Your Opinion: The Player's Dream
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- Published on November 27, 2014 @ 06:10 pm
- Written by Arielle
It seems the Foretellers are up and about yet again...
Today's maintenance brought us so much new stuff in Chi, starting from the usual mission updates, introduction of a new event Heartless, and - rather surprisingly - new story missions for the Daybreak Town chapter.
At first it sounds like your usual story mission with no conclusion. If you think so, well, you are half correct! As of now there certainly is no conclusion to the story yet, but there are two scenes that truly merit attention.
One of the Daybreak Town story missions require us, as players, to assist Chirithy in ridding the town of Minute Bombs. After the task has been undertaken, the player will report to Chirithy and call it a day. The player then goes to sleep, and this is what he / she dreams of.
That's right, those are the five Foretellers. They are apparently engaged in a conversation, or at least a meeting, with someone whose identity is concealed under that iconic black coat.
The player, while observing the meeting (albeit only for a short period of time), is then abruptly engulfed by some dark energy, and that's when he wakes up from his dream. The conversation that takes place shortly afterward is another interesting facet of this story update.
Chirithy: (to player) What's wrong? You seemed to have a nightmare. You should try sleeping again.
The player goes to get some rest again and is soon out of commission. Chirithy notices someone - something - off the screen.
Chirithy: Are you the one interfering?
It turns out that there is another Chirithy standing just outside the window of the player's room.
Window Chirithy: Did you show him / her the dream? What are you trying to do?
Room Chirithy: The exact opposite of what you are doing.
Window Chirithy: Then I guess that we are enemies now.
The Chirithy beyond the window blends into the dark of night, disappearing from view.
Chirithy: I hope I will be able to protect...
The questions that remain, therefore, are a few. What is it that the player's - our - Chirity is trying to tell us? Who is the person in the black coat? How do the Foretellers relate to him / her? What exactly is the other Chirithy trying to do? Which Chirithy is to be trusted? Is it possible this could play an important part in Kingdom Hearts III?
However, the ultimate question is of course "What do you think of all this?" Well then, fire away and let your theories and opinions be heard!
Credits:
Taochan & Chaser for the information regarding the dream scene, and Kazr1 for the dialogue translation.
COMMENTS
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I hope it's the missing apprentice.
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Oh gosh the other Chirithy again.
Lol the black coat. Kando, Nomura. Plz.
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Interesting. So it is a players dream. I wonder when that event took place. Also, this raises a question about the age of the iconic black Org XIII cloaks. Maybe the have been around far longer, and Xehanort wasnt the first who used them. Or could the person wearing it be a time traveler? Agh, Nomura! You are making my curiosity grow even stronger. :)
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I have so many questions, I can't even ;A;
Why did our Chirithy show us this dream? Who does the other Chirithy belong to? Why do they have opposite intentions? Who's the guy in the black coat? What is he and the Foretellers talking about? Is the dream showing us past or current events?
Nomura pls
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The problem with Chi is the existence of Chirithy.
Before we learn about 2.5's secret movie, we assumed that Chi is a fairytale rendition of the ancient Keyblade War and the only things canon are the Foretellers, Book of Prophecies, and Chirithy itself (probably).
But the first contradiction occurred in the 1st Anniversary Event, when it is revealed that Chirithy knows who Mickey is. If Chi takes place in the ancient past, how is this possible? Plus there is the scene with Mickey and a black coat figure as well.
Then the secret movie affirmed that the card system Chi used is created from the Book of Prophecies. And also brings about the possibility that Chi itself is a data world. Think of it as a simulation like data Twilight Town. Chi could be a simulation of the Keyblade War instead of a fairytale based on past events.
So here's a problem. If Chi happens in the past, how do you explain Mickey and gang? Treating it as non-canon will void the scene between him and the black coat figure.
If Chi is a data world, maybe Chirithy's role is an administrator or something? Like either Namine & DiZ in KH2 or Data Riku?
I think that knowing solving Chirithy's identity and purpose is the most important thing to learn the truth in Chi. If he is really canon.
What we know so far is that he is created by a master, there is 1 Chirithy per player and is tasked to lead the players in collecting light. Also if the player dies, so does his Chirithy (although we learn this through a death of a NPC who is said to be another player, so it may be a lie).
The latest mission in Chi is about Chirithy discovering a new Heartless (Minute Bomb, emblem) and asked the players to defeat it. After the mission, he told the player to rest for the day and we got the above scene. The dream is incomplete by the way.
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Maybe Chi isn't the past. With the possibility of Chi being a data world...Chi's existence could be Mickey's attempt in finding out something about the Keyblade War. Collecting Lux is collect data, the Chirithies monitor the data keyblade wielders (the players.) This would explain why characters who shouldn't be there are and why Chirithy knows Mickey.
Augh, the dreeeeeeeeam! I must know all of it! Why u not want us to see it, other Chirithy?! Whhhhhhy?!
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I think the black coat is definitely...
Well, the obvious answer is the sixth apprentice.
But Data-Riku also wears this coat, so if χ[chi] is a data world like Kazr said, then... perhaps this black coat plays a larger role than that.
The presence of Mickey and co. in the anniversary event still has me puzzled. The Book of Prophecies can take things from the future, so maybe they were brought in that way? It was a crash landing, so however they got there, it wasn't on purpose. But if it's a simulation, then they could have simply been... simulated.
Why are Chirithy tied to the Player? To guide them, yeah, but I feel like there's more to it than that.
The master that created Chirithy is still perhaps the most enigmatic piece of the puzzle. I want to know more about him.
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(Ignore the above post that can only be seen on the forums 8D)
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One thing that I worry is that if this is a data world, then Maleficent or others might be interfering. It would be a shame to establish Maleficent as interested in the Data World and then not use her once the Data Worlds become important! But I can't picture her wearing a black cloak, and that's certainly not Pete under there... But it could explain the evil Chirithys! But maybe I'm going too far afield.
With or without it being a Data World, there are a few other guesses that have occurred to me overnight. The other Chirithy might not be doing bad on purpose? The Keyblade Wielders were all misguided into fighting over the Lux and destroying the world. If having their player immersed in darkness really does kill the Chirithy, they have no reason to encourage it unless they think it's for the best. Your Chirithy might be trying to show you that fighting over the Lux is pointless (Look! The Foretellers are all conspiring with this stranger!), while the others might be trying to reinforce the status quo?
Of course, they might be working for a bad guy after all. Black Cloak might be keeping the Foretellers convinced through simple charisma, but he's still got to do something about their armies (and that's what we are: armies). In the Walkthrough thread I mentioned that Black Cloak might have his own Chirithy working to corrupt us, I should mention that here, too.
To Kazr's point about Chirithy possibly not being historical, I think that's possible. If this is a data world, I think there may still have been one historical Chirithy (a cat owned by the Master), while the rest are probably data administrators.
Putting aside the cats and turning to the Unknown... Assuming the Black Cloak isn't an external element - which is quite possible - I feel it has to be the Sixth Foreteller. We're just out of characters otherwise. It's not a very detailed theory, it just feels like the only option.
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First, Happy Thanksgiving to all those celebrating it today! Here's hoping you're all happy, and with friends and family.
About the dream, i'm convinced that Black Cloak is the missing apprentice, whom for whatever reason is off doing his or her own thing, perhaps relating to the fact that only he/she did not receive a book of prophecy. But the other Chirithy is much harder to nail down. Is it Cloak's? Is it one of the Foreteller's, possibly even our own? Why is it so interested in us specifically, when there's scores of wielders among the Unions?
And about ours. He's obviously trying to show us that not everything we're fighting for is correct. But he picked a hell of a way to do it
It implies that the little guy cannot come out and say it directly, for whatever reason. And I think that's what worries me most.
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So are we finally gonna start getting the keyblade war in this game about the KBW? 'cuz it sure has taken its sweet time getting there.
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why can't chi be in america
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why can't chi be in america
Difficulties finding a suitable service replacement for Yahoo Games Japan. PC browser social games aren't exactly popular around here.
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I really admit that I should read up on Chi more than I do. The few times I have there's been something interesting like this and now I hear mixed feelings if its canon now? However its still a pain considering I can't play it lol. How much story is there so far?
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I really admit that I should read up on Chi more than I do. The few times I have there's been something interesting like this and now I hear mixed feelings if its canon now? However its still a pain considering I can't play it lol. How much story is there so far?
Yeah, Nomura's pretty much said it's canon...but it's kind of a mystery as to if it is the past in all of its accuracy or the past being simulated or what. (Nomura'd, essentially...)
I'd refer to this thread for help because I think you are likely to see more responses in there.
I think the black coat is definitely...
Well, the obvious answer is the sixth apprentice.
But Data-Riku also wears this coat, so if χ[chi] is a data world like Kazr said, then... perhaps this black coat plays a larger role than that.
The presence of Mickey and co. in the anniversary event still has me puzzled. The Book of Prophecies can take things from the future, so maybe they were brought in that way? It was a crash landing, so however they got there, it wasn't on purpose. But if it's a simulation, then they could have simply been... simulated.
Why are Chirithy tied to the Player? To guide them, yeah, but I feel like there's more to it than that.
The master that created Chirithy is still perhaps the most enigmatic piece of the puzzle. I want to know more about him.
Well, Data Riku isn't that tall so I think we can probably eliminate him. The mysterious chi guy is about as tall as Ursus, who is pretty damn tall.
But what other data beings could be wearing a coat?
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Thanks Spockanort, as to the black cloaked friend why not a data Young Xehanort? Although he wasn't seen in Re:Coded, we did see data Ansem SoD in his brown cloak talking to data Riku. He could have gone back in "time" (Is there back in time for events in a journal?) and gave the powers to Young Xehanort. Either that or the real Young Xehanort found his way there either through the data worlds or through time, whether chi is set in data or the past. He could match the mysterious figure's physical appearance. It's my two cents anyway.
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Oh as a follow up because I forgot to add why; Young Xehanort is there to find one of the 13 darkesses perhaps. Other theory was Xemnas based on the fact that he has an entry in the journal for kh final mix. Plus he wore his hood of his cloak the entire fight and was truly mysterious like our chi pal. Even though he wasn't in recoded, he was in that journal right? Okay now I'll leave it alone lol.
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Well, Data Riku isn't that tall so I think we can probably eliminate him.
Data-Riku guided Data-Sora in fixing the bugs, so in this role, how could this black coat be guiding the Foretellers?
I'm pulling a lot of parallels between χ[chi] and Re:coded without much concrete evidence, but I feel like there is a very real connection here. Or, there could be one.
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I must say after reading Kazr's post on the last page and looking into Chi that Chi's storyline is perhaps as complicated and probably more confusing than all the rest of the KH story's combined lol Am I the only one really REALLY lost. If so, sorry <_<
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The problem with Chi is the existence of Chirithy.
Before we learn about 2.5's secret movie, we assumed that Chi is a fairytale rendition of the ancient Keyblade War and the only things canon are the Foretellers, Book of Prophecies, and Chirithy itself (probably).
But the first contradiction occurred in the 1st Anniversary Event, when it is revealed that Chirithy knows who Mickey is. If Chi takes place in the ancient past, how is this possible? Plus there is the scene with Mickey and a black coat figure as well.
Then the secret movie affirmed that the card system Chi used is created from the Book of Prophecies. And also brings about the possibility that Chi itself is a data world. Think of it as a simulation like data Twilight Town. Chi could be a simulation of the Keyblade War instead of a fairytale based on past events.
So here's a problem. If Chi happens in the past, how do you explain Mickey and gang? Treating it as non-canon will void the scene between him and the black coat figure.
If Chi is a data world, maybe Chirithy's role is an administrator or something? Like either Namine & DiZ in KH2 or Data Riku?
I think that knowing solving Chirithy's identity and purpose is the most important thing to learn the truth in Chi. If he is really canon.
What we know so far is that he is created by a master, there is 1 Chirithy per player and is tasked to lead the players in collecting light. Also if the player dies, so does his Chirithy (although we learn this through a death of a NPC who is said to be another player, so it may be a lie).
The latest mission in Chi is about Chirithy discovering a new Heartless (Minute Bomb, emblem) and asked the players to defeat it. After the mission, he told the player to rest for the day and we got the above scene. The dream is incomplete by the way.
I have a theory (who doesn't in this forum). There is one way to explain how he knows Mickey without it being a plot hole. We are told by Kairi's Grandma that a huge conflict, presumably the keyblade war took place in the age of myth. However what if that's not true? Nobodies were revealed to have the capacity to grow/replace a heart, so this would not be the first time something in KH that we thought was true that could be overturned. I'm willing to put my money on this war being merely a few generations ago from Master Eraqus. In BBS in seemed as if Keyblade Masters were disconnected from one another. Just focused on preserving their currently dying culture and traditions. Vanitas did say that Keyblade wielders will "flock here" and we know Xehanort lets no stone untured. Therefore if he had contact with other Keyblade Wielders he would have definitely set up some plans for them and perhaps even tried to persuade them into helping him. So during the rebuilding of the worlds Keyblade wielders were probably seperated.
Another thing that should be of concern is the princesses of heart. We are told they rebuilt the worlds as they are by Yen Sid on multiple occasions. As I'm sure Kairi isn't alive at this point, it may be possible that this divine right/hearts of light are passed down. Perhaps a Ritual was performed and when the person meets the right criteria they become a new princess of heart. Sound familiar? I think the Keyblade inheritance was based on this mechanic since they are both based on the power of hearts after all. Although the princess of heart ritual is still a theory in itself I think it may be possible.
Honestly that dark dream thing is just an advertisement for the PvP haha. I really hope they've dropped it. I dont want to get owned by Zeke o(0~0)o.
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I get so fucking jelaouse whenever I read about this game.
Can't they just announce that western release already?
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Another thing that should be of concern is the princesses of heart. We are told they rebuilt the worlds as they are by Yen Sid on multiple occasions.
The Princesses of Heart simply correspond with the seven pieces of Light from the χ-blade.
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Strange that the other Chirithy is noticable darker. Also here is a complete transcript of the new missions if anyone is interested:
[SPOILER=Story 11-1 til 11-3]Story 11-1:
デイブレイクタウンの市場で
モーグリが困っているようだ。
噴水広場の西側の扉から市場へ向かおう。
Moogle:
困ったクポ……
せっかく仕入れた材料を
市場でなくしてしまったクポ。
このままだと商品売り切れ。
お得意様も困るクポ？
だから材料探しを
手伝ってほしいクポ。
材料は市場のいろんなところに
落ちてると思うクポ。
よろしくたのむクポ！
Story 11-1
モーグリが市場でなくしてしまった材料を
10個見つけてあげよう。
Moogle:
材料は市場のいろんなところに
落ちてると思うクポ。
よろしくたのむクポ！
ショップ商品の材料
Story 11-1
モーグリがなくした材料を
すべて見つけた。
モーグリに届けてあげよう。
Moogle:
ありがとうクポ！
でも、キミがいない間に、
また困ったことになったクポ！
STORY CLEAR
Story 11-2
モーグリはまだ何か困っているようだ。
モーグリに話を聞いてみよう。
Moogle:
お得意様がいない間に、
モーグリのお買い物メモが
盗まれたんだクポ！
飛行機みたいなハートレスが
お買い物メモを引っ掛けたまま
飛んでいってしまったクポ。
ハートレスは倉庫に
入っていったクポ。
お店に必要なお買い物が
書いてある大事なメモだから
取り返してほしいクポ！
Story 11-2
市場にある倉庫にいる
ハートレスを倒して、モーグリの
お買い物メモを取り返してあげよう。
Moogle:
お買い物メモを盗んだ
ハートレスは倉庫にいるクポ。
取り返してほしいクポ！
エアロプレーン
Story 11-2
ハートレスからモーグリの
お買い物メモを取り返した。
モーグリに届けてあげよう。
Moogle:
ありがとうクポ！
これでお店が
つづけられるクポ。
そもそも材料をなくしたのは
灯台からハートレスに
追いかけられたせいクポ。
STORY CLEAR
Story 11-3
モーグリから聞いた話が気になる。
ハートレスの目撃情報があった
街はずれの臨海公園ある
灯台へ行ってみよう。
Moogle:
さっきは助けてくれて、
ありがとうクポ。
モーグリはお店に戻るクポ。
Chirithy:
やぁ、そろそろキミが
来てくれると思っていたよぉ。
この付近に新種のハートレスが
現れたから倒してほしいんだ。
ボクはハートレスが
他のところにも現れていないか
たしかめてくるよ。
この付近の新種のハートレスを
ぜんぶ倒したら教えて。
ボクは市場の方を調べてるね。
Story 11-3
臨海公園付近にいる
新種のハートレスをすべて倒そう！
Chirithy:
この付近の新種のハートレスを
ぜんぶ倒したら教えて。
ボクは市場の方を調べてるね。
ミニッツボム
Moogle:
お得意様のおかげで、
今日もお店が開けるクポ。
さあ、いっぱい買ってくクポ！
Story 11-3
臨海公園付近にいた
新種のハートレスをすべて倒した。
市場にいるチリシィに報告しよう。
Chirithy:
おつかれさま～。
キミのおかげで、
市場も無事だったよぉ。
ずいぶん疲れてるみたいだね。
今日はもう部屋に戻って、
ゆっくり休んでよぉ。
STORY CLEAR
Epilogue Cutscene:
~Player wakes up~
Chirithy:
どうしたんだい？
ずいぶんうなされていたけど
もう一度眠った方がいいよ。
~Player goes to sleep again~
Chirithy:
キミが邪魔をしたのかい？
Bad Chirithy:
キミが夢を見せたのかい？
何がしたいんだいキミは？
Chirithy:
キミと真逆のことさ。
Bad Chirithy:
じゃあ、ボクらは
敵になるんだね。
Chirithy:
ボクは、守れるのかな……[/SPOILER]
On another side note: The player's room decoration looks so basic I think it will be upgradeable in the future.
Re: Your Opinion: The Player's Dream
The problem with Chi is the existence of Chirithy.
Before we learn about 2.5's secret movie, we assumed that Chi is a fairytale rendition of the ancient Keyblade War and the only things canon are the Foretellers, Book of Prophecies, and Chirithy itself (probably).
But the first contradiction occurred in the 1st Anniversary Event, when it is revealed that Chirithy knows who Mickey is. If Chi takes place in the ancient past, how is this possible? Plus there is the scene with Mickey and a black coat figure as well.
Then the secret movie affirmed that the card system Chi used is created from the Book of Prophecies. And also brings about the possibility that Chi itself is a data world. Think of it as a simulation like data Twilight Town. Chi could be a simulation of the Keyblade War instead of a fairytale based on past events.
So here's a problem. If Chi happens in the past, how do you explain Mickey and gang? Treating it as non-canon will void the scene between him and the black coat figure.
If Chi is a data world, maybe Chirithy's role is an administrator or something? Like either Namine & DiZ in KH2 or Data Riku?
I think that knowing solving Chirithy's identity and purpose is the most important thing to learn the truth in Chi. If he is really canon.
What we know so far is that he is created by a master, there is 1 Chirithy per player and is tasked to lead the players in collecting light. Also if the player dies, so does his Chirithy (although we learn this through a death of a NPC who is said to be another player, so it may be a lie).
The latest mission in Chi is about Chirithy discovering a new Heartless (Minute Bomb, emblem) and asked the players to defeat it. After the mission, he told the player to rest for the day and we got the above scene. The dream is incomplete by the way.
This is an extremely and I think probable theory. It'd tie in to Maleficent's dialogue about the book of prophecies and the data worlds as well.
Would definitely be a theory/thread worth exploring or seeing.
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Strange that the other Chirithy is noticable darker.
That may just be their way of showing he's on the other side of the window, unless that was in the case in another scene and I don't remember?
| On another side note: The player's room decoration looks so basic I think it will be upgradeable in the future. |
I agree! Did you notice something else I noticed: namely that Nicotto Town is an ancestor program of KHX? And what feature does Nicotto Town already have? [strike]That's right we're going to open a restaurant.[/strike]
I bet Success, Square and Disney are all drooling at the chance to sell Disney and Final Fantasy kitch for our walls and shelves without having to animate every part of them like the costumes.
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[video=youtube;hlL2VAiYWI0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlL2VAiYWI0&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Thanks to Kazr, you can watch the cutscene with subtitles! :D
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is there a way to tell which one is the players chirithy and which is the other one? because I assumed it would be the one in your room, but based on the dialogue, it seemed more like the one outside the window was the players chirithy.
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It's the one inside. Room Chirithy asked the player if he / she was okay, which goes in line with the relationship between Chirithy and the player (if something bad happens to the player, his / her Chirithy will disappear). Similarly, Window Chirithy wouldn't just leave the player like that if he really was the Chirithy attached to the player.
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It's got to be the missing Apprentice.
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