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one_winged_angel

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Actually i prefer MX to all the other forms of Xehanort (srsly he puts the others to shame and he's just purely evil). He's the best villain so far and his voice actor is a beast. One thing i disliked about KH1 is the fact that Ansem SOD had very little screentime and it felt like he was just forced into the story. Just my opinion.
 

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Master Xehanort > Ansem, SOD


GEU = Glowing Eye Unknown. In deep dive, you can see him exiting a rock. That's Xemnas.
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that is Riku
the glowing yellow eye proves it. Because Riku was in the form of XH which XH WAS a heartless...
SU - Sitting Unknown. Was Roxas in DD, but Xemnas in KH2.

the SU was not Roxas. it was Xemnas at the time.
 

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that is Riku
the glowing yellow eye proves it. Because Riku was in the form of XH which XH WAS a heartless...

Yeahno, the Blindfolded Unknown Riku. Please stop pretending you know what you're talking about.

the SU was not Roxas. it was Xemnas at the time.

Well, Nomura was unsure which Unknown he was because everyone's face was hidden. the only thing that Nomura knew was that BFU was Riku and DWU was BHK.

Let it be known that EM [Xemnas] said "You look just like him' to Sora about GEU.
SU said to GEU 'You look just like him' in regards to Sora.

If GEU was Riku, why would he have beed said to look like Sora?
There's also the fact that in 2003, they had no plans for Riku to get stuck looking like Xehanort.
Again, please stop posing.
 

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TBH I was sad that they didn't keep Ansem the way he was in KH1, but Xehanort was a good character and concept so I don't care that much. I just like the idea of a ruler who loved his people suddenly becoming consumed by the darkness, destroying his home, and giving up his very body a lot better than what we have now I guess.


Actually i prefer MX to all the other forms of Xehanort (srsly he puts the others to shame and he's just purely evil). He's the best villain so far and his voice actor is a beast. One thing i disliked about KH1 is the fact that Ansem SOD had very little screentime and it felt like he was just forced into the story. Just my opinion.

Better than Ansem? Voice actor better than Billy Zane? *slaps you with a large fishbot*
 

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Both scenarios would be fine with me. The second one justs adds on more complications.

They could've just stopped at KH2 with Xehanort being Ansem's apprentice and stealing his name, but then they decide to slap on another plot twist with Xehanort actually being an old guy controlling the body of a young guy! Who would've guessed? I was definitely surprised.

But I actually like Kingdom Hearts the way it is. The complications keeps me interested.
 

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TBH I was sad that they didn't keep Ansem the way he was in KH1, but Xehanort was a good character and concept so I don't care that much. I just like the idea of a ruler who loved his people suddenly becoming consumed by the darkness, destroying his home, and giving up his very body a lot better than what we have now I guess.




Better than Ansem? Voice actor better than Billy Zane? *slaps you with a large fishbot*

Everyone has his/her own tastes and preferences but it's frkn Leonard Nimoy for God's sake. He fitted the old keyblade master role so perfectly. Also, MX > Ansem SOD and Xemnas. In KH1, he appears during the prologue and then after 3/4th of the game is completed, he suddenly appears in HB (according to my books, that's poor for being the main antagonist of the game). Also, he takes all the frkn credit from Maleficent for being the main antagonist of KH1. To me, he was just thrown in there as a poor excuse for putting a square villain. * slaps you back with a large fishbot * just kiddin.
 

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i like the series fine the way it is, other than a few plot inconsistencies between the games and the ansem reports and secret ansem reports. (also the whole going into a digitized version of the journal plot is just dumb imo)
 

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Everyone has his/her own tastes and preferences but it's frkn Leonard Nimoy for God's sake. He fitted the old keyblade master role so perfectly. Also, MX > Ansem SOD and Xemnas. In KH1, he appears during the prologue and then after 3/4th of the game is completed, he suddenly appears in HB (according to my books, that's poor for being the main antagonist of the game). Also, he takes all the frkn credit from Maleficent for being the main antagonist of KH1. To me, he was just thrown in there as a poor excuse for putting a square villain. * slaps you back with a large fishbot * just kiddin.

At this point I couldnt take Maleficent as KH series main villain seriously neither Hades.
 

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). Also, he takes all the frkn credit from Maleficent for being the main antagonist of KH1. To me, he was just thrown in there as a poor excuse for putting a square villain. * slaps you back with a large fishbot * just kiddin.

Maybe its because KH was supposed to be Mickey's story and Maleficent was the final villian.
But since Disney said no, they changed the premise.
It was afterwards that they came up with Sora, Riku, Kairi and Ansem.
 
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1. In KH2 we learn that the Ansem in KH1 was in fact the real Ansem's heartless and that Xemnas is the real Ansem's nobody. While DIZ was some kind of associate of the real Ansem. (This is the most simplistic plot) And in KH3 we fight Ansem as a whole being

This. It's actually on my list of "Ways KH Should Have Been Less Convoluted."
Even today, I still think relegating the Ansem from KH1 to the apprenticeship of the real Ansem in KH2 was a stupid move.

Basically, we were given two plot twists at once:
1. Ansem was not Ansem, he was his apprentice.
2. This apprentice was split into a Heartless and Nobody.

I remember the first time this information was presented to me, it took me a while to digest just who the fuck it was that I was fighting.
Now, why was the first plot twist necessary at all? It wasn't. Only made things that much more complex.
Still, I liked DiZ, and his desire for revenge, so I wouldn't want to throw him out. Maybe he could have been a co-ruler. Or, hell, maybe he was Xehanort's (I mean Ansem's) predecessor and the throne was stolen prematurely (without the name change and all that crap).

Despite the fact that I liked BbS, and even some of the implications it brought up about Xehanort and his subsequent incarnations, I also found that to be an unnecessary addition to what can now be called the flow chart of forms for our main antagonist.
Mixing Xehanort, Terra (and, hell, Eraqus) is just convoluted. Granted, it's not hard to grasp within the game's own plot (I mean, it's hardly any different than Xehanort's Heartless possessing Riku), but when you put it into context of the broader series (with all the other Xehanorts), it just becomes one more plot twist.

Honestly, I think it would have been better if Master Xehanort had simply warped Terra until he became evil on his own (though to what end, I won't dwell on since that would be venturing into fan fiction). That way we wouldn't have had that unholy mixture.

So, basically, the scenario, as I see it, would be:
- Terra is named Ansem
- Ansem grows evil as Master Xehanort's Apprentice
- Ansem winds up in Hollow Bastion after fighting Aqua and is taken in by AtW (who would not be named Ansem in order to avoid confusion).
- Over the course of the next decade, AtW, without a heir and impressed by Ansem (who he has essentially adopted), names Ansem as his successor.
- Ansem ends up taking the throne prematurely and banishing AtW.
- Ansem splits into Ansem SoD and Xemnas.

If that were the case, we'd only have three forms of the main villain- his whole being, his Heartless, and his Nobody.
 

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Dude, that's only slightly less retarded than the actual story. I like it....a LOT.
 
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