will axel roxas and xion ever have ice cream again?!

[Smile]

Theres only one problem with your theory

Axel didnt die by the keyblade he destroyed himself in that final blast

And yet Namine said in the novels he went on to become whole, and there was the FM+ scene in which we saw him speak to Roxas after he died and Roxas fused into Sora. So it just might happen depending on Axel's popularity.

As for the Heartless situation you said if they had no nobody they would become a sombody But thats just the thing. If Lea had a heartless it would be cancled out because he had a Nobody. [/quote

...what do you mean, his Heartless would be canceled out because of his Nobody? oO

Another thing im not sure which member said it in days but, When a Heartless is destroyed the heart gets set free and is collected by another heartless. But if you have the keyblade and destroy the heartless the Heart is collected by kingdom hearts.

So dose any one else wonder what became of those hearts?

It's KH. They all got their happy ending at the end.
And the Hearts went to the Org's KH because they were interferring. Naturally, the Hearts were supposed to be restored. Nomura explained it in Another Report.

 

[magicedd]

...what do you mean, his Heartless would be canceled out because of his Nobody? oO

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its because the person i qouted earlyer said that

"if a heartless is destroyed by the Keyblade has no Nobody then it becomes a sombody"

but Lea (knowing that he did have a heartless) had a Nobody. so thats why i say that would cancel out the fact he could comeback if some one destroyed his heartless.



And i was talking about all the hearts that got free from KH after Ansum The Wise destroyed it with that ray thingy

 

[Smile]

No, the Somebody is restored by defeating the Heartless if no Nobody was created. If a Nobody was created, you still need to take down the Heartless first, but until you beat the Nobody, the Heart is in static.

 

[magicedd]

ohh i see but then they also said that the nobody needs to be destroyed by the keyblade.... in which Axel wasnt he basicly destroyed himself protecting what was left of his friend.

So how they make him comback is a mystery

 

[Smile]

We're going in circles over nothing. *goes to look it up*

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it’s a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the Heartless, the Nobody’s body is swallowed by Darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

It seems the only thing that needs to have the Keyblade used on it are the Heartless.

 

[magicedd]

oh I guess that make sense

 

[gamerobber7]

So if your theory is true we will see most of the O13 members again but like Zexion didnt die by the keyblade wont see him, vexen .....blah all the O13 who were put in the basement of CoB we wont see again cause none of them died by the keyblade....

Crap Lexaeus, Zexion, and Vexen are my favorites. :angry: Yeah Zexion died by the Repliku and Vexen was killed by Axel. Lexeaus could have come back too but Riku killed Lexaeus before Riku got the Way to Dawn(which is a keyblade) so he can't come back.

 

[Zeonark]

Lexeaus could have come back too but Riku killed Lexaeus before Riku got the Way to Dawn(which is a keyblade) so he can't come back.

Isn't Soul Eater still a keyblade? Or am I confused.

As for the Ice cream thing, probably never. Roxas and Xion are in Sora and Axel's pretty much dead since he nuked himself. Unless Roxas bursts out of Sora and rips his memories out with him, and Axel somehow comes back, it isn't happening. Since it's been far too long, I doubt Roxas can remember Xion's name by now.

So much for a memory scene.

 

[Smile]

The SE isn't a Keyblade.
However going by Another Report, what needs to be cleansed by a Keyblade is the Heartless, not the Nobody.

 

[*TwilightNight*]

Isn't Soul Eater still a keyblade? Or am I confused.

As for the Ice cream thing, probably never. Roxas and Xion are in Sora and Axel's pretty much dead since he nuked himself. Unless Roxas bursts out of Sora and rips his memories out with him, and Axel somehow comes back, it isn't happening. Since it's been far too long, I doubt Roxas can remember Xion's name by now.

So much for a memory scene.

I agree with everything except the Axel bit.

Cause, to me, it will be the end of the world if Nomura even entertains the idea that he would not whore Axel anymore. He's definitely coming back, there's no doubt in my mind. Especially when he already made an opening about Nobodies returning to their original selves.

And to solidify it more, Axel and Roxas did say they will meet in the next life. How it's going to be handled, I don't know. But if Roxas rips away from Sora for some reason, then Naminé better be along with it. It wouldn't be good if he gets to run along free, while she's stuck inside Kairi probably witnessing it all with whatever conscious she has.

 

[Ikkin]

But if Roxas rips away from Sora for some reason, then Naminé better be along with it. It wouldn't be good if he gets to run along free, while she's stuck inside Kairi probably witnessing it all with whatever conscious she has.

I seriously doubt that Roxas would ever separate from Sora. It'd thematically destroy 358/2 Days and the KH2 Prologue for him to become his own person, fully and completely.

But, I don't think that Roxas and Namine are, in their current states, passengers in Sora and Kairi's heads who are powerless to do anything (though Roxas might have been before he fought Sora and finally accepted him). Roxas is Sora, and Namine is Kairi - Sora's decisions are Roxas' as well, and Kairi's are Namine's. That's why the only way Roxas and Namine can manifest as themselves is because the other one allows them to see themselves the way they were - under normal circumstances, they just see themselves as Sora and Kairi.

Xion, I'd imagine, probably operates on the same principle and would therefore likely be capable of the same kind of manifestation, if there was anyone to actually remember her as Xion. Unfortunately, thought, it would take quite some doing to get that to happen.

 

[Smile]

Roxas and Namine are not Sora and Kairi :\ they're separate. Way they described it is that they're supposed to slowly disappear into Sora and Kairi as time passes by. Axel's death stirred Roxas inside Sora, so I think we can say for sure that he is not Sora. They said as much in Days itself about Roxas, and I think at the end, it applies for Namine as well - they're struggling their hardest to be their own people.

 

[Ikkin]

Roxas and Namine are not Sora and Kairi :\ they're separate. Way they described it is that they're supposed to slowly disappear into Sora and Kairi as time passes by. Axel's death stirred Roxas inside Sora, so I think we can say for sure that he is not Sora. They said as much in Days itself about Roxas, and I think at the end, it applies for Namine as well - they're struggling their hardest to be their own people.

Well, it seems rather likely that Axel would have had the same effect on Roxas as Namine did - Roxas would see himself as Axel saw him, and therefore be able to appear separately from Sora. Besides, Roxas doesn't really accept Sora until after they fight (with Final Form being the evidence of the union), so the fact that Axel's death woke Roxas up doesn't mean that Roxas never fully unites with Sora.

Plus, there's a lot of canon evidence supporting Roxas = Sora = Xion. A few examples, from Roxas and Xion's own mouths:
- Xion: "I am you, just as I am Sora." (End of 358/2 Days)
- Roxas: "I'm sure Sora will find the answer. Because he's me." (KH2, "Remembrance")

There's also another phrase from Roxas in the Remembrance scene - "I'm going back to how I was" - that doesn't really work if Roxas is still a separate person. After all, it's not like Sora had a sleeping Roxas personality inside him before he turned into a Heartless.

 

[Smile]

But he does have him now. And with how much they wanted to make them be each other, there're differences in personality enough (confirmed at least for Namine and Kairi), and the entire issue was that Roxas and Namine will continue being through Sora and Kairi, not be Sora and Kairi.

 

[boo_shoe2000]

they'd have ice cream inside sora...............weird. wonder how'll sora react waking up full of ice cream sticks on his stomach

 

[Ikkin]

But he does have him now. And with how much they wanted to make them be each other, there're differences in personality enough (confirmed at least for Namine and Kairi), and the entire issue was that Roxas and Namine will continue being through Sora and Kairi, not be Sora and Kairi.

But then what's the point of describing it that way?

The idea of two people being the same is really mind-bending. If the intention was just that Roxas and Namine will continue being through Sora and Kairi, why have them say they're the same person?

 

[Smile]

Because they are. And that's the truly mind-bending issue here. They're the same person, while being separate 'personalities'.
They're the same person in the sense they share the Body, Soul and no doubt, the Heart. However, inside the mess, there's Sora, and there's Roxas. And there's Kairi, and there's Namine (who's even more of a mess up since we don't even know what she really is when it comes down to it).
Roxas said Sora'll find out the answers because he's him. However - that in itself shows a differentiation, as Sora will find out, not Roxas.

 

[Ikkin]

Because they are. And that's the truly mind-bending issue here. They're the same person, while being separate 'personalities'.
They're the same person in the sense they share the Body, Soul and no doubt, the Heart. However, inside the mess, there's Sora, and there's Roxas. And there's Kairi, and there's Namine (who's even more of a mess up since we don't even know what she really is when it comes down to it).
Roxas said Sora'll find out the answers because he's him. However - that in itself shows a differentiation, as Sora will find out, not Roxas.

They're separate personalities, true (though I'm more inclined to think that Roxas and Namine have their basis in aspects of Sora and Kairi's personalities rather than bringing in something completely different), but I don't think that necessarily means that they retain separate consciousnesses.

What it comes down to is this: there's still Sora and Roxas, and Kairi and Namine, but Roxas and Namine aren't just sitting around in Sora and Kairi's hearts doing nothing, or watching helplessly as Sora and Kairi make decisions they don't necessarily agree with. They're active parts of Sora and Kairi, while still being themselves.

Remember, Axel tells Roxas that he (not Sora) should go and see Hayner, Pence, and Olette again, looking for his answer. And, considering that Roxas' response is affirmative, there's a strong implication that Roxas actually can look for his answer himself, through Sora.

 

[Smile]

They're separate personalities, true (though I'm more inclined to think that Roxas and Namine have their basis in aspects of Sora and Kairi's personalities rather than bringing in something completely different), but I don't think that necessarily means that they retain separate consciousnesses.

You can argue that about Roxas and Sora perhaps, however, Nomura confirmed that is not the case for Kairi and Namine. Their personalities are different.

What it comes down to is this: there's still Sora and Roxas, and Kairi and Namine, but Roxas and Namine aren't just sitting around in Sora and Kairi's hearts doing nothing, or watching helplessly as Sora and Kairi make decisions they don't necessarily agree with. They're active parts of Sora and Kairi, while still being themselves.

Only going by KH2, Sora is a lot more Roxas than Roxas will ever be a Sora.

Remember, Axel tells Roxas that he (not Sora) should go and see Hayner, Pence, and Olette again, looking for his answer. And, considering that Roxas' response is affirmative, there's a strong implication that Roxas actually can look for his answer himself, through Sora.

Proving my earlier point that Roxas is influencing Sora. I can't really call that them being one and the same.

 

[Ikkin]

You can argue that about Roxas and Sora perhaps, however, Nomura confirmed that is not the case for Kairi and Namine. Their personalities are different.

Namine having her basis in Kairi's personality doesn't mean Namine has the same personality. The traits are the same, but the proportions are basically reversed - it's not the same personality anymore, but it's still part of Kairi. And the same goes for Roxas and Sora.

Only going by KH2, Sora is a lot more Roxas than Roxas will ever be a Sora.

Well, that only makes sense, since Roxas is part of Sora. A part influences the whole, but the whole doesn't necessarily influence the part.

Proving my earlier point that Roxas is influencing Sora. I can't really call that them being one and the same.

We're arguing semantics now. My original point was that Roxas and Namine don't see themselves as "stuck" inside of someone else. Whether or not they're the same person, they have a shared consciousness - Roxas sees Sora's actions as his, not as the actions of an outsider who he can only influence in limited ways.