What was God thinking?

[Fuse]

First off, I was told when I was much younger that God knows my every thought and knows my future and knows the future of EVERYTHING.

I was just thinking the other day, I go to church, but I'm not sure whether I want to believe or not..
And it brought to my attention this question.

if God knows the future of everything he created, WHY the hell would he create the angels, and Lucifer, knowing he would fall because of his pride becoming an evil being?

WHY, would he create man if he knew man would betray him?

What the hell are we?
God's puppet show?

 

[Jopari]

Well, you seem to have hit a crisis point in religion. Most the time I don't hear about God knowing the future because he gave people free will. But your questions are quite common and really can't be answered unless you have enough faith to believe that god had a greater purpose. Meaning that you have to believe so much in god's unfailing power that he can create a rebellion and do it all for his own gain.

Sorry if you can't understand this, I'm having trouble with getting the right words.

 

[darkshadow666]

its the teenage thing where you question your beliefs.
Jopari's right though.
if you believe in God then youll know that he had a greater purpose.

 

[Livi]

I believe he did so to see who would have faith. Sure he'll end up destroying Satan in the end, but for now he wants to see what we're going to do.

If there ever is going to be an apocolypse, he wants to give us time to believe in him and have faith so when the day comes, we'll rise into heaven with him.

That's just my belief, though I agree with Jopari as well.

 

[Phoenix]

but for now he wants to see what we're going to do.

Doesn't he already know what we're going to do? Hence, what is the point to allow it to happen if he knows everything?

 

[Hollow Bastion]

Then just narrow it down to three possible cases. God either knows all possible outcomes but cannot say which one will the one taken, God doesn't know the future per se but has an idea of what possibly may happen in general, or God simply does not know the future.

And if you dislike those possibilities, then remove all free will from humanity and you'll be stuck with what was mentioned above.

 

[SuperEclipse]

He probably was on crack at the time he made us humans..

If God is real and he knows what was going to happen, then he is racist, murder, rapist etc.. And I would reather go hell then serve a god like that..

 

[Iwrestledabearonce]

>_>

I think Hollow Bastion hit a point.

God knows all possible CHOICES that each and every one of us can take, however, he is unsure of WHICH we will take, because we hold free will.

Therefore, it isn't God's fault that rape, murder, etc. goes on. Humans have a choice. Whether or not they choose the one that God wants them to choose, is up to them.

That's my personal belief. Oh, and SuperEclipse, crack didn't exist when God was making us. =D

 

[SuperEclipse]

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That's my personal belief. Oh, and SuperEclipse, crack didn't exist when God was making us. =D

God knew everything, so there he knew about crack and LCD..

I still say he was something crack, lol.. He had to be on something when made Humans..

 

[Demi_Shock]

God here:

Constantly on crack, i did create it after all.

 

[Phoenix]

God knows all possible CHOICES that each and every one of us can take, however, he is unsure of WHICH we will take, because we hold free will.

Hence, he is not omniscient.

 

[Iwrestledabearonce]

^No, he is. He KNOWS everything. He, however, doesn't know the CHOICES we will take. If we take a choice, he instantly knows what will become of us, until we meet the next difficult choice.

At least, I think.

We cannot say, however, because none of us have physically spoken to God, and asked him this important question. So, until then, nobody can say.

 

[TheLastKnight]

he wants to see the look on ur faces (joking)

seriously, good question I would have to agree with everyone

 

[SuperEclipse]

. He KNOWS everything. He, however, doesn't know the CHOICES we will take. If we take a choice, he instantly knows what will become of us, until we meet the next difficult choice.

Okay you lost me..

If he doesnt the known the choices we make, then he doesn't know everything..

 

[Iwrestledabearonce]

^It's really hard to put in words. . . . ._.

Well, I can't really speak for God. I wish God could be confirm/deny whatever we question.

Would be nice. Would be very nice.

 

[Fonzo]

no, God knows whats going to happen but he wants to see if we really love him as a god

 

[Joy]

>_>

I think Hollow Bastion hit a point.

God knows all possible CHOICES that each and every one of us can take, however, he is unsure of WHICH we will take, because we hold free will.

Therefore, it isn't God's fault that rape, murder, etc. goes on. Humans have a choice. Whether or not they choose the one that God wants them to choose, is up to them.

That's my personal belief. Oh, and SuperEclipse, crack didn't exist when God was making us. =D

Then God is not almighty. God is not all powerful. God is not all. God... would be what humans are to insects.

 

[Phoenix]

^No, he is. He KNOWS everything. He, however, doesn't know the CHOICES we will take. If we take a choice, he instantly knows what will become of us, until we meet the next difficult choice.

He's not omniscient. Quit claiming he is.

 

[Hollow Bastion]

^No, he is. He KNOWS everything. He, however, doesn't know the CHOICES we will take. If we take a choice, he instantly knows what will become of us, until we meet the next difficult choice.

At least, I think.

We cannot say, however, because none of us have physically spoken to God, and asked him this important question. So, until then, nobody can say.

You would have to define what omniscience is. Is omniscience knowing everything, including the actual paths taken, or is the definition of omniscience limited to knowing all possible paths, but not the path taken?

One of those definitions allows for free will. The other rejects the notion of it.

Referring back to my previous post,

Then just narrow it down to three possible cases. God either knows all possible outcomes but cannot say which one will the one taken, God doesn't know the future per se but has an idea of what possibly may happen in general, or God simply does not know the future.

And if you dislike those possibilities, then remove all free will from humanity and you'll be stuck with what was mentioned above.

The first paragraph allows free will to exist, while also displaying limited omniscience. The second paragraph has no free will, but has full omniscience.

 

[Replica Riku]

no, God knows whats going to happen but he wants to see if we really love him as a god

What? If you truly does know everything, he would already know what choices people will make. Unless, it's as Hollow Bastion has said, in which he sees all possible paths, but not which would be taken. If that is the case, God couldn't be considered Omniscient.

You would have to define what omniscience is. Is omniscience knowing everything, including the actual paths taken, or is the definition of omniscience limited to knowing all possible paths, but not the path taken?

Well, the definitions I've checked all state knowledge of all things.With that, if God didn't know what choices will be made, I wouldn't see that as knowing everything.