Kingdom Hearts maybe coming to an end, Final Fantasy XVI likely being the last numbered title in the series, ohhhh but time makes you bolder even children get older and I'm gettin' older, too
When are we expecting news?
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My stance on that "KH4 and ML are designed to be standalone" comment is simply that he's basically said that about almost every title post-KH2 for varying reasons and it's not really much different here. His comment about KH4 being written to lead to a conclusion doesn't mean KH4 is the end but rather, knowing of his eventual retirement, he's going about this in a way that KH4 and onward need to be done with the knowledge that this must lead to a definitive conclusion.
Like seriously, why would KH4 itself be the endpoint if it's meant to be the actual start of this Lost Masters arc?
Like seriously, why would KH4 itself be the endpoint if it's meant to be the actual start of this Lost Masters arc?
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This was just confusion over the conflicting translations. We know now the more accurate one makes it clear KH4 is a possible beginning of the end and not the end itself.
Speaking of, are there any plans for a KHI translation/news post on this? I know Goldpanner’s been inactive for some time now on Twitter, so just wondering if there’s any chance of a translation from them.
Either way, Nomura really doesn’t want anyone else working on these games. Plus, we’ve yet to see any Bronze Age Disney representation so I feel like that should at least be done beforehand
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Hearing about this interview and seeing all the reactions online have been quite fascinating. Some are filled with doom and gloom while others are welcoming whatever comes next. So what does ole SweetYetSalty think? I guess I'm somewhere in the middle. When Nomura retires I'd say Sora and crew should retire with him. Kingdom Hearts could and should continue on but with a new cast of characters and hopefully easier to follow lore that still keeps fans on their toes.
Though seeing that Nomura and the staff have to be reminded of the story doesn't surprise me. The writing and presentation of KH3 already showed that. The statement of KH4 being new player friendly means nothing, they said the same thing about KH3. This deep in I think it's near impossible for a Kingdom Hearts game to be newcomer friendly as it is, especially with this Lost Master Arc which feels even more complex then the Xehanort saga if we're going to be following up the mobile games.
I doubt KH4 is the last game, though an argument for the potential KH5 is possible. But back to retirement, after the Lost Master's arc I'd actually be okay with a new cast. I feel like 90% of the current KH cast have already done their arcs and now characters just react to the lore of the story rather then it being about them anymore. I admit I'd be very sad to see them all go, but at the same time I don't want them to become soulless like say, Ash Ketchum from Pokemon.
If they ever did do a new series of Kingdom Hearts once Nomura steps down I could see the old KH characters being the 'Final Fantasy' cameos instead as a hook. But I'm getting ahead of myself. The series isn't ending tomorrow or anything.
Though seeing that Nomura and the staff have to be reminded of the story doesn't surprise me. The writing and presentation of KH3 already showed that. The statement of KH4 being new player friendly means nothing, they said the same thing about KH3. This deep in I think it's near impossible for a Kingdom Hearts game to be newcomer friendly as it is, especially with this Lost Master Arc which feels even more complex then the Xehanort saga if we're going to be following up the mobile games.
I doubt KH4 is the last game, though an argument for the potential KH5 is possible. But back to retirement, after the Lost Master's arc I'd actually be okay with a new cast. I feel like 90% of the current KH cast have already done their arcs and now characters just react to the lore of the story rather then it being about them anymore. I admit I'd be very sad to see them all go, but at the same time I don't want them to become soulless like say, Ash Ketchum from Pokemon.
If they ever did do a new series of Kingdom Hearts once Nomura steps down I could see the old KH characters being the 'Final Fantasy' cameos instead as a hook. But I'm getting ahead of myself. The series isn't ending tomorrow or anything.
I hadn’t considered this point. Capital idea
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It’s true that devs are almost always going to say the current game is accessible for newcomers. KH3 was always going to be an uphill battle for a newcomer to fully understand considering it was the culmination of a decades long saga. The claim that it was a good entry point was always dubious at best. They tried to justify those claims by writing in awkward exposition dumps that recapped the previous games. But that was to the game’s detriment.
However, KH4 is under no obligation to immediately wrap up any of the open plot threads or character arcs we currently have, This gives it the benefit of being able to focus on telling a brand new story while taking its time re-introducing any pre-existing characters and plot threads in an organic way. If it does this, it will genuinely be more accessible to newcomers similar to how God of War 2018 was.
The comments they made for KH3 were clearly part of the marketing mandate to get more new players. But the way Nomura talks about this and considering we aren’t in the active marketing cycle, I’m inclined to believe he sincerely means they are writing the game to be a more organic entry point.
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Him specifically mentioning new writers and deliberately bringing in people who haven't worked on the series before are signs that point towards that as well.
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I have updated the format of the translation to make it easier to read, and I have realized that there are 13 questions.Page 3 is KH.
I will share this for now:
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As there are many people sharing the translation on various Discords and on the subreddit, I have decided to update the formatting to make it easier to read. The content remains the same.
Although I don't think anyone is going to come here to consult directly
Of course it had to be 13
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I don't know about this. GoW 2018 didn't have several years of prequel phone game plot that still waits to be untangled and dealt with in the present. The first couple KH4 worlds will probably be simple, just the usual "huhhh what's going on???" said by Sora as he falls backwards into adventure. Same as always. But eventually the gargantuan amount of gacha plot will need to float up to the surface and to me it just seems like too much information for the uninitiated to deal with. I might be wrong, I'm sure Sora himself will be ever confused as always, he'll be a surrogate for the new blood players I guess. But it's not really the same situation as GoW 2018 where you just needed to understand that Kratos was oddly strong, a foreigner to these lands, and previously killed tons of people.
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As I said, there’s no obligation for them to resolve or even bring up plot threads of the mobile games in KH4 specifically. Some of the lore and characters will be relevant. But those can be organically reintroduced via Sora, Mickey, etc. meeting those characters or learning about those events.
They (and we) don’t need all the minutia either. The main thing for the overall Lost Master arc is to establish that there were 13 True Darknesses, MoM is using himself and the Foretellers as vessels for 7 of them to be destroyed, and the other 6 were either destroyed or fate unknown. But even that may not really be addressed much in KH4 if the focus is more on the Verum Rex plot. The best thing KH4 can do is focus on telling a new story in the present .
KH does have more lore baggage than GoW and I don’t think it will be that much of a blank slate. But it was the first example I thought of. Maybe a better example is the Percy Jackson/Heroes of Olympus books. I read the sequel series first and had no issue understanding the story. Sure it builds on previous lore and there were some callbacks that I didn’t appreciate until going back and reading the previous books. But overall, it was written in a way that reintroduced the reader to all the relevant characters and plot details.
Having fresh writers helps too as they have someone to say, “I’m not following this, so new players probably won’t either.” The writers will decide how much backstory we need to know for the new story they want to tell. If they want it to be a mostly fresh start, they can write it that way. The NEO:TWEWY writer who came on board already did a great job doing that with NEO. I played that game with no knowledge of the first game’s plot and had no issues. So I have faith they’ll pull it off for KH4 too.
I’m also sure there will be some Master’s Reports or something that will talk about the UX lore for those that want to seek that out.
Gonna be a sad day when Nomura retires. He is one of my favourite japanase artists. The other was Akira Toriyama who passed away this year.
If I had to guess the rest of his games besides KH and FF Remake part 3, I would say Verum Rex, Final Fantasy X Remake and/or Final Fantasy X-3. Maybe if a miracle happens TWEWY 3 too.
If I had to guess the rest of his games besides KH and FF Remake part 3, I would say Verum Rex, Final Fantasy X Remake and/or Final Fantasy X-3. Maybe if a miracle happens TWEWY 3 too.
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No matter how crazy or complicated things get (and I love that kind of shit) with this crazy series I will definitely miss Nomura a lot once he chooses to retire and leave the series. If the series does keep on going than whoever takes over his role has some mighty big shoes to fill.
Wait where'd you hear that about FF?
It’s my own personal reaction, not something they’ve said.
Their sales are extremely down, and ending console exclusivity can only go so far (delayed ports have not done well either). The series isn't appealing to the general gaming populace, and their attempts with getting FFXVI out into the cultural zeitgeist didn't work. They tried to promote it as a starting point, you don't need to play the other games etc. but that didn't work. It sold 3 million almost 2 and a half years into the PS5's lifecycle. FFXV came out and sold 8 million copies 3 years into the PS4's lifecycle. Rebirth sold over 2 million at launch apparently.
The series has an identity issue and it's unlikely to continue on its current trajectory so they are likely going to try some radical changes to the series. Dropping the numbers is likely one of the first things they'd do, and it was a hypothetical that Yoshi-P was speaking about during FFXVI's marketing cycle.
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It’s a shame because FF is my favorite franchise and its brought so many memories. Not to mention my favorite MMO which I’ve made lifelong friends. Unfortunately, Chaser is correct in that the series has an identity issue, and I can definitely see why it wouldn’t appeal to many mainstream audiences. I’d be lying if I said XVI even appealed to me personally. Probably was a good game, but didn’t seem like my thing.
Appealing to the mainstream is not preferable even if it seems like it'll probably give more sales
I mean, I'll buy a FF again if they just make regular turn-based JRPGS. They're trying to chase a larger mainstream audience, but I don't think they can compete.
In the meantime, Persona and Dragon Quest still show that the formula can be successful, if you do it right.
In the meantime, Persona and Dragon Quest still show that the formula can be successful, if you do it right.
Now we have excellent (/s) content flooding my YouTube suggestions like this -_-
