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i see, what did nomura meant by "appear" =/
it could mean anything ><

Like I said...
"Appear" can still be taken two ways:
1. Before the Heartless appeared as enemies (which would keep his statement fine the way it is)
2. Before the Heartless appeared at all (which would contradict what he said, since Heartless appeared before BBS)
 

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Does it really matter guys? The KH series has tons of mysteries. That is what I like about the games in the first place! The Heartless have always existed in the Realm of Darkness, and the Heartless that Ven fought were more than likely taken by Master Xehanort from the Realm of Darkness. It is not a retcon!
 

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Like I said...
"Appear" can still be taken two ways:
1. Before the Heartless appeared as enemies (which would keep his statement fine the way it is)
2. Before the Heartless appeared at all (which would contradict what he said, since Heartless appeared before BBS)
i will go with number 1 =/

anyway, why must people make such a big deal about it XD
 

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just a scam to make more money, i'm a fan of KH and all by why do we need so many side games? why can't they just do, KH, KH 2, KH 3 and so on. We dont need to keep bouncing back and forth in a timeline just so we can try to understand something that should of been done in the 1st game. lemme guess, Birth by Sleep Final Mix will have all the "REAL" answers to the questions we need. Stupid thing is, they find a loophole in the plot and add in things that "fix the story" IMO, these things were never thought of in the 1st place and were just added in to make the game longer (make more money). Why else would Sora and Riku see Terra and what not but no mention of it EVER occurs in ANY of the KH games? It's all lame and needs to just stay on track, whats next? geez.. what people will do for money..
 

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1. Before the Heartless appeared as enemies (which would keep his statement fine the way it is)

I'm pretty sure he just meant this. I think people are way too picky about what he says.

just a scam to make more money, i'm a fan of KH and all by why do we need so many side games? why can't they just do, KH, KH 2, KH 3 and so on. We dont need to keep bouncing back and forth in a timeline just so we can try to understand something that should of been done in the 1st game. lemme guess, Birth by Sleep Final Mix will have all the "REAL" answers to the questions we need. Stupid thing is, they find a loophole in the plot and add in things that "fix the story" IMO, these things were never thought of in the 1st place and were just added in to make the game longer (make more money). Why else would Sora and Riku see Terra and what not but no mention of it EVER occurs in ANY of the KH games? It's all lame and needs to just stay on track, whats next? geez.. what people will do for money..

I'm so sick of these complaints, just enjoy the games, holy shit.
 

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just a scam to make more money, i'm a fan of KH and all by why do we need so many side games? why can't they just do, KH, KH 2, KH 3 and so on. We dont need to keep bouncing back and forth in a timeline just so we can try to understand something that should of been done in the 1st game. lemme guess, Birth by Sleep Final Mix will have all the "REAL" answers to the questions we need. Stupid thing is, they find a loophole in the plot and add in things that "fix the story" IMO, these things were never thought of in the 1st place and were just added in to make the game longer (make more money). Why else would Sora and Riku see Terra and what not but no mention of it EVER occurs in ANY of the KH games? It's all lame and needs to just stay on track, whats next? geez.. what people will do for money..


Your just realizing this now?

Its not a scam bbs and codded have information you need to know in order to understand the next kh games.

Is it really that hard to understand.

If it was all a scam he would just keep on makiing final mixes to kh2 or remake kh2 for ps3 or 360 then remake kh1 and ect.

Stop complaining I doubt he would waste four years to make a game for a quick cash in.
 

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Your just realizing this now?

Its not a scam bbs and codded have information you need to know in order to understand the next kh games.

Is it really that hard to understand.

If it was all a scam he would just keep on makiing final mixes to kh2 or remake kh2 for ps3 or 360 then remake kh1 and ect.

Stop complaining I doubt he would waste four years to make a game for a quick cash in.
and did they not make a final mix for every main stream KH game? also did they not re make COM for PS2? IMO "Final Mixes" are still considered "remakes" of their original game. Also you arent understanding my point.
 

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just a scam to make more money, i'm a fan of KH and all by why do we need so many side games? why can't they just do, KH, KH 2, KH 3 and so on. We dont need to keep bouncing back and forth in a timeline just so we can try to understand something that should of been done in the 1st game. lemme guess, Birth by Sleep Final Mix will have all the "REAL" answers to the questions we need. Stupid thing is, they find a loophole in the plot and add in things that "fix the story" IMO, these things were never thought of in the 1st place and were just added in to make the game longer (make more money). Why else would Sora and Riku see Terra and what not but no mention of it EVER occurs in ANY of the KH games? It's all lame and needs to just stay on track, whats next? geez.. what people will do for money..

you know its true he is making the story as he goes. is that really so terrible? was he required to come up with the entire kingdom hearts story from the get go when he didn't even know if the game would catch on or do well? i think that's a little unfair. he has said that he knows what the kingdom hearts series ending looks like. he just needs to come up with all of the puzzle pieces that will get sora from point A to point B.

and lets be honest. how many memories do you have from when you were 4? and the memories you do have, how clear are they? one time two little boys see a few people they don't recognize for about ten minutes and then never see them again. i highly doubt those memories are keep cherished in their hearts. and who knows. for all we know riku could at any point say "hey sora do you remember that guy that we saw 12 years ago? he was kinda strange." and sora could go "hey now that you mention it i do remember that" some memories only come to us when they are dragged up and not just out of nowhere. also from where the story is right now, why should riku have mentioned it? i mean in what conversation would riku mentioning this have any significance? same with why mickey didn't mention knowing kairi. does that fact really matter? besides he only runs into her at TWTNW and i bet they had more pressing issues one their mind such as whether or not they are going to make it through the journey in one piece.

i think some of you people just expect to much.
 

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you know its true he is making the story as he goes. is that really so terrible? was he required to come up with the entire kingdom hearts story from the get go when he didn't even know if the game would catch on or do well? i think that's a little unfair. he has said that he knows what the kingdom hearts series ending looks like. he just needs to come up with all of the puzzle pieces that will get sora from point A to point B.

and lets be honest. how many memories do you have from when you were 4? and the memories you do have, how clear are they? one time two little boys see a few people they don't recognize for about ten minutes and then never see them again. i highly doubt those memories are keep cherished in their hearts. and who knows. for all we know riku could at any point say "hey sora do you remember that guy that we saw 12 years ago? he was kinda strange." and sora could go "hey now that you mention it i do remember that" some memories only come to us when they are dragged up and not just out of nowhere. also from where the story is right now, why should riku have mentioned it? i mean in what conversation would riku mentioning this have any significance? same with why mickey didn't mention knowing kairi. does that fact really matter? besides he only runs into her at TWTNW and i bet they had more pressing issues one their mind such as whether or not they are going to make it through the journey in one piece.

i think some of you people just expect to much.


this^, and isn't every game that has a story like kh where sequels are made
in essence all made up and pulled out of the director's ass as they go?
That's just how every game is made.

I see your point about the final mixes and remakes, but every story is made up and will always be made up

(it makes me wonder why we even play these types of games when we know sometimes they're just made up by some guy) - because they're amazing and complexarabslol
 

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I'm pretty sure he just meant this. I think people are way too picky about what he says.

It is certainly most likely, yes. However, don't forget LS being non-canon was also "most likely" and we saw how that turned out. All I'm saying is that I do not think it is safe to assume that is what he meant while another possibility still exists.
 

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How I figured it was, is that Xehanort's experiments made way for the heartless to come to the realm of light and he created the emblemmed heartless.
Heartless are just the being of the realm of darkness, and possibly people that ended up in the RoD and surrendered to the darkness.

After Xehanort's experiments the heartless found ways to spread their darkness into the realm of light, and now can turn anyone with darkness in their heart into one of them. (If they don't fight back that is)

And when beings with bodies became heartless, nobodies started to be created.
So Xehanort probably "created" the nobodies, and discovered/named the heartless.

But who truely knows what is up, that is just how I figured it out.

 

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I can't believe the meaning of appear actually did get debated, after all XD

And no, loke13, clearly we are not all in agreement, and it isn't necessarilly a lie.
 

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Well I think were all in agreement. HE LIED


Man im so sick and tired of people COMPLAINING about a game.

games are supposed to be enjoyed, not analized like a fucking science experiment to see all its possible flaws.

some of you go as low as to insult this guy whos just doing his job to please YOU. so what if theres a fucking heartless? i have seen so many other games change their stories completly around on sequels and such. be glad its not something that big.

so really, if your going to let something like this ruin your experience or make you upset with the game or the creator, thats fine. nobody gives a shit, the rest of us will enjoy this amazing game that im very grateful for.
 

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Or maybe the Ansem Reports were BS, since they were made by some crazed lunatic who thought he was ATW. I don't think Nomura ever comfirmed that the Ansem Reports were true to their word. Besides Xehanort lost his memory, how was he supposed to remember there was heartless in BBS?
 

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Well I think were all in agreement. HE LIED

I think we're in agreement that you're an idiot. =/

Or maybe the Ansem Reports were BS

The ARs covered Xehanort's experiments. What is written is what he did.

I don't think Nomura ever comfirmed that the Ansem Reports were true to their word.

Oh, so now we're going to assume Xehanort's written reports are actually lies?
Tch. Honestly...
 

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I think we're in agreement that you're an idiot. =/

How did I not see that coming?

Do I have to say it again? Who cares. Enjoy the damn game! Sure, maybe he wasn't totally truthful, whether it was to not completely spoil us or because he can, but it doesn't mean you have to go all apeshit. From the looks of it, the worlds were presented much better than KH2, if not better than KH1. The boss battles actually seem challenging and tough. Though I kind of didn't like the Secret Boss and the info behind Terra's ending, I feel BBS was presented pretty well. Even the truth behind the unvese (let alone this little and EXTREMELY minor incident) has no affect on how I liked BBS or whether I think of Nomura as a genius or and idiot.

Besides, maybe what he said had a double meaning. In other words, maybe him saying the heartless aren't around yet was also intended to mean that they they're there, but they aren't abundant yet (at least in the realm of light).
 

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Besides, maybe what he said had a double meaning. In other words, maybe him saying the heartless aren't around yet was also intended to mean that they they're there, but they aren't abundant yet (at least in the realm of light).

He never said when in BBS they were not abundant also.
 

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I think it all was just a translation error (And this has probably already been said) When Nomura said heartless will not "appear", he could have meant either:

1)"There will be absolutely no heartless in the game, including cutscenes that aren't playable"

or he could have meant:

2)"There will be no heartless that you will be able to fight, though they might appear in cutscenes."

I could see if everyone is mad because there was actually heartless everywhere iin a battle that are fightable or whatever. But there's not. They're in cutscenes. Not technically "appearing" if you look at it from the second point. But looking at it from the 1st point... maybe he did tell a little fib. But I don't see how that would affect sales or anything like some of you claim. I don't care if they are heartless, unversed, or nobodies. They are creatures that need to be defeated to get expirence, munny, health, items, etc. Is a heartless or 2 going to change your opinion of the game?

Since Aqua was thrown in to Dark Realm, I expected some heartless to be there. I mean it's darkness. Something has to in there. As for the ones that attacked Ven. I think it's painfully obvious MX summoned, brought, dragged whatever, MX put them there to attack Ven. I don't know how he got them, when he got them, or whatever. But he obviously found a way and brought them there to attack Ven. They didn't get there by themselves.
 
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