Questions on XIII's true intentions

[helios]

I was playing KH last night and i say something that caught my eye the quote at the end of the world at the dark machine it said.
Ones born of the heart and darkness,devoid of hearts,ravage all worlds and bring destruction. *he,s talking about the heartless*

Seize all hearts and consumate the great heart.All hearts to be one ,one heart to encompass all .

Realize the destiny:
the realm of Kingdom Hearts.
the great darkness sealed within the great heart.
progeny of darkness, come back to the eternal darkness.
for the heart of light shall unseal the path.

Seven hearts, one keyhole,
one key to the door.
The door to darkness tied by two keys.
the door of darkness to seal the light.
None shall pass but shadows returning to darkness,
hunger for every heart until the dark door opens.

I started thinking if the XIII are an organization trying to find out about the heart then why do they want true exsistence what is true exsistence? In one scene i saw one of the Org members stealing a heart and then i realized in the quote above it says seize all hearts to consumate which means supreme or great a heart of all hearts are they stealing hearts to create the ultimate heart ? If so then why to get true exsistence? sora is the one who will open the door will he do it of shear will of will he refuse could his heart be the one that will unseal the path to ever lasting darkness? My last question is in every heart lies true darkness do they want to exploit the darkness inside the supreme heart making an everlasting darkness if so why?

 

[Americo]

Uh... *shrugs* It's hard to say but for all we know now is that they just want to be whole, gain there hearts back and at any price it seems.

 

[helios]

But how can they be without hearts and not be heartless someone says they are shells of themselves but i forgot aht a shell is.

 

[deadpoetic]

man that pretty deep but I understand it competely but I dont know. lets see what other people think.

 

[Americo]

Shells are what the Heart casts off when it is taken away. The Heart is what turns into a Heartless, not the Shell. Weak Shells, turn into Nobodys, just like a weak Heart turns into a Heartless, but some people have a very strong Heart and Shell so they can still manage to stay alive when the Heart and Shell are split up, like Ansem for example. He should have turned into a Heartless but he was so strong that he managed to keep his Heart to himself and not transform into one. That's pretty much what happened here. These Org Members were very strong and when they did fall, their Hearts and Shells were split apart. In the best terms, just think of them as Nobody Commanders. They are exactly the same as a Nobody only they have keep there physical apperance and there personality.

 

[unknown_boy]

i'll see what other people think

 

[Americo]

I believe thats right, I might off on a few things but I believe I nailed it. ^_^

 

[Beakman's World]

Here's how I'm seeing it. There's the Great heart of all existance. In that is the darkness where the heartless come from. Underneath this darkness is the light. You know the he says even in the deepest darkness there will always be a light that can never go out. The game says Sora will be the one to open the door to the light. That door to the light is the Door of Darkness, it says both door of darkness and door to darkness. That's confusing unless you think of Kingdom Hearts as a big metaphysical gobstopper the layer on the outside is the heart under that is the darkness and under that is the light.

About the Org. they probably just want to be real again and will do anything it takes. Including destroying the worlds. You know the majority of members just want their bodies back and the Superior genuinely wants to plunge everything into darkness.

The "natural" heartless might not even be evil. They might exsist so that when people die their hearts are taken back to Kingdom Hearts where all hearts born.

 

[Niemand]

Here's how I'm seeing it. There's the Great heart of all existance. In that is the darkness where the heartless come from. Underneath this darkness is the light. You know the he says even in the deepest darkness there will always be a light that can never go out. The game says Sora will be the one to open the door to the light. That door to the light is the Door of Darkness, it says both door of darkness and door to darkness. That's confusing unless you think of Kingdom Hearts as a big metaphysical gobstopper the layer on the outside is the heart under that is the darkness and under that is the light.

About the Org. they probably just want to be real again and will do anything it takes. Including destroying the worlds. You know the majority of members just want their bodies back and the Superior genuinely wants to plunge everything into darkness.

The "natural" heartless might not even be evil. They might exsist so that when people die their hearts are taken back to Kingdom Hearts where all hearts born.

Most probably you are right, but I think the Great Heart/KH is a perfect balance of light and darkness, therefore it can be used for both intentions, good and evil. The Org members in a majority want to become whole again, but the Superior or other member want it to rule trough darkness. And that with the "natural" Heartless sounds interesting...

 

[truekeywielder]

is the machine that tells you about the hearts and stuff in the American/European version of KH cos i haven't seen it and i would like to know where it is so could you tell me please.

 

[DJFirewolf]

it's in End of the World in the World Terminus when going back through closed off sections of each world, it's the place in the red pillar of flame.

 

[helios]

>_>..................i appreciate all of your resposes but im not getting nothing out of this besides from MyInnerFred thanks for the info on shells and Beckman's world i need some of the other usualls that throw people theories in flames.

 

[oathion]

but the Superior or other member want it to rule trough darkness. And that with the "natural" Heartless sounds interesting...

I don't think the Superior wishes to rule through true darkness. The Superior/XIII probably want to become twilight with their hearts.

 

[truekeywielder]

i still cant find the red flame pillar is it because i have completed the game.

 

[SwEdEnGuRlSrHoTt]

thats true i didnt think of that

 

[Oblivions_Heart]

well that was very well thought of.but the XIII is an orginization built on becoming whole,and they where collecting (seizing) the hearts to make there own kingdomhearts.wich most likely holds the eternal darkness,but inside is ''untold wisdom'' and im sure they thought they could find out how to be whole if they had the untold wisdom inside kingdomhearts.thats why in kh2 namine couldnt say if theyre intentions where good or bad,because theyre trying to kill off heartless(good) to get kingdomhearts for themselves (bad),so they could get untold wisdom and be whole(neither)