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it would have been darker and better more simple cause without xehanort ansem wouldve been the one to make heartless as we were 1st lead to believe.
(it would hopefully have lead to less handheld games to)

then they couldve used aqua terra and MX for the next saga in some way.

Yeah. Like the first saga is about the heartless, the nobodies, some 3rd enemy. It's also about setting up the plot and the mythos ect.

Then the second saga will have a game like BBS showing Aqua, Terra, and Ventus (But let's have Ventus with an original look and no connection to Roxas) and Eraqus, and of course MX would be the main villian of the second Saga. Then after showing the BBS like game, the next game takes place after KH3 and is about Sora and the gang saving TAV and fighting MX, and then the next game after that is the final battle with MX.

Ansem's Goal: To use Kingdom Hearts to rule everything
MX's Goal: To use Kingdom Hearts to either start another keyblade War or discovery the mysteries of the keyblade war, leading SRK and TAV to try to stop MX because he is trying to start a second apocalyptic keyblade war.

So basically:

Ansem saga:

KH1
KH2
KH3
Any side games that may need to be made

Master Xehanort Saga:

KHZero (Basically the BBS like game)
KH4
KH5
Any side games that may need to be made

Whatever Saga Comes Next:
 

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Yeah. Like the first saga is about the heartless, the nobodies, some 3rd enemy. It's also about setting up the plot and the mythos ect.

Then the second saga will have a game like BBS showing Aqua, Terra, and Ventus (But let's have Ventus with an original look and no connection to Roxas) and Eraqus, and of course MX would be the main villian of the second Saga. Then after showing the BBS like game, the next game takes place after KH3 and is about Sora and the gang saving TAV and fighting MX, and then the next game after that is the final battle with MX.
honestly i dont want nobodies back either just the heartless, you could make the org something different like something similar to the LS just lingering thoughts/memories or something who want kh to be their own person rather the whats left of someone else.

no ventus thanx i'd like a duo for once.
but i like the rest have bbs to introduce everyone then have the xehanort saga start with kh4.

hopefully that way there'd only be kh1 2 3 and com in the ansem saga.
 
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honestly i dont want nobodies back either just the heartless, you could make the org something different like something similar to the LS just lingering thoughts/memories or something who want kh to be their own person rather the whats left of someone else.

no ventus thanx i'd like a duo for once.
but i like the rest have bbs to introduce everyone then have the xehanort saga start with kh4.

hopefully that way there'd only be kh1 2 3 and com in the ansem saga.

I still don't see a problem with Nobodies, they didn't really complicate anything. It made a whole lot of sense to have the left over body and soul become something. I would still like to have nobodies.
 

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I prefer the saga as it is. I really like the "apprentice sneaks around behind master's back and turns evil" plot, and the series would honestly be a bit boring if Ansem's identity was the only plot twist, and it occurred in the first game (obviously Xemnas' existence would be considered a twist by some, but really, it's more of an excuse than a twist). I even liked the MX backstory, though I agree it could have been interesting as a second saga concept.

Basically, I am fine with the series as it is. The cool Xehanort duplicity was one of the things that pulled me into the series to begin with.
 

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I prefer the saga as it is. I really like the "apprentice sneaks around behind master's back and turns evil" plot, and the series would honestly be a bit boring if Ansem's identity was the only plot twist, and it occurred in the first game (obviously Xemnas' existence would be considered a twist by some, but really, it's more of an excuse than a twist). I even liked the MX backstory, though I agree it could have been interesting as a second saga concept.

Basically, I am fine with the series as it is. The cool Xehanort duplicity was one of the things that pulled me into the series to begin with.

Now this makes me want to go back to the second option with Xehanort being the evil apprentice who went behind Ansem's back, but without the memory lost or mysterious past, Just evil apprentice who becomes a heartless and nobody. So confusing.

On one hand you have the concept of evil Ansem being a king who became so obssessed with darkness he destroyed his own kingdom and caused many of his subjects to become heartless.

But with Apprentice Xehanort you have apprentice who defied his master, became obssessed with darkness, ruined his masters kingdom causing many people to become heartless. Banished his his master Ansem who treated Xehanort praticaly like a son. And then his heartless and nobody become the main villains of the first 2 games with the whole Xehanort being the main enemy of the 3rd game

So hard to CHOOSE!!!!!!!
 

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I still don't see a problem with Nobodies, they didn't really complicate anything. It made a whole lot of sense to have the left over body and soul become something. I would still like to have nobodies.
it doesnt have to do with it complicating (it didnt complicate anything til MX and roxas -_-) i'd rather just not have them.
plus i like the concept of LS's existence rather than the nobodies and would like to see such a creature as a enemy plus as much as heartless were cool in kh1 by kh3 i'd rather have them die with ansem seeing as how he made them but that would be hard to do with nobodies. (well hard to write into the story anyway)
 

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it doesnt have to do with it complicating (it didnt complicate anything til MX and roxas -_-) i'd rather just not have them.
plus i like the concept of LS's existence rather than the nobodies and would like to see such a creature as a enemy plus as much as heartless were cool in kh1 by kh3 i'd rather have them die with ansem seeing as how he made them but that would be hard to do with nobodies. (well hard to write into the story anyway)

I don't know, see I look at the heartless and nobodies as being the staple enemies of the series and so I have always thought they will be around from now until the end of the series. That's one reason I don't want to take the nobodies out, they just seem to be one of those things that when you see them or hear their names people think "Oh yeah that's from Kingdom Hearts!"

Now I agree LS's existence is cool, but i'd like to tie into the unversed. The unversed needed to be cooler, so I think by making LS an unversed it makes the unversed look better. Basicaly my idea would be that unversed are not just negative emotions but they are emotions, memories, and thoughts from a strong heart given physical form. Or maybe MX could have taken some emotions and stuff from hearts that comprised an artificial KH, and since these emotions came from a KH they were strong enough to take on physical form or soemthing. Unversed just needed to be cooler and more plot relevant than what they were.
 

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I don't know, see I look at the heartless and nobodies as being the staple enemies of the series and so I have always thought they will be around from now until the end of the series. That's one reason I don't want to take the nobodies out, they just seem to be one of those things that when you see them or hear their names people think "Oh yeah that's from Kingdom Hearts!"
they are a staple but with ansem gone and the org would'd comand them? what motives would they have (nobodies) cause unlike nomura there would be no characters coming back (coughMaleficentcough)

Now I agree LS's existence is cool, but i'd like to tie into the unversed. The unversed needed to be cooler, so I think by making LS an unversed it makes the unversed look better. Basicaly my idea would be that unversed are not just negative emotions but they are emotions, memories, and thoughts from a strong heart given physical form. Or maybe MX could have taken some emotions and stuff from hearts that comprised an artificial KH, and since these emotions came from a KH they were strong enough to take on physical form or soemthing. Unversed just needed to be cooler and more plot relevant than what they were.
i wouldnt tie the unversed to the LS the LS being his own unique being is his appeal.
i'd keep the unversed as they are, vanitas spawn, that way at the end of bbs and kh3 we have these new unexplainable (at 1st) enemies that seem to both want to help sora fight him and wish to see MX's death *depending on the personality of the one they came from*
 

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Sometimes I think I would just be happy with Ansem being the main villain. He created a heartless which we'd fight in KH1. He created a nobody which we'd fight in KH2. And DiZ would have still been the wise ruler of Radiant Garden that got screwed over by his apprentice, just throw the guy a different name and let his apprentice, Ansem, just be some power hungry asshole. Would have been pretty simple. But meh what can you do? The way the plot is now isn't...that...bad...

EDIT: and I can do without the lesser nobodies. I mean the Org. could have just had command over the kickass heartless (yes i favor heartless over nobodies any day). Have the Org be completely special cases and only have their bodies become animate, instead of being the only nobodies to be human like.
 

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they are a staple but with ansem gone and the org would'd comand them? what motives would they have (nobodies) cause unlike nomura there would be no characters coming back (coughMaleficentcough)

i wouldnt tie the unversed to the LS the LS being his own unique being is his appeal.
i'd keep the unversed as they are, vanitas spawn, that way at the end of bbs and kh3 we have these new unexplainable (at 1st) enemies that seem to both want to help sora fight him and wish to see MX's death *depending on the personality of the one they came from*

Nobodies can think and plan, even the lesser ones so they may have their own goals after the organization is gone.

Eh, I never liked the unversed of being so heavily connected to just one person. I'd just like to see them expanded on.
 

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Nobodies can think and plan, even the lesser ones so they may have their own goals after the organization is gone.

Eh, I never liked the unversed of being so heavily connected to just one person. I'd just like to see them expanded on.
they can think and plan but the org well oragnized them and gathered them with out that their just a headless snake jerking cause of its nerves.
im not that much on unversed tho i think vanitas should be expaned on (not in more titles just in bbs) since he to is odd the dark half of a human heart yet not a heartless.

Sometimes I think I would just be happy with Ansem being the main villain. He created a heartless which we'd fight in KH1. He created a nobody which we'd fight in KH2. And DiZ would have still been the wise ruler of Radiant Garden that got screwed over by his apprentice, just throw the guy a different name and let his apprentice, Ansem, just be some power hungry asshole. Would have been pretty simple. But meh what can you do? The way the plot is now isn't...that...bad...

EDIT: and NO lesser nobodies! I mean the Org. could have just had command over the kickass heartless (yes i favor heartless over nobodies any day)
i would keep diz his own person someone mysterious that appears to guide characters and keep him serepate from all the ansem apprentice stuff.
i like the idea of no lesser nobodies! just the org would be cool it'd make them even more unique/special.
 

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they can think and plan but the org well oragnized them and gathered them with out that their just a headless snake jerking cause of its nerves.
im not that much on unversed tho i think vanitas should be expaned on (not in more titles just in bbs) since he to is odd the dark half of a human heart yet not a heartless.

i would keep diz his own person someone mysterious that appears to guide characters and keep him serepate from all the ansem apprentice stuff.
i like the idea of no lesser nobodies! just the org would be cool it'd make them even more unique/special.


To be honest I really have no idea what nobodies will do without the organization, I just like them XD

As for unversed, I just think they had alot of potiential that wasn't used.
 

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To be honest I really have no idea what nobodies will do without the organization, I just like them XD

As for unversed, I just think they had alot of potiential that wasn't used.
XD exactly! and neither would they unlike xemnas they dont know how to make a fake kh and arent powerful enough to scheme sora into gathering hearts for them, after the org they would be as their name suggests nothing.

i dont i think the unversed were simply that, nothing as complicated as the heartless/nobody thing just negative emotions of a crazy ass keyblade wielder.
 

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XD exactly! and neither would they unlike xemnas they dont know how to make a fake kh and arent powerful enough to scheme sora into gathering hearts for them, after the org they would be as their name suggests nothing.

i dont i think the unversed were simply that, nothing as complicated as the heartless/nobody thing just negative emotions of a crazy ass keyblade wielder.

I guess though a similar case could be said with the heartless. Their end goal is KH because it is the greatest heart with the greatest darkness. But in KH2 they really weren't going after their goal though.

True, I don't think they should appear in tons of games like heartless or nobodies, but they should appear every once in awhile. Just to make them something other than filler enemies.
 

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I guess though a similar case could be said with the heartless. Their end goal is KH because it is the greatest heart with the greatest darkness. But in KH2 they really weren't going after their goal though.

True, I don't think they should appear in tons of games like heartless or nobodies, but they should appear every once in awhile. Just to make them something other than filler enemies.
thats why i'd kill the heartless off after kh3 while being kh's staple they have lost their purpose and goal.
like the nobodies they cant do much on their own either.

but i like them being filler really D: it added a simplicity to bbs.
 

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thats why i'd kill the heartless off after kh3 while being kh's staple they have lost their purpose and goal.
like the nobodies they cant do much on their own either.

but i like them being filler really D: it added a simplicity to bbs.

Well let's say that the Ansem/Xehanort saga ende with the heartless and nobodies going away. What would replace them in the MX saga?
 

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Well let's say that the Ansem/Xehanort saga ende with the heartless and nobodies going away. What would replace them in the MX saga?
thats what i was trying to tell you b4 we'd expand the LS's type of being since the next saga would focus on MX.
they could be something tied into the keyblade war MX wants to badly to experience.
 

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thats what i was trying to tell you b4 we'd expand the LS's type of being since the next saga would focus on MX.
they could be something tied into the keyblade war MX wants to badly to experience.

That sounds like an interesting idea. the remants of fallen keyblade wielders from the keyblade war?

Still though a series called "Kingdom Hearts" would feel like it's missing something without heartless and nobodies.
 

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That sounds like an interesting idea. the remants of fallen keyblade wielders from the keyblade war?

Still though a series called "Kingdom Hearts" would feel like it's missing something without heartless and nobodies.
thats what i was thinking or at the very least something along those lines.

it'd be missing something without heartless but cant be helped to keep them would just result in another kh2 boring and badly written story :/
 

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Didn't read the whole thing, but: Ansem sounds so much cooler than Xehanort, especially with the "the Seeker of Darkness" subtitle.
 
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