KHI Site Staff
- Feb 1, 2009
ok, i'll go kill myself XD
I was just annoyed when I typed all that, because I was sick of all the days bashing.i had a feeling people would brutally rape everything I said and hand it back to me.
don't worry, I have the noose around my neck, just say when.
that was what I was trying to say. Then everyone raped me and spat in my face. I agree with all that.
lol geez, I get it now. This is why I don't post much, because people love to argue and never let stuff die, I worded everything wrong, I know.But Sora364 stole the text, right out from under my finger tips. Thats all I'm saying, please don't kill me.
Glad you admit you brought it on yourself, but don't say 'people' are the ones who don't let it die when it's you who keeps bringing it up. And 'people who don't like Days aren't real gamers' isn't what Sora364 said at all.
1. I'm finding it a little agitating to see how the vast amount of you are being overwhelmingly condescending about this. In fact, most of these complaints are just carping over "what people expected" This game was created with the sole purpose of conveying the story of Roxas' days in the Organization. You are all livid based on your false pre-conceptions of the game.
Since we've been waiting for this game ever since Nomura mentioned he had ideas for it back in 2007, of course we would have some expectations. And not just from KH2, but also from little things he'd said in interviews back then. And if those expectations had been proved wrong with something good, then I know I at least would have been happy.
If this was the first KH game I had ever played I would have thought Roxas was an absolutely useless character who didn't drive the story at all, obsessed over Xion and ice cream and was very boring. In fact I already loved Roxas a lot from KH2, and my love for him was sorely tested by Days.
How would Days have played out had Xion not existed? Without Xion, there is no tension nor legitimate conflict. It would merely be Roxas going on tedious missions day by day until he gets fed up, and goes off to find the reason why the Keyblade chose him for some random reason...then Riku magically appears and owns him.
Well let's see here. What plot would you be cutting out, if you cut Xion out? A keyblade wielder with no memories begins to have strange dreams of someone else. They begin to get doubts about their own identity. They hack a computer, running away to break into an abandoned castle, and end up consorting with the enemy all to find the truth. One they find the truth, they have to decide what was most important while undergoing something like an existential crisis.
If they could magic up a plotline like that which we only see through cutscenes while Roxas is not present, for a character that was created specifically for this game, why do you think they couldn't also magic up an interesting plot for Roxas himself, if they had to?
3. Fan-Fiction? Really? I take it half of you couldn't spot decent writing if it punched you in the face.
....If you think Days had good writing, then I'm sorry, but I'd say the same about you. Good writing is not half as repetitive (how many times does Xion go missing? How many ominous scenes of DiZ getting irritated at Sora's memory slowing and yet not taking any action? How many ice cream scenes about nothing? how many times does Xion faint?) and good writing is paced well; it does not have the huge stretch of 'nothing happening except missions and vagueness' through the middle of the story with a rush of sudden plot at the end.
And the fact that Nomura wrote the script himself makes this the farthest from a fan-fiction, more so than any KH game in existence.
Hmm... Nomura wrote the script, but it was from the scenario that Ishida and Kanemaki wrote. And you can see here how much Kanemaki put in:
Tomoco Kanemaki said:For the 14th book, the first afterword! I’m Tomoko Kanemaki. Thank you very much for reading ‘Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days’. To both those who have always read my books, and to those who haven’t, I truly thank you.
The 14th book… yes, this is already the 14th volume in the Kingdom Hearts Novel Series. And, 14 is also the number that Xion was charged with. Moreover, just as this is the first afterword in the KH Novel Series, ‘Days’ was the first game title I had helped write a scenario for. I think it was about two years ago that we worked on that scenario, re-writing it over and over. Those days have already become a fond memory.
I remember happily the days when all the new staff at Square Enix’s Shinjuku office had very long conferences with Tetsuya Nomura. That time, he usually came once or twice a week. Most of the discussion was during meetings amongst Yukari Ishii of the scenario team, and the reliable supervisor, Daisuke Watanabe, and myself. Well, we really did talk about many different things. Mr. Nomura looked at the discussions the three of us had, and produced. Mr. Nomura added his hand and created more things, and that’s the shape that production took as it went along. I had been involved in game development before that, however, these jobs were all on visual novel type games, and this was the first RPG I’d helped produce. I’d usually worked alone over everything else, and so working in a team in itself was also something I was able to enjoy.
Out of the things we discussed in relation to the premise, the number one impressive thing was the premise related to Xion.
I was the one who put forward the premise of Xion, and very much of what I discussed and decided was adopted. This includes her name, which I thought about deeply. It’s already touched upon in the Ultimania, but Xion’s name corresponds to Naminé (波音, ‘the sound of waves’) as Shion (潮音, ‘the sound of the tide’), as well as being an anagram of X and ‘the Number that Never Was’, the imaginary number No. i. Then there’s one more thing. The flower Aster tataricus [‘shion’ in Japanese] means ‘I won’t forget you’ [in Japanese floriography].
Furthermore, Xion’s hair colour was also a request of mine. It came from my private desire, “I want to see Mr. Nomura make a girl with black hair!”. It was nothing other than a perk of the job. I am treasuring a rough sketch of Xion that (probably) hasn’t been shown to the public.
Moreover, the base of the Replica premise of mine was also adopted. It was an idea that came from a thought I’d had when I was writing Riku’s volume of the Chain of Memories novels, that the Replica’s weren’t actually counted. Beings whose existence has been created, that are supposed to exist even less than the beings that aren’t supposed to exist. The premise is one that cannot but end sadly no matter how you handle it, but I think it’s so if the Replicas are feeling happiness in their hearts at the end, even after all that.
Still, just as the game itself is a long series, the novels have also become a long series. Volume 1 came out about six years ago, you see. The first volume, for which I was groping in the dark in every conceivable meaning, holds incredibly fond memories. And them, in those six years, so many things have happened. A child entering elementary school at that time would be a middle school student this spring! Wahh. I have so many feelings of gratitude towards everyone who has supported me for those six years, and to all the staff.
I don’t usually have the opportunity to say this properly, so here are some more concrete words of thanks.
First, to director Tetsuya Nomura. The signed Sora figure I received on a birthday sometime ago has been treasured in front of my desk the whole time. I’m your fan. We haven’t met recently, but I really enjoyed idling and talking with you backstage at the game show. I’d like the two of us to talk backstage again sometime. And, I thank you in advance for taking care of me from now on, too!
She's a fan, check.
She writes fiction about it, check.
She wrote her own Kingdom Hearts OC, check.
It got approved by Nomura---this makes it not fanfiction.
At the very least, you have real antagonists and there is a true conflict brewing throughout the story (even though it's subtle until mid-way through.)
Who were the real antagonists? Saix... being harmlessly mean? Pete.... doing random shit that had no effect on anything? DiZ.... looming ominously in cutscenes and never doing anything? Xemnas.... looming ominously in cutscenes and never doing anything? Riku... only an antagonist at the absolute end of the game?
Or do you mean the Heartless? Cause lol, all the games have had those.
This game did bore me to tears. At least Sora was moving forward throughout his story. Roxas was staying in the same place, mentally and physically, for most of the game. Doing nothing. And we have to play as him. Perhaps if they had made Xion the playable character it wouldn't have been so boring. Even so, I think her plot was pretty predictable anyway (she must have some tragic fate cause she's not in KH2.... she has to have some kind of conflict but in the end choose the Right Thing to Do....), the only redeeming feature would be that at least we would have seen a plot unfolding in front of us instead of off to the side.
Then again...I was always neutral to this game and ignored it (caring only about Birth By Sleep) until the game released. Maybe that's why I can actually well...appreciate it.
From everything you've said about 'take Xion out and the plot doesn't work' and the like, it was already pretty obvious that you'd never actually thought about any other way the story of Roxas' time in the org could have been written. And that's fine, except I think that hardly gives you the right to act condescending like that, because when people who do care have put thought into things like that, they generally know what they're talking about a little better.
...should I bite on this? Should I really? >.<
Yes please. I should just stay out of these things, or write some kind of default reply to copy and paste to these same old comments lol
actually, the only reason why xion needed to be in the game is because they made it that way. xion influenced the title, the story, and the characters.
nomura probably created her simply to make it easier for days to relate to BBS (xigbar's memory of xion and nomura hinting ventus being involved with dual wielding) but other than that, the story could've taken a completely different turn. sucha s instead of focusing on xion they could've focused on different characters.
.....WHAT IS THIS?? I'M AGREEING WITH YOU ABOUT SOMETHING. *hyperventilates*