen on Destiny Islands, and I think you know what that means." I don't remember him ever confirming they were indeed Sora and Riku. I am, obviously, pretty sure they are, but there are no certainties until the game is out. And even then, I'm sure there will be more questions.

 

[Awesome Ansem]

plus the presence of Vanitas could've been what attracted Ansem (once Master Xehanort) to Riku in the first place.

 

[barricade21153]

Well, Xemnas IS the Nobody of Xehanort... so it would make sense that Master Xehanort would look something like him.

It's simple logic. Master Xehanort looks like Xehanort. Xehanort looks like Xemnas. So MX looks like Xemnas.

Uh... Xehanort becomes a Nobody ONE year after BbS. Maleficent took over Hollow Bastion 9 years before KH1, so the apprentices had already turned into Nobodies by then.

So Vanitas has to be at least 28 years old at the beginning of BbS(because Nomura said Xemnas, Xehanort's Nobody, looked about 30). Does Vanitas look 28 to you? There's no way he could grow to XH's height in one year

Yeah but the thing about it is I don't think that Xehanort looks like MX, only Xemnas. I just don't see the resemblance.