In the TGS trailer, it shows Even and Ienzo laying dead in the Control Room with Braig being the 3rd visible victim. Who do you think was the first one to be slain and who do you think was the first one to be turned into a Nobody?
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Exactly it makes sense now. Xemnas attacked the apprentices because Xemnas is more Terra than MX so he attacked Braig and the others because they were working for Xehanort however, I guess his influence dies because that isn't the Xemnas we know
I don't Terra would attack an innocent child like Ienzo.
Kingdom Hearts Player said:I didn't think Terra would attack an innocent child like Sora.
I don't think the number in the Organization have something to do with when they got turned into Nobodies. It is more of a matter of when they joined the Org.
Xemnas found it, so he's number I. Seeing how Braid is his right hand man, he joined as soon as he could. Maybe....
I still don't even understand why stabbing them in the heart makes them Nobodies. I thought you had to lose your heart to darkness/the Heartless to be turned into one, and thus creating a Nobody.
If Master Xehanort's Keyblade can extract darkness from a heart, surely it can implant it. Enough for one to lose their heart in it.
If Master Xehanort's Keyblade can extract darkness from a heart, surely it can implant it. Enough for one to lose their heart in it.
It's tough to say, but I'm still not fully convinced that Even or Ienzo were the first Nobodies. I still think it's Xehanort, because his Nobody, Xemnas is leader of the Organization.
yeah he definitely cooked up some thing while still being able to use the keyblade...Ansem Report 2
It is my duty to expose what this darkness really is. I shall conduct the following experiments:
Extract the darkness from a person's heart.
Cultivate darkness in a pure heart.
Both suppress and amplify the darkness within.
The experiments caused the test subject's heart to collapse, including those of the most stalwart. How fragile our hearts are! My treatment produced no signs of recovery. I confined those who had completely lost their hearts beneath the castle.
Some time later, I went below and was greeted by the strangest sight. Creatures that seemed born of darkness...What are they? Are they truly sentient beings? Could they be the shadows of those who lost their hearts in my experiments?
I still don't even understand why stabbing them in the heart makes them Nobodies. I thought you had to lose your heart to darkness/the Heartless to be turned into one, and thus creating a Nobody.
Why would releasing your heart with a Keyblade do the same? Master Xehanort does it to release his heart and possess Terra, but from the same logic, wouldn't he have instead turned into a Heartless and a Nobody before his heart could even reach Terra?
If Master Xehanort's Keyblade can extract darkness from a heart, surely it can implant it. Enough for one to lose their heart in it.
The only prerequisite is that you lose your heart (a strong heart) and the body/soul are left behind. How you lose your heart doesn't matter.
Is that actually stated somewhere? The only in-game (I haven't read many reports) explanation for where Nobodies come from is by Yen Sid, who explicitly says it is when you become a Heartless and leave behind a shell.
As for instantly becoming a Heartless when you lose your heart: that's what seemed to happen to Sora. He released it in a very similar manner to Master Xehanort, and instantly it was gone. Sora's Heartless appeared soon after. Not to mention the civilian in Traverse Town who lost his heart and instantly became a Soldier Heartless.
Ansem Report 13 said:When the heart casts away the body, where does the body go?
Heart and soul are separate, and the soul remains in the body. But can we assume that the remaining body and soul perish?
Secret Ansem Report 4 said:Three elements combine to create a life: a heart, a soul, and a body.
But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?
When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?
A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.
Naminé is a Nobody, created when a young girl's heart left her body.
Yet she has no corresponding Heartless.
In order for a nobody to be created, the heart must leave the body and soul alone. It does not matter what happens to the heart or what its condition (heartless or escapes to another vessel). As long as the body and soul are left alone, they will become a nobody.