KINGDOM HEARTS' writing has been under heavy scrutiny ever since KHII. The same arguments people are making with KHIII, are the same arguments people made with KH2.
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Which shows how Nomura hasn't learned shit over the last 15 years.KINGDOM HEARTS' writing has been under heavy scrutiny ever since KHII. The same arguments people are making with KHIII, are the same arguments people made with KH2.
KINGDOM HEARTS' writing has been under heavy scrutiny ever since KHII. The same arguments people are making with KHIII, are the same arguments people made with KH2.
Don't forget FFXV, as that game also not only had development troubles (when it was under Versus XIII) and changes on the DLC releases which resulted in most of them being cancelled thus making the Ardynn DLC as the last dlc, but also resulted in Tabata leaving Square Enix.That was because of then president Yoichi Wada and the debacles the company had with the Crystal Tools in-house development engine, troubles with FINAL FANTASY XIII and FFXIV.
It is. My hot take is that if reading opinions that don't align with yours perfectly--to a greater or lesser degree--drains you or puts you on edge, you might also need to think about taking a break and there's no shame in that either. I felt I was being incredibly polite in my post, so rudeness or aggressiveness can't be misconstrued as the problem here. Nobody in any fandom can force you to change what you think or feel about something just by posting a different opinion than you; if you are mentally exhausted by other people simply holding an opinion you don't agree with, you're giving them way too much power over you. That's a choice you are making for yourself. Hold yourself responsible for that instead of demanding others to change. Happiness comes by internal means, not external.But everyone's opinion is valid.
Yes, and KH2 still seemed to care about its main characters at least; the ending with Sora and Riku is incredibly powerful and feels like a natural conclusion to KH1/CoM plots, and Roxas and Namine also get a lot of attention. KH3 feels like the characters were hurried through finishing up past plot plots as quickly as possible in order to add setup for them to be used as a means to tell a story Nomura didn't get to tell elsewhere that doesn't even suit them. Riku in KH3 just feels weird. The fact that he and Aqua almost get nothing to do at all feels like the biggest sign that he didn't really care about the KH characters or story anymore.I'll say this for KH2, at least the priorities were in the right place. And if I remember correctly, it was actually Daisuke Watanabe and Kazushige(?) Nojima who actually wrote the scenario for KH2, and Oka helped. Now we've got a map designer and an artist writing this series XD
Oh god, you're not serious are you?I'll say this for KH2, at least the priorities were in the right place. And if I remember correctly, it was actually Daisuke Watanabe and Kazushige(?) Nojima who actually wrote the scenario for KH2, and Oka helped. Now we've got a map designer and an artist writing this series XD
All of this ^Yes, and KH2 still seemed to care about its main characters at least; the ending with Sora and Riku is incredibly powerful and feels like a natural conclusion to KH1/CoM plots, and Roxas and Namine also get a lot of attention. KH3 feels like the characters were hurried through finishing up past plot plots as quickly as possible in order to add setup for them to be used as a means to tell a story Nomura didn't get to tell elsewhere that doesn't even suit them. Riku in KH3 just feels weird. The fact that he and Aqua almost get nothing to do at all feels like the biggest sign that he didn't really care about the KH characters or story anymore.
I'm fairly sure Masaru Oka was a map designer originally and Nomura's an artist, I could be wrong thoughOh god, you're not serious are you?
I did really think the Black Box and datascape was going to be important in KH3 thanks to Coded and 3D, and that it was going to be the way they would make Maleficent relevant again. That was one of the things I was the most wrong about. And it still feels odd? It feels like it was being deliberately set up to go there in KH3?The Black Box subplot didn't receive any development beyond the epilogue, despite it being advertised and framed as an important motivation of the main antagonist (and Maleficent didn't get anything to do as a result).
I've always struggled to care about Yozora when the character is talked about and speculated over. And I think this is why. There was so much that needed to happen with KH3--this is the reason many people give for why many plots weren't resolved as well as they could have been, that there was just "so much"--and yet there was time to create this character that we neither know or care about who has no impact on KH3's story at all? And that's why I can't blame the FFVII Remake's existence. It's not that game's fault. These were simply Nomura's decisions for KH3 and they weren't because of a lack of time or that he was too busy; he found time to put in Yozora and setup the game after KH3 after all. He simply lost interest in the KH story and wanted rather to be working on the next one rather than a resolution to what he'd already created.Like... So many of the "pay-off's" in KH3 were bungled, to the point where it's hard for me to, in good faith, believe that Nomura really cared much about the story he'd already built up to this point. It's so obvious where his mind was with this title, and it wasn't on the story we just got. The mere existence of Yazora proves that.
I'll say this for KH2, at least the priorities were in the right place. And if I remember correctly, it was actually Daisuke Watanabe and Kazushige(?) Nojima who actually wrote the scenario for KH2, and Oka helped. Now we've got a map designer and an artist writing this series XD
It is. My hot take is that if reading opinions that don't align with yours perfectly--to a greater or lesser degree--drains you or puts you on edge, you might also need to think about taking a break and there's no shame in that either. I felt I was being incredibly polite in my post, so rudeness or aggressiveness can't be misconstrued as the problem here. Nobody in any fandom can force you to change what you think or feel about something just by posting a different opinion than you; if you are mentally exhausted by other people simply holding an opinion you don't agree with, you're giving them way too much power over you. That's a choice you are making for yourself. Hold yourself responsible for that instead of demanding others to change. Happiness comes by internal means, not external.
If that doesn’t work, there’s always the ability to block users. I used to not believe in blocking other people, until recent experiences on another forum taught me that it can help sometimes. Believe me, I won't be offended.
Both Watanabe and Nojima were criticized for their contributions, although I think Watanabe a bit less? The Nojima Hate Club on this forum was pretty active back in the day.
I do think giving Oka and Nomura shit for their background is kind of in poor taste though.
Oh no, I wasn't defending the writing, just pointing out it wasn't Nomura who wrote KH2. Although now we're on the topic I think those two definitely had a strong handle on character interactions.Both Watanabe and Nojima were criticized for their contributions, although I think Watanabe a bit less? The Nojima Hate Club on this forum was pretty active back in the day.
I do think giving Oka and Nomura shit for their background is kind of in poor taste though.
Yeah, I can see why you'd think that. They were really pushing Maleficent's subplot hard during Re: Coded & DDD, so it only felt natural for her to have more of a presence in the next game. She's never particularly shied away from the spotlight when it concerns her, and there's always some sort of subplot where she's at odds with the protagonist (even if she isn't the main threat). So when Sora and Co. hardly even interact with her or Pete, on top of the two getting limited screentime and zero real developments, of course it's going to feel weird and somewhat jarring. Compared to KH 1 and 2, she's virtually a non entity in the third number title, and regardless of what, that feels strange and out of place.I did really think the Black Box and datascape was going to be important in KH3 thanks to Coded and 3D, and that it was going to be the way they would make Maleficent relevant again. That was one of the things I was the most wrong about. And it still feels odd? It feels like it was being deliberately set up to go there in KH3?
Those were my thoughts exactly. It's real, tangible evidence for where Nomura's priorities are, and what drew so much of his interest away from the past events of the series. He put all that effort into implementing ideas from Versus 13 into KH, when there was no reason to think the fans wanted him to. Thus naturally, it's easy to resent Yozora as a concept, because of what he represents.I've always struggled to care about Yozora when the character is talked about and speculated over. And I think this is why. There was so much that needed to happen with KH3--this is the reason many people give for why many plots weren't resolved as well as they could have been, that there was just "so much"--and yet there was time to create this character that we neither know or care about who has no impact on KH3's story at all? And that's why I can't blame the FFVII Remake's existence. It's not that game's fault. These were simply Nomura's decisions for KH3 and they weren't because of a lack of time or that he was too busy; he found time to put in Yozora and setup the game after KH3 after all. He simply lost interest in the KH story and wanted rather to be working on the next one rather than a resolution to what he'd already created.
My bad, I think my response might've confused the tone of you're original post, lol. I didn't pick up that you meant it in a more sarcastic manor. I should've worded that less aggressively.As for my other comment it was really just a flippant thing, I didn't mean anything serious by it, I thought the XD would have helped convey that.
If in doubt, just take it for granted I'm joking, it's true 95% of the timeMy bad, I think my response might've confused the tone of you're original post, lol. I didn't pick up that you meant it in a more sarcastic manor. I should've worded that less aggressively.
Yeah, even the simplest of fellows can come up with awesome ideas.I do think giving Oka and Nomura shit for their background is kind of in poor taste though.
Yeah, even the simplest of fellows can come up with awesome ideas.
I think Tetsuya Nomura started out as a billboard artist and then got his first job in Squaresoft as Monster Designer for FINAL FANTASY V (in my honest opinion, Nomura is the best Monster Designer the FF brand has had).
That aside, this artist pretty much came up with an intellectual property that is almost head-to-head with Square Enix's FF and Dragon Quest.
And like Oracle Spockanort has said: Nomura needs an editor. He has very interesting ideas, perhaps even stuff that hasn't been done in video gaming storytelling in general, but for KH? He needs an editor.
Yeah, even the simplest of fellows can come up with awesome ideas.
I think Tetsuya Nomura started out as a billboard artist and then got his first job in Squaresoft as Monster Designer for FINAL FANTASY V (in my honest opinion, Nomura is the best Monster Designer the FF brand has had).
That aside, this artist pretty much came up with an intellectual property that is almost head-to-head with Square Enix's FF and Dragon Quest.
And like Oracle Spockanort has said: Nomura needs an editor. He has very interesting ideas, perhaps even stuff that hasn't been done in video gaming storytelling in general, but for KH? He needs an editor.