(SPOILERS) KINGDOM HEARTS X[chi] Special Episode
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- Published on August 29, 2016 @ 08:41 am
- Written by Sign
KINGDOM HEARTS X[chi] has one last thing to share before its service concludes on 9/1, and that's the Special Episode. See the aftermath of the finale, and what you can look forward to as the story continues in Unchained X!
English subbed videos now available, translations thanks to goldpanner!
Awakening
(Quick flashes of the player’s memories with Skuld and Ephemer and the final battle in the Keyblade Graveyard, repeating over and over. One last flash of the player lying alone in the graveyard, and then reaching up to take Ephemer’s hand when you finally reunite, and a blinding light engulfs everything. The player is seen reaching up.)
Player: ...Ephemer. Skuld...
(Light flashes again, and the player finds themselves with Chirithy in a new land (it’s the Enchanted Dominion). Chirithy is still curled up on Player’s chest, and you gently nudge him awake.)
Player: What happened...
(Player walks around, confused.)
Player: I...
Chirithy: Did you have that dream again?
Player: Dream...
Chirithy: It looks like you've had it over and over, ever since that day. Are you okay?
Player: That day?
(Chirithy reminds you of when Ava offered you the chance to join the Dandelions, and your talk with Skuld following it.)
Chirithy: The day Lady Ava invited you into the Dandelions, and you talked to Skuld at the Fountain Plaza, and you saw her off as she went to join them.
Ever since then, it seems like you've been having weird dreams from time to time.
Player: Oh…
But, what was I doing sleeping in a place like this?
Chirithy: Hmmm, I think maybe cause lately it's been sucky thing after sucky thing and you're exhausted, and getting to a new world made you more open-minded?
It's okay to take it easy every now and then, y'know.
(Chirithy skips away,leaving you to ponder. You hear him call out.)
Chirithy: Wow...
(You run to meet him and find yourself faced with a forest of thorns, blocking your path.)
Chirithy: We can't get through this, can we.
How about we call it a day, and come back once we've thought of a way through?
(You and Chirithy watch a raven fly overhead, past the thorns.)
Chirithy: If only we had wings, too, right?
(Chirithy turns to you.)
Chirithy: Okay, let's head home.
Dark Footsteps
(The raven flies over the thorns and lands on the staff of the witch, Maleficent.)
Maleficent: It seems it went well.
Even so, where has that fool gone now?
Oh well. Not even Sora and his friends can meddle in this world. Not when nuisances won't get in.
Haaaahahaha! Haaaaahahaha!
(Fade to black.)
Reconnect. KINGDOM HEARTS
COMMENTS
Hmmmm.
I have three thoughts in my head from this.
1. Maleficent has entered the Book of Prophecies.
2. She's got a protective barrier around Enchanted Dominion and we've been summoned to the future.
3. Enchanted Dominion never awoke from the Realm of Sleep and Maleficent has somehow entered this realm.
Well crap to all three, how to get to her, what will she do with the book's knowledge and will we return to Aurora's World soon?
Well now the flow of season 2 leading into KH3 is much more clear now.
This is probably what has held Sora up in the Realm of Sleep.
Time for that Keyblade data mined from the game AGES ago.
What if season 2 was Kingdom Hearts 3
This is definitely something odd...either Player + Chirithy (Ephemer & Skuld) somehow managed to enter the present day (possibly indicating that being "Unchained" means breaking free of the dream/Nightmare one is trapped in) or present-day Maleficent somehow managed to enter the era of x[chi] and her statements about Sora & co. not being capable of interfering this time means that she "broke the bridges" behind her so no one can follow her the same way she entered that era.
The whole thing does have severe Realm of Sleep vibes all over nonetheless.
So... alternate timeline? Or is this set in that gap of time we skipped previously? Did the player dream finishing Agrabah because if I have to go back there I may cry, seriously
I've thought that being "unchained" was a state of detaching from the Realm of Sleep in some way (like lucid dreaming or like how Sora and Riku were in DDD) since Ava explained the term.
So, following that thinking, Player must be in the Realm of Light now... probably.
But Maleficent says "this world," like there's something special about it. There's nothing special about Enchanted Dominion, unless she's learned some new tricks since her time in the Datascape...
So... alternate timeline?
The exposition Xehanort gives about time and time travel in DDD only make sense in a universe where there is only a single timeline.
This is definitely something odd...either Player + Chirithy (Ephemer & Skuld) somehow managed to enter the present day (possibly indicating that being "Unchained" means breaking free of the dream/Nightmare one is trapped in) or present-day Maleficent somehow managed to enter the era of x[chi] and her statements about Sora & co. not being capable of interfering this time means that she "broke the bridges" behind her so no one can follow her the same way she entered that era.
The whole thing does have severe Realm of Sleep vibes all over nonetheless.
I think you are overthinking it a tad bit. I would think that Maleficent has found out a way to enter the Realm of Sleep, which has served as a catalyst for the player to essentially snap out of their endless dream. This would mean more that the Player has been dreaming for so long that they have essentially caught up to present day.
Being Unchained seems to not imply freedom, but rather being sleep and trapped in a dream like how the Sleeping Worlds would dream of their world's end endlessly. Ava said it herself that they would go to the "outside world" and relive the events of the past repeatedly.
The exposition Xehanort gives about time and time travel in DDD only make sense in a universe where there is only a single timeline.
True, yeah (though given that it's Xehanort, that explanation not being entirely truthful isn't 100% off the table to me). I was thinking about the "Chi and Unchained are slightly different continuities" theory, but it doesn't sound like the player joined the Dandelions here, either.
It's going to be a long few months until Back Cover comes out/Unchained catches up with Chi, for sure.
The one thing that intrigues me is, why is this the Kingdom Hearts canon Maleficent and not the Maleficent conjured by the Tome of Prophecies like every other Disney character?
The one thing that intrigues me is, why is this the Kingdom Hearts canon Maleficent and not the Maleficent conjured by the Tome of Prophecies like every other Disney character?
Because she did it. She actually did it. Maleficent had a plan and she succeeded.
I've thought that being "unchained" was a state of detaching from the Realm of Sleep in some way (like lucid dreaming or like how Sora and Riku were in DDD) since Ava explained the term.
So, following that thinking, Player must be in the Realm of Light now... probably.
But Maleficent says "this world," like there's something special about it. There's nothing special about Enchanted Dominion, unless she's learned some new tricks since her time in the Datascape...
The exposition Xehanort gives about time and time travel in DDD only make sense in a universe where there is only a single timeline.
The more I learn about it the more I am also convinced that "Unchained" has something to do with "breaking free" from the trapped dreaming of the Realm of Sleep.
Either that or Player/Chirithy just moved up a dream layer if there are again multiple layers in play like in DDD.
Maleficent also spoke like this about the Data worlds in Re: Coded, so the chance that she isn't talking about the regular present Realm of Light worlds is pretty high.
So either she's really in the Realm of Sleep and somehow managed to penetrate and enter the dream that also holds Player, Chirithy, Ephemer and the others OR this is somehow all happening inside the Book of Prophecies itself and Maleficent somehow found a copy of it and managed to enter.
Exactly, alternate timelines do not exist in the KH universe.
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EDIT: (Thread moves too fast) ;P:
I think you are overthinking it a tad bit. I would think that Maleficent has found out a way to enter the Realm of Sleep, which has served as a catalyst for the player to essentially snap out of their endless dream. This would mean more that the Player has been dreaming for so long that they have essentially caught up to present day.
Being Unchained seems to not imply freedom, but rather being sleep and trapped in a dream like how the Sleeping Worlds would dream of their world's end endlessly. Ava said it herself that they would go to the "outside world" and relive the events of the past repeatedly.
But would Maleficent entering really allow the Player to leave? I'm wary of designating this Enchanted Dominion as the actual present day Realm of Light world instead of possibly another Dream Layer. Allowing persons from what is probably millennia in the past to just pop up in present day like this seems a little too easy (although it IS definitely possible due to time not running at all in the RoS).
Because she did it. She actually did it. Maleficent had a plan and she succeeded.
It remains to be seen what exactly she did as apparently entering the RoS is no average feat since DDD made it a point to show that despite not gaining the Master title, Sora did earn the same powers as Riku did from the whole adventures, including the ability to enter the RoS on his own volition.
Because she did it. She actually did it. Maleficent had a plan and she succeeded.
...I'm cool with that answer. She is the mistress of all evil after all. What if, Maleficent teams up with Maleficent conjured by the Book of Prophecies? that would be an interesting turn of events indeed...
And on an entirely separate note, where's Pete?
And on an entirely separate note, where's Pete?
Hopefully far, far away where he can't mess things up. ;P
I definitely thing 'Unchained' means breaking out of the dreams. It seems to me like there are layers of the dreams. What Ava might have meant is that Ephemera is closer to the surface and will soon break free of all the dreams all together...
But if there are layers to the dream and if this is indeed a dream, how does Ava know about it? And if she knows it will just repeat over, why does she fall into the same trap? Unless originally these events actually happened and the Ava we see from now on is just... well, a dream and she's actually long gone.
#MakeMaleficentRelevantAgain
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I like where this is going.
I think Maleficent got inside the world created by the time, and as such her home world, Enchanted Dominion got created. I really think this has a lot to do with the 'date escape'.
Those fucking teases, now we have to wait like three months for the continuation of the story.
I am just happy that Maleficent will get relevant again.
I am just happy that Maleficent will get relevant again.
Thanks to what Maleficent says, this makes me think that the Dandelions escaped the Keyblade War by hiding in the Book of Prophecies itself. The rest of the Dandelions could have left the book long ago and left the Player character in it due to his needing to, you know, heal from the MASSIVE POUNDING he took from four consecutive Foretellers. Frankly I don't even know how he/she's alive to begin with.
I have no idea HOW they'd do it, but... if Sora manages to wrest the Book of Prophecies away from Maleficent... could he release our Player into Kingdom Hearts 3?
Like last time here's my off-the-cuff translation
[spoiler]Unchained 0[ZERO]
(Scenes with Skuld and Ephemera flash over and over)
(Player opens his eyes)
Player: ... Ephemera, Skuld...
(It's revealed Player and Chirithy are laying in a field in Enchanted Dominion)
Player: What happened..?
(Player wakes up Chirithy and looks around)
Player: I...
Chirithy: That dream again?
Player: A dream...
Chirithy: Ever since that day, it seems like you've had it a lot, are you OK?
Player: That day?
Chirithy: Master Ava invited you to the Dandelions, you spoke to Skuld at the water fountain, and saw her off to be a Dandelion. Ever since that day, sometimes you've had a strange dream.
Player: Is that so... but, why did I fall asleep in a place like this?
IMPORTANT: The verb used for "sleep" here can also mean "to die"
Chirithy: Well, lately things have been intense and tiring, maybe you came to this new world to be free? It's OK to goof off once in a while.
(Chirithy walks off)
Chirithy: Oh...
(Player runs to Chirithy and finds a wall of dark thorns)
Chirithy: Guess we can't go this way. How about we go back for today, think about what to do, and come back with a fresh start?
(Player nods as Maleficent's Raven flies over the thorns)
Chirithy: Not like we have wings. Well, let's go.
Next scene
(Raven meets Maleficent on the other side of the thorns)
Maleficent: You did well.
(Raven caws happily)
Maleficent: At any rate, where did they go this time? No matter, in this world, Sora and his friends can't interfere. Intruders aren't allowed.
(insert Maleficent-cackle.wmv)
Reconnect. KINGDOM HEARTS[/spoiler]
WHAT DOES IT MEAN
Thanks for the hard work. And you too Sign. I'm now so confused though. We dreamed everything? After Master Ava invited us, we dreamed the rest of the game? How did we randomly fall asleep in Echanted Dominion? How did we even get there? How can Player even sleep there? It's like super dangerous with all that Darkness that attracts Heartless? Dafuq is a Chirithy gonna do against a Heartless???????
Hmmmm.
I have three thoughts in my head from this.
1. Maleficent has entered the Book of Prophecies.
2. She's got a protective barrier around Enchanted Dominion and we've been summoned to the future.
3. Enchanted Dominion never awoke from the Realm of Sleep and Maleficent has somehow entered this realm.
1. I think that's the most plausible.
2. But why would she summon us to the future? We would probably oppose her, she would have no use for us. I don't think she will be able to turn us to the Darkness.
3. In BBS we traveled to Enchanted Dominion though, so I don't think it's a Sleeping World.
This is definitely something odd...either Player + Chirithy (Ephemer & Skuld) somehow managed to enter the present day (possibly indicating that being "Unchained" means breaking free of the dream/Nightmare one is trapped in) or present-day Maleficent somehow managed to enter the era of x[chi] and her statements about Sora & co. not being capable of interfering this time means that she "broke the bridges" behind her so no one can follow her the same way she entered that era.
The whole thing does have severe Realm of Sleep vibes all over nonetheless.
Well she didn't necessarily "break the bridges". I mean, is Sora & Co. even aware that the Tome of Prophecies exist? Aside from Yen Sid of course. I think she meant it more in the way that no one will find her there, because no one will look there. Because no one knows you can even enter the Tome of Prophecies. Or where the ToP is for that matter.
I've thought that being "unchained" was a state of detaching from the Realm of Sleep in some way (like lucid dreaming or like how Sora and Riku were in DDD) since Ava explained the term.
So, following that thinking, Player must be in the Realm of Light now... probably.
But Maleficent says "this world," like there's something special about it. There's nothing special about Enchanted Dominion, unless she's learned some new tricks since her time in the Datascape...
The exposition Xehanort gives about time and time travel in DDD only make sense in a universe where there is only a single timeline.
If she is going to be a main villain again, she probably did learn some new tricks. And I think that she was talking about the ToP when she said "this world".
I think you are overthinking it a tad bit. I would think that Maleficent has found out a way to enter the Realm of Sleep, which has served as a catalyst for the player to essentially snap out of their endless dream. This would mean more that the Player has been dreaming for so long that they have essentially caught up to present day.
But if the Player slept outside all that time, how did his body keep up? Shouldn't it be really old now?
But would Maleficent entering really allow the Player to leave? I'm wary of designating this Enchanted Dominion as the actual present day Realm of Light world instead of possibly another Dream Layer. Allowing persons from what is probably millennia in the past to just pop up in present day like this seems a little too easy (although it IS definitely possible due to time not running at all in the RoS).
It remains to be seen what exactly she did as apparently entering the RoS is no average feat since DDD made it a point to show that despite not gaining the Master title, Sora did earn the same powers as Riku did from the whole adventures, including the ability to enter the RoS on his own volition.
Proof that even Nomura starts to think that this time travel business is a bit overcomplicated, so now he made a easy way to time travel. But I don't think Maleficents arrivel will allow the Player to leave, atleast not directly. I think she will be a indirect cause that leads the Player to the discovery that he is actually in a dream.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but she did manage to enter Jiminy Cricket's journal, that was the Datascape, and she did say that that book was the same type of book as the ToP, so technically she already did it once right?
...I'm cool with that answer. She is the mistress of all evil after all. What if, Maleficent teams up with Maleficent conjured by the Book of Prophecies? that would be an interesting turn of events indeed...
This makes me think, is it possible to bring people from the Datascape or ToP to the real world? Like in KH2 they brought that Munny Pouch from Data TT to the real world.
But if there are layers to the dream and if this is indeed a dream, how does Ava know about it? And if she knows it will just repeat over, why does she fall into the same trap? Unless originally these events actually happened and the Ava we see from now on is just... well, a dream and she's actually long gone.
Maybe she deliberately falls for the trap? Because she want to free everyone from the Dream, not just herself. She is pretty selfless.
#MakeMaleficentRelevantAgain
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I like where this is going.
I am just happy that Maleficent will get relevant again.
Meh, I've always like the original KH villains more.
Right when I think I completely understand the KHX story, Nomura throws this in. My brain hurts.
2. But why would she summon us to the future? We would probably oppose her, she would have no use for us. I don't think she will be able to turn us to the Darkness.
It's as Maleficent says:
"Yes, considering legend has it the book can also conjure, making an entire world filled with beings and powers that have yet to exist".
It's very probably that Maleficent could fill Enchanted Dominion with beings and powers through the book.
[video=youtube;wLMoa5-yI28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLMoa5-yI28[/video]
| 3. In BBS we traveled to Enchanted Dominion though, so I don't think it's a Sleeping World. |
It fell to darkness after Birth by Sleep. When most world were restored at the end of Kingdom Hearts 1, some of them were stuck in the realm of sleep. It's quite possible Enchanted Dominion could be one of them.
After watching that scene from Re:Coded again, a part of it could now make some sense:
Maleficent: "It's finally clear."
Pete: "What's that?"
Maleficent: "Why that world they call the "date escape" seemed so familiar."
Pete: "Huh?"
Maleficent: "A book... known as the ancient Book of Prophecies. It's said to be capable of transcribing events that have yet to take place."
Pete: "No kidding! If we got our mitts on somethin' like that, we could finally take over permanent-like!"
From what she reveals, she knows of the Book of Prophecies. She knows of it's power, which can imply that what we just witnessed in this Special Episode takes place in the past and our current Maleficent has lived through it. What doesn't make sense is that if she has lived through it, where did the book go and why does it sound like she's never seen the book before?
Oops, nevermind. Seems I was hallucinating.
Maleficent: "It's finally clear."
Pete: "What's that?"
Maleficent: "Why that world they call the "date escape" seemed so familiar."
Now I'm reading this like Maleficent has been in a world created by the Book of Prophecies
NOMURAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Now I'm reading this like Maleficent has been in a world created by the Book of Prophecies
NOMURAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The whole series has been taking place in the Book of Prophecies
I wasn't expecting this big of a reveal in the secret episode. Was definitely hoping for something connecting the game to KH3, but I never would have expected something this big. The wait for Back Cover & more story in Unchained X is just gonna feel even longer now.
It's as Maleficent says:
"Yes, considering legend has it the book can also conjure, making an entire world filled with beings and powers that have yet to exist".
It's very probably that Maleficent could fill Enchanted Dominion with beings and powers through the book.
[video=youtube;wLMoa5-yI28]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLMoa5-yI28[/video]
It fell to darkness after Birth by Sleep. When most world were restored at the end of Kingdom Hearts 1, some of them were stuck in the realm of sleep. It's quite possible Enchanted Dominion could be one of them.
After watching that scene from Re:Coded again, a part of it could now make some sense:
Maleficent: "It's finally clear."
Pete: "What's that?"
Maleficent: "Why that world they call the "date escape" seemed so familiar."
Pete: "Huh?"
Maleficent: "A book... known as the ancient Book of Prophecies. It's said to be capable of transcribing events that have yet to take place."
Pete: "No kidding! If we got our mitts on somethin' like that, we could finally take over permanent-like!"
From what she reveals, she knows of the Book of Prophecies. She knows of it's power, which can imply that what we just witnessed in this Special Episode takes place in the past and our current Maleficent has lived through it. What doesn't make sense is that if she has lived through it, where did the book go and why does it sound like she's never seen the book before?
Yes, but she would probably fill it with Heartless and other Dark beings she controls. Why summon a Keybearer?
Hmm... makes sense I guess.
It can imply that this episode took place in the past, but it can also imply that the episode took place after that scene. She did say she is going to look for a connection. She also implies that she knows that that book is connected to the Ancient Keyblade War. So she certainly knows where to look and after some intense investigation she finally found the book and entered it. Leading to the Secret Episode in X Chi.
The whole series has been taking place in the Book of Prophecies
Damn, I've always hated "It was all just a dream." endings. Pls Nomura, don't do this.
Now I'm reading this like Maleficent has been in a world created by the Book of Prophecies
NOMURAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Didn't you not Watch the Re Coded movie or DDD, she mentioned about the book and even wanted the Data to the world's that was recorded from Jimmy's journal believing it to be the book.
The whole series has been taking place in the Book of Prophecies
Like...is any of this for real...or not!?
*beeeeeeep*
Didn't you not Watch the Re Coded movie or DDD, she mentioned about the book and even wanted the Data to the world's that was recorded from Jimmy's journal believing it to be the book.
What I'm saying is that I'm interpreting the line differently now that the Short Episode happened.
Before it just seems like she's remembering what she's heard of the Book of Prophecies, but now it could mean something different.
What's the chance Xehanort has the Book of Prophecies and that's how he's going to summon the other Xehanort's to the future?
Like this is a 4 minute scene from a cute "non-canon" game and now we've all been fucked over. Only Nomura...
So does this further prove that the Book of Prophecies is very similar to Jiminy's Journal (and probably other worlds like 100 Acre Wood)? Was the book just another secret that Xehanort told Maleficent (like the seven princesses, the heartless, and the keyholes)? Is she just being used again to find said book/world -like she apparently has-?
What I'm saying is that I'm interpreting the line differently now that the Short Episode happened. Before it just seems like she's remembering what she's heard of the Book of Prophecies, but now it could mean something different. |
It is interesting how Maleficent would even know about the Book of Prophecies to begin with. Maybe it comes from around the same time she got knowledge of Kingdom Hearts when she arrived in Hollow Bastion? I wouldn't be surprised if Ansem the Wise had information regarding it. Besides that, with her wording in that scene it definitely seems likely she may have come across the Book of Prophecies at some point. And she clearly knows how to use it, if that's what's going on in this new secret episode.
What's the chance Xehanort has the Book of Prophecies and that's how he's going to summon the other Xehanort's to the future?
Like this is a 4 minute scene from a cute "non-canon" game and now we've all been diddlyed over. Only Nomura...
Definitely possible considering what is currently known about the book's abilities.
There's also the prospect that there might be 6 instances of the Book of Prophecies in existence. The five copies of the Foretellers and the original of the Master of Masters.
If Maleficent has one and Xehanort has another, who has the other four instances?
Mickey? Yen Sid? Ansem the Wise?
This is definitely a typical Nomura...<__<
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So does this further prove that the Book of Prophecies is very similar to Jiminy's Journal (and probably other worlds like 100 Acre Wood)? Was the book just another secret that Xehanort told Maleficent (like the seven princesses, the heartless, and the keyholes)? Is she just being used again to find said book/world -like she apparently has-?
Interesting take on the whole issue, and yes, the parallels to the 100 Acre Wood are also definitely there.
It is possible that she initially learned about it from MX and that this is just her playing "errand girl" for Xehanort again while thinking she's doing it all for her own ambitions.
So does this further prove that the Book of Prophecies is very similar to Jiminy's Journal (and probably other worlds like 100 Acre Wood)? Was the book just another secret that Xehanort told Maleficent (like the seven princesses, the heartless, and the keyholes)? Is she just being used again to find said book/world -like she apparently has-?
If Maleficent has one and Xehanort has another, who has the other four instances?
Mickey? Yen Sid? Ansem the Wise?
Don't forget that Yen Sid has that book that details the past, present, and future.
Ohh boy. One short scene later, and everything we thought we knew about Kingdom Hearts is hurled across the void.
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I swear to god, if Nomura actually remembers this opening line and decides to make it important again...
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Don't forget that Yen Sid has that book that details the past, present, and future.
Yup, Yen Sid having another instance of the BoP chances are definitely high.
Ohh boy. One short scene later, and everything we thought we knew about Kingdom Hearts is hurled across the void.
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I swear to god, if Nomura actually remembers this opening line and decides to make it important again...
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What somewhat irks me about this is that the "it was all a dream"-ending may just have got more plausibility-points at least for some parts of the whole series.
It is at least one way how to interpret the initial message Chaser posted about the subject...
Interesting take on the whole issue, and yes, the parallels to the 100 Acre Wood are also definitely there.
It is possible that she initially learned about it from MX and that this is just her playing "errand girl" for Xehanort again while thinking she's doing it all for her own ambitions.
I hope she's not just an errand girl again, but... it seems so likely. But I forgot that there is more than one book, Maleficent could have just found one of them... but are they all connected in that way (as in, sharing the place where the dandelions are sleeping?)? I guess they could be.
Don't forget that Yen Sid has that book that details the past, present, and future.
I didn't include Yen Sid's only because there isn't any indication that a world is stored inside of it. Which links to my question above if all the books of prophecies are linked because in that case, I assume only one of the books hold the sleeping dandelions, that probably being Ava's.
This also makes Merlin's weird statements about "AWAKEN YOUR INNER POWER WITH THIS WINNE THE POOH BOOK", there's probably something else to it in that exchange. Other than unlocking a command board
What somewhat irks me about this is that the "it was all a dream"-ending may just have got more plausibility-points at least for some parts of the whole series.
It is at least one way how to interpret the initial message Chaser posted about the subject...
It might be a little too early to be drawing conclusions, since all we've got is a rough translation. Slight wording changes can completely shift the implications of a sentence sometimes.
I hope she's not just an errand girl again, but... it seems so likely. But I forgot that there is more than one book, Maleficent could have just found one of them... but are they all connected in that way? I guess they could be.
I didn't include Yen Sid's only because there isn't any indication that a world is stored inside of it. Which links to my question above if all the books of prophecies are linked because in that case, I assume only one of the books hold the sleeping dandelions, that probably being Ava's.
This also makes Merlin's weird statements about "AWAKEN YOUR INNER POWER WITH THIS WINNE THE POOH BOOK", there's probably something else to it in that exchange. Other than unlocking a command board
It would certainly better if it would not be, but looking at other things this seems to be a flurry of parallels swung about, so that may be one too.
Well, the five copies held by the Foretellers are derived/copied from the original one the Master of Masters held (or maybe still holds). However, copies can diverge into something of their own depending on influences despite having the same origin while still being connected.
We have already two seen two prominent instances in the KH series, one being a character and another being a world.
The character in question is Roxas, as he was created/born as a copy from elements of Sora, but developed into something of his own while still being heavily connected to Sora. The same could also be applied to Naminé, Xion and possibly even Vanitas, although to different degrees.
The world in question is Space Paranoids/The Grid, that one being even outright described by Xemnas in DDD. Space Paranoids is a copy of The Grid and the Tron in one of them is different to the other, but they are still somehow connected as Sora eventually managed to reach The Grid-Tron's/Rinzler's heart despite never having met him before, possibly due to his connection to Space Paranoids-Tron who despite diverging and developing into a different entity/person is still somehow connected to The Grid-Tron/Rinzler.
Xemnas also speaks about that data can be copied. If you do the same with a magical book you get a similar result.
Thus, it is possible that all of the five copies of the BoP are slightly different due to influence from the respective Foreteller that wielded it.
The sleeping Dandelions would most likely indeed be in Ava's copy though.
I didn't include Yen Sid's only because there isn't any indication that a world is stored inside of it. Which links to my question above if all the books of prophecies are linked because in that case, I assume only one of the books hold the sleeping dandelions, that probably being Ava's.
But then how else did Yen Sid summon those holograms of the Heartless, Organization XIII, and Donald!?!?!?!
I've seen Goldpanner's translations and a little spoiler alert: it seems like we've been travelling the worlds for a while? :(
Edit: AAHHH WHAT HAPPENED TO PETE
It might be a little too early to be drawing conclusions, since all we've got is a rough translation. Slight wording changes can completely shift the implications of a sentence sometimes.
I'll admit my work on the ending was pretty rough, but the text in the Short Episode is pretty straightforward, so I don't think I've made any serious mistakes.
Personally, I don't give much credence to "it was all a dream," even with the content of the Short Episode. I have my own thoughts but we'll see what this all really means in Season 2 and maybe Back Cover.
At any rate, some people like to call Nomura a hack but I can't imagine him doing all of this and then making the ending something so reprehensibly cheap.
If anything the entire concept of the Realm of Sleep is Nomura's way of turning "it was all just a dream" on its head.
The only thing I'm sure with this is that Maleficient never gets tired of lose xD
Wha- oh that's right. Just because it's a dream doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Because this is Kingdom Hearts. *smacks forehead*
Wha- oh that's right. Just because it's a dream doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Because this is Kingdom Hearts. *smacks forehead*
I feel sorry for the poor girl. She must believe that because this is the world of a dream that only she could enter because she holds power over sleep. Having no idea our heroes already got the power to enter dreams whenever they want.
Fun fact: ever since getting my very own Chirithy this is how I wake up every morning
Guys, guys. Remember DDD's intro? Characters came out of FIVE books. Foreshadowing...?! :o
Guys, guys. Remember DDD's intro? Characters came out of FIVE books. Foreshadowing...?! :o
I think that was one of the very earliest theories about the Book of Prophecies but everyone just forgot since it's been 4 years and we're all so very tired.
AND about the 'it was just a dream' we have the possibility of Chirithy lying for unknown reasons: "You nearly dying alone and seeing hundreds of friends perish before your own eyes that definitely didn't happen. What?! Recurring dreams of a battlefield and a terrifying cat monster, it's just your imagination! Please stop thinking about it."
P.S.: I doubt the player thinks a forest ground is a good place for naps.
I think that was one of the very earliest theories about the Book of Prophecies but everyone just forgot since it's been 4 years and we're all so very tired.
Up with all the translation or another reason I try not to say
OP updated with goldpanner's translations and English subbed vids!
(also i forgot i was messing with the subs a few hours ago and left the 'a' in ephemer by accident oops)
BTW Chirithy says "lets go home" but like where is home :O
Up with all the translation or another reason I try not to say
Can you elaborate, I'm afraid I don't quite understand?
Guys, guys. Remember DDD's intro? Characters came out of FIVE books. Foreshadowing...?! :o
Whoa, nice catch.
The very intro even starts with a Destiny Islands from a book and the whole intro itself (Sora's capsule, Axel & Roxas battle scene etc) is completely accompanied by book pages around everywhere.
The part of the Keyblade Graveyard started with only Sora, Riku, Mickey and MX present.
Then Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Roxas and Donald & Goofy appeared out of five different books (Donald and Goofy appeared from the same one).
BTW Chirithy says "lets go home" but like where is home :O
Daybreak Town obviously.
Player has a room/flat there after all.
Perhaps Chirithy thinks you can just open a portal (or how else you usually "go back" to Daybreak Town in x[chi]) and be done with it.
Ok, so now that we've gotten all of that out of the way, can I just say...is it just me or are we left with more questions than answers after this ending?
What did this war have to do with the x-blade? What was Luxu's plan? What's his connection to Xehanort? IS there a connection to Xehanort? Who was there master? What were his plans? What happened to the Dandelions? What happened to the Player? How does Kingdom Hearts factor into any of this? What happened to the Foretellers? Who was the grey Chirithy? Who was the traitor?
There are just far too many questions!!!
BTW Chirithy says "lets go home" but like where is home :O
Can you elaborate, I'm afraid I don't quite understand?
When you said all are tired I wanted to say about this whole thing, but sadly I will unleash Pandora's box for saying that so up all night waiting for translations?
Ok, so now that we've gotten all of that out of the way, can I just say...is it just me or are we left with more questions than answers after this ending?
What did this war have to do with the x-blade? What was Luxu's plan? What's his connection to Xehanort? IS there a connection to Xehanort? Who was there master? What were his plans? What happened to the Dandelions? What happened to the Player? How does Kingdom Hearts factor into any of this? What happened to the Foretellers? Who was the grey Chirithy? Who was the traitor?
There are just far too many questions!!!
Please be excited for Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue and the upcoming continuation of the story in Kingdom Hearts Unchained χ
- Nomura
Ok, so now that we've gotten all of that out of the way, can I just say...is it just me or are we left with more questions than answers after this ending?
What did this war have to do with the x-blade? What was Luxu's plan? What's his connection to Xehanort? IS there a connection to Xehanort? Who was there master? What were his plans? What happened to the Dandelions? What happened to the Player? How does Kingdom Hearts factor into any of this? What happened to the Foretellers? Who was the grey Chirithy? Who was the traitor?
There are just far too many questions!!!
To be continued on KHx Back Cover and KHUx Season II.
*cue Dearly Beloved*
(insert NomuraLaughs.gif with KefkaLaugh.mp3 here)
Oh god I just realized something it seems Pete and maleficent entered the dreams together but Pete vanished. Pete being Julius and ending up in dream traverse town semi-confirmed?
Reading goldpanner's translation:
Even so, where has that fool gone now?
Is she talking about Pete?
*insert amused smirk here*
Oh god I just realized something it seems Pete and maleficent entered the dreams together but Pete vanished. Pete being Julius and ending up in dream traverse town semi-confirmed?
DON'T YOU EVEN
I mean I've been calling it for like an age now. Julius doesn't just look like pete he fights like Pete even using his animations such as knocking his fist together before using a punch combo. Re:coded established in addition to his regular tricks Pete has lightning powers. Julius appears with the sound of a portal opening and clearly had a beef with Sora and Riku. And he is the only boss in series that has no explanation what so ever. Since we already know the realm of sleep exists outside of time and so you could use it to go from the past to the present...it stands to reason that things from the future could make it in there and interact there with people from past/present who also arrived there. And I mean come on Maleficent says "I have big plans for Pete" in the same game a giant super Pete appears unexplained. I will earnestly be shocked if Pete is not Julius.
Yo can I get a citation on "that fool"
'Cause
I mean I'm no expert
But to be honest I don't see where that came from and it kind of feels like just an inference.
The line in question being「それにしても、あいつはまたどこに行ったんだい？」
Pronoun in bold.
It's a safe assumption given this is probably present day Maleficent, but even so.
We are moving farther and farther away from the "games on one console" plan they had some time ago.
Oh yeah... I forgot about Yen Sid casting the holograms. Was that really from the book? I don't quite remember.
As for the DDD opening, I think much of Sora's journey was just a representation of Jiminy's Journal/Coded, but the ending with Mickey could be alluding to the Books of Prophecy.
"Sora and his friends"
i'm scared now
We are moving farther and farther away from the "games on one console" plan they had some time ago.
Not if Back Cover ends with this scene using a random player design and KH3 is season 2
We are moving farther and farther away from the "games on one console" plan they had some time ago.
Eh part of me thinks we will actually get to play this part of the story as Sora. That would explain why Nomura said we see dream eaters specifically meow wow again in KH3. I think Sora's story in unchained will probably be in kh3 and the equivalent of the backcover for chi.
That is probably why they made so much effort in Daybreak Town's visuals because it will be a playable world come kh3.
Okay, now I really need some help. I love reading all your theories but I'm confused as hell now.
So. Everything from Ava's invitation never happened? If I got it? OR it really happened, but they think it was a dream?
And what about the Realm of Sleep? I see a lot of people talking about it, but as far as I remember nothing is confirmed right?
Someone should really do a recap x)
Yo can I get a citation on "that fool"
'Cause
I mean I'm no expert
But to be honest I don't see where that came from and it kind of feels like just an inference.
The line in question being「それにしても、あいつはまたどこに行ったんだい？」
Pronoun in bold.
It's a safe assumption given this is probably present day Maleficent, but even so.
Goldpanner told me to tell you:
"AITSU is slightly rude way to refer to someone and 'that fool' sounds maleficenty"
Goldpanner told me to tell you:
"AITSU is slightly rude way to refer to someone and 'that fool' sounds maleficenty"
That way of talking certainly fits Maleficent to a T and she did often complain about Pete's incompetency in carrying out her plans/orders.
So you're telling me that there really might be some kind of significance behind Julius showing up in Dream World Traverse Town...
Goldpanner told me to tell you:
"AITSU is slightly rude way to refer to someone and 'that fool' sounds maleficenty"
Alright, that makes sense. I still haven't replayed the games in Japanese so I don't quite have a feel for the way Maleficent talks.
So you're telling me that there really might be some kind of significance behind Julius showing up in Dream World Traverse Town...
No there isn't, I don't have a clue what you are reaching about
No there isn't, I don't have a clue what you are reaching about
*waves at the entire last page of the thread*
I'm not entirely sure either.
So you're telling me that there really might be some kind of significance behind Julius showing up in Dream World Traverse Town...
OHMAIGA! What if the Reapers' Game isn't actually afterlife, BUT A SEQUENCE OF A THREE-LAYERED dream?!? :o dundunDUNNN!!!!!!
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In all seriousness, I doubt Julius is nothing more than a superboss akin to Kurt Zisa and Phantom: they were in Agrabah and Clocktower "just because".
Well I definitely wasn't expecting Maleficent to show up. Interesting to see where this goes... If the Player really has been sleeping all the way to the present day and only wakes up now, then perhaps Ephemera and Skuld are still sleeping too. This also makes me feel Ephemera might have some connection to Xehanort after all. Or maybe the hair color is just a red herring and there's no connection at all. Chirithy is acting a bit weird though, it doesn't sound like it just woke up after hundreds of years, the Player clearly doesn't know what's going on, but Chirithy sounds like it might?
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What'sthe chance Xehanort has the Book of Prophecies and that's how he'sgoing to summon the other Xehanort's to the future?
[FONT=Verdana]Like this is a 4 minute scene from a cute "non-canon" game andnow we've all been diddlyed over. Only Nomura...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]But how did Maleficent enter it then? And if he's already going to summon them that way was the use of DDD's time travel?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Well they made it canon. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Rip,that moment when your post is the last one on the last page and noone sees it. [/FONT]
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Sodoes this further prove that the Book of Prophecies is very similarto Jiminy's Journal
[FONT=Verdana](andprobably other worlds like 100 Acre Wood)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]?Was the book just another secret that Xehanort told Maleficent [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana](likethe seven princesses, the heartless, and the keyholes)[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]?Is she just being used again to find said book/world -like sheapparently has-?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]It would be really sad if she ends up being used again. In that case I would rather have that she learns to control the power of the ToP andthen become a actual threat toXehanort.[/FONT]
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Definitelypossible considering what is currently known about the book'sabilities.
[FONT=Verdana]There'salso the prospect that there might be 6 instances of the Book ofProphecies in existence. The five copies of the Foretellers and theoriginal of the Master of Masters.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]IfMaleficent has one and Xehanort has another, who has the other fourinstances?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Mickey?Yen Sid? Ansem the Wise?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Thisis definitely a typical Nomura...<__<[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Wait,so the copies also have the power of the ToP? Well that'sinteresting...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]If Ansem the wise had one I think Xehanort took it after he got banished.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]And I don't think Mickey has one. Yen Sid probably has one and showed Mickey because he is a Master. Maybe he showed Riku too.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]If MoM and Luxu are still alive or something it's safe to assume they both have a version, maybe even the original.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]That makes 4, and now Maleficent has 1, making 5. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Eraqus has the 6th? Or actually, the LoD has the 6th. The world also used to have Luxu's Keyblade, what other relics would it have? LoD changed into CO so the copy got his own room as well and only a wielder with the Master Keeper can get to that room.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Book of Prophecies. No one ever said anything about the 5 other copies. Do those copies really have the same powers? Who is to say that they weren't destroyed?[/FONT]
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Don'tforget that Yen Sid has that book that details the past, present, andfuture.
[FONT=Verdana]Wait he does? What? The more I talk with you guys the more I painfully realize I've forgotten quit a bit of the series. Damn...[/FONT]
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Ohhboy. One short scene later, and everything we thought we knew aboutKingdom Hearts is hurled across the void.
[FONT=Verdana]You would expect we got used to it by now...[/FONT]
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Itmight be a little too early to be drawing conclusions, since allwe've got is a rough translation. Slight wording changes cancompletely shift the implications of a sentencesometimes.
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Guys, guys. Remember DDD's intro? Characters came out of FIVE books. Foreshadowing...?! :o
O_o I totally forgot.
In all seriousness, I doubt Julius is nothing more than a superboss akin to Kurt Zisa and Phantom: they were in Agrabah and Clocktower "just because".
Gonna go with that because I have no idea who Julius is in the Disney Universe.
[FONT=Verdana]Buthow did Maleficent enter it then? And if he's already going to summonthem that way was the use of DDD's time travel?[/FONT]
We don't know how she did it. And I'm not that knowledgeable on time travel in the series but my guess that them being in the Realm of Sleep made that easier to accomplish, but in the real world maybe they will usie the book to summon the many Xehanorts throughout history.
We don't know how she did it. And I'm not that knowledgeable on time travel in the series but my guess that them being in the Realm of Sleep made that easier to accomplish, but in the real world maybe they will usie the book to summon the many Xehanorts throughout history.
Interesting. Still makes me wonder why the DDD time travel was necessary, why not use the BoP the firs time. Also, that are alot of typos in my quote...
What if the secrets of Land of Departure are on the Book? And said Book has been passed down from Master to Master. What if there were three copies, and each apprentice (Xehanort, Eraqus and Yen Sid) took one? What if MX takes the Goatblade in order to possibly unseal the Books hiding place?
Also, remember that secret teaser trailer from a year or two ago where Sora is in what seems to be the same area where Eraqus and Xehanort played chess? What if he was sent there to look for the Book?
But we're not sure if they are in the Realm of Sleep. Maybe everything was real but they think it is just a dream.
The beginning of the video gave me impression that they are reliving the same thing over and over. So maybe that's what mean "Unchained"? Being unchained from the reality of the war and from what happened?
And eventually, the player decided to become "chained" to the reality again? That's why he has the impression it is a dream? Because coming back to the reality is making you forget Unchained and what it was?
And Maleficent found a way to go in the past, somehow.
Interesting. Still makes me think why the DDD time travel was necessary, why not use the BoP the firs time. Also, that are alot of typos in my quote...
Because they needed to drag Sora into the Realm of Sleep so they can break his heart down. DDD's plot was extremely complicated with all these layers.
*Mind explodes* Well..........crap! IF Maleficent had actually traveled to the past, she could change history then. If that's the case, then it'll be like Back to the Future. Sora may (just a theory) have to travel to that certain time in order to stop Maleficent before she changes the past. Maybe *cough* KH3 *cough*. Could be wrong but that's just what I just think.
Not if Back Cover ends with this scene using a random player design and KH3 is season 2
Eh part of me thinks we will actually get to play this part of the story as Sora. That would explain why Nomura said we see dream eaters specifically meow wow again in KH3. I think Sora's story in unchained will probably be in kh3 and the equivalent of the backcover for chi.
That is probably why they made so much effort in Daybreak Town's visuals because it will be a playable world come kh3.
Although I doubt KH3 is season 2, the messaging simply doesn't point to that.
I can see some overlapping happening though and playing part of χ's story in 3.
Maybe the Book of Prophecies in general is a sort of "gateway" to enter the Realm of Sleep for those who haven't gained/do not possess the power to enter at their own whim with their own powers.
Since in the Realm of Sleep there is no time flow at all, it could theoretically be used as a "hub" to reach every possible era in the timeline and "relive" past events through it.
I remember there was also once a theory that Xemnas and Ansem are not actually pulled from the actual past but that the hearts they could have possibly grown went to the Realm of Sleep upon Xehanort's recompletion and are summoned from there.
Nomura once did point out specifically for Ansem SoD that, no matter how often he is defeated, he always comes back somehow and that it may connect with the special properties of the World that Never Was.
Heck, maybe the World that Never Was actually IS Daybreak Town (with the White Castle being the Foreteller's Castle and the Dark City being Daybreak Town itself) and there happened something similar to how Land of Departure changed into Castle Oblivion.
Thematically this would also fit since LoD was a lush, green and shiny world that got changed into a largely dark one with the actual Castle Oblivion having a cold, sterile and "white" interior.
Daybreak Town is also full of colors, green and shiny while TWTNW is largely dark with the Castle being cold, sterile and "white"/"grey".
Maybe the Book of Prophecies in general is a sort of "gateway" to enter the Realm of Sleep for those who haven't gained/do not possess the power to enter at their own whim with their own powers.
Since in the Realm of Sleep there is no time flow at all, it could theoretically be used as a "hub" to reach every possible era in the timeline and "relive" past events through it.
But we don't know for sure that there is a connection to the Realm of Sleep, right?
*Mind explodes* Well..........crap! IF Maleficent had actually traveled to the past, she could change history then. If that's the case, then it'll be like Back to the Future. Sora may (just a theory) have to travel to that certain time in order to stop Maleficent before she changes the past. Maybe *cough* KH3 *cough*. Could be wrong but that's just what I just think.
There isn't just one 'way' to change history. (Do we even know that she travelled back? Did she use MX's technique? Does she even HAVE another version of herself?) Even IF history changes, she might create another timeline if we go by the Multiverse Theory.
OHMAIGA! What if the Reapers' Game isn't actually afterlife, BUT A SEQUENCE OF A THREE-LAYERED dream?!? :o dundunDUNNN!!!!!!
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In all seriousness, I doubt Julius is nothing more than a superboss akin to Kurt Zisa and Phantom: they were in Agrabah and Clocktower "just because".
So no even Kurt Zisa and Phantom had explanations for why they appeared. Julius is the only secret boss in series that does not. Nomura wouldn't even include bosses if he can't think of story reasons for them. That's why the CoM org members weren't included in KH2 because they didn't have time to come up with a way it make sense for them to appear. Then when KH2FM+ came around they did and came up with the whole not-ghost and data replica stuff.
Also, remember that secret teaser trailer from a year or two ago where Sora is in what seems to be the same area where Eraqus and Xehanort played chess? What if he was sent there to look for the Book?
I can see that part happening yeah. Buuuuut... if that is LoD, how can he be there? Because it changed into CO, did they change it back to LoD? Is that even possible?
Because they needed to drag Sora into the Realm of Sleep so they can break his heart down. DDD's plot was extremely complicated with all these layers.
Yes but, if Xehanort can grab any Xehanort from the past through the book, he can literally have as many Xehanorts as there are seconds in his life. He can easily assemble 13 Xehanorts, why need Sora as vessel in that case? I'm assuming you mean with breaking Sora's Heart down, Norting Sora's heart.
Maybe the Book of Prophecies in general is a sort of "gateway" to enter the Realm of Sleep for those who haven't gained/do not possess the power to enter at their own whim with their own powers.
Since in the Realm of Sleep there is no time flow at all, it could theoretically be used as a "hub" to reach every possible era in the timeline and "relive" past events through it.
I remember there was also once a theory that Xemnas and Ansem are not actually pulled from the actual past but that the hearts they could have possibly grown went to the Realm of Sleep upon Xehanort's recompletion and are summoned from there.
Nomura once did point out specifically for Ansem SoD that, no matter how often he is defeated, he always comes back somehow and that it may connect with the special properties of the World that Never Was.
Heck, maybe the World that Never Was actually IS Daybreak Town (with the White Castle being the Foreteller's Castle and the Dark City being Daybreak Town itself) and there happened something similar to how Land of Departure changed into Castle Oblivion.
Thematically this would also fit since LoD was a lush, green and shiny world that got changed into a largely dark one with the actual Castle Oblivion having a cold, sterile and "white" interior.
Daybreak Town is also full of colors, green and shiny while TWTNW is largely dark with the Castle being cold, sterile and "white"/"grey".
But to what end? Sure you can relive every event through the RoS but you can't actually change anything. Well you can, but the world is asleep so it won't affect the present, it will just start over again. If you wanna affect it you first need to be a Keyblade Bearer, get in, affect the World how you want and then unlock the Sleeping Keyhole. And to make it a Sleeping World it has to fall in Darkness first and then there is a chance that it becomes a sleeping world. Seems all a bit ineffective.
Hmm... Yen Sid can make places where time flows slower. Maybe that has something to do with the RoS as well?
But who would have changed it, and why? And with what Keyblade?
There isn't just one 'way' to change history. (Do we even know that she travelled back? Did she use MX's technique? Does she even HAVE another version of herself?) Even IF history changes, she might create another timeline if we go by the Multiverse Theory.
Wait didn't they just establish that Kingdom Hearts can't have a Multiverse? Not that I'm against it or anything. Hell, if you make a story with time travel you MUST have a multiverse. Otherwise it's no fun.
I'm so confused!
What's going on?
Wait didn't they just establish that Kingdom Hearts can't have a Multiverse? Not that I'm against it or anything. Hell, if you make a story with time travel you MUST have a multiverse. Otherwise it's no fun.
I am actually against Multiverse. Mutliverse can sometimes be so confusing to many, especially with how the things are in KH. lol
Also, even if Maleficent used Xehanorts technique (which I don't think she did), she wouldn't be able to change history.
(insert NomuraLaughs.gif with KefkaLaugh.mp3 here)
It's not Nomura, but it's the best I could do:
[video=youtube;Z57bTerHJ-A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z57bTerHJ-A[/video]
Also, I have no idea what to think of this. My only thought is that our player is reliving the same dream over and over again and Maleficent has found a way to enter the Book of Prophecies (or the Realm of Sleep because we haven't been o the Enchanted Dominion since KHBBS, and we know that Sleeping Beauty was taken from her world so the world might still be in the Realm of Sleep). I just can't explain why Maleficent would say it felt familiar to her. Maybe this Maleficent is a past version of Maleficent that found her way in? I don't know man...
But to what end? Sure you can relive every event through the RoS but you can't actually change anything. Well you can, but the world is asleep so it won't affect the present, it will just start over again. If you wanna affect it you first need to be a Keyblade Bearer, get in, affect the World how you want and then unlock the Sleeping Keyhole. And to make it a Sleeping World it has to fall in Darkness first and then there is a chance that it becomes a sleeping world. Seems all a bit ineffective.
Hmm... Yen Sid can make places where time flows slower. Maybe that has something to do with the RoS as well?
But who would have changed it, and why? And with what Keyblade?
Wait didn't they just establish that Kingdom Hearts can't have a Multiverse? Not that I'm against it or anything. Hell, if you make a story with time travel you MUST have a multiverse. Otherwise it's no fun.
You do not need to actually change the past in order to get enough ammunition to manipulate events and people in the present so that you can bring about a future you desire. What do you think Xehanort is doing this whole time and what the primary motivation of his character is?
Knowledge is power and Xehanort knows much more than any average Keyblade Master should know. The ability to relive the past in a sort of live-action cinema in itself thus already holds considerable power by itself without the ability to change anything in the past itself.
Nomura actually alluded to this with the example of why Xehanort/Ansem SoD even became interested in Riku in the first place, because he might have had access to some of Terra's memories and thus knew that in the past Terra bequeathed the Keyblade wielding ability upon Riku.
In the KH 2 Final Mix exclusive scenes when Xigbar, Zexion and Vexen are talking about the Chamber of Repose and that Xemnas apparently is sleeping inside it. The implications that he was furthering further Nort-agenda in these "sessions" in the chamber are certainly there.
Possibly, both Yen Sid and Merlin are very powerful sorcerers and may thus have abilities in this area that go beyond what a "normal" Keybearer might be capable of.
There are several candidates, ranging from one of the Foretellers over Luxu or the MoM, possibly even Ephemer or Skuld.
The "why" is a tricky question that can have several possible answers as is the one what Keyblade was used.
Of course it is also possible that TWTNW is actually the Nobody of Daybreak Town (worlds do have hearts as well), which means there would be also the need for a "Heartless" of that world's heart.
As far as we know there isn't any possibility for a "multiverse" or alternating timelines, which is a lucky thing as keeping track of the twists and connections is already much work just with one timeline at hand!
I'd also like to point out those volumes we were moving around in Hollow Bastion in KH1 to get the secret passages to work. I think some KH players have gone back and noted there were five of those there.
Anyway, this update was really interesting! A lot better than I thought it was going to be, actually. I thought it would be something like the Re:Coded cinematics' short (somewhat random) secret ending, but this was much more on point. Especially that Maleficent part. Good gosh, I didn't see that coming at all!
I'm reminded of when Narissa goes to the real world in "Enchanted", but it's in reverse with KH Maleficent (she came from a more realistic world and has now entered a cartoony one);) Or closer yet: it's like the ending of the Daenerys vs. Maleficent rap battle on YouTube!
And if this does end up explaining why Sora was held up at the end of DDD, it's going to be the best revelation ever. As long as you're okay, Sora, I'll be psyched about what you were maybe doing at the end of DDD.
...Though I do think whoever said a few pages back, that the games are (once again) getting further and further away from the one console thing was absolutely right--because now I'm thinking this is why Nomura thinks people who just jump into III and don't play II.8 first will be confused as to why you're starting off with Sora where you are. He's going to be in sleeping Daybreak Town, isn't he?
Also, if we could somehow get Daybreak Town as a hub world in Kingdom Hearts III, I wouldn't complain at all. Just sayin'.
I'm confused by what's going on with Player and Chirithy, though. It seems to me that maybe Chirithy does remember what happened, but is keeping his and Player's recollections of it a secret to protect Player? Maybe Player's mind repressed the memories, or maybe something bigger is going on here?
But I am just so glad to have a one-hundred percent confirmation that Player survived (and that they're with Chirithy and will hopefully find Ephemer and Skuld soon-ish, who are probably already awake). Woot! Now I can sleep well again;) That uncertainty hanging over my head was killing me.
So do you guys think we'll be getting the other Princess' worlds now (Aurora's already confirmed, but maybe Cinderella's and something even akin to Kairi's?).
And I'm curious about just how Maleficent will effect things in this (the wait to find out more now is going to kill me!), because unlike what happened in Chi, we're now going to have someone from the future actively trying to change things to meet her own ends. So maybe the new Disney worlds in the game from this point on will even less so follow their movie script, if Maleficent gets meddling.
I'm stoked. It's looking like Maleficent's going to be our big bad for Unchained Key part 2. And who knows? Maybe she'll even team up with Nightmare Chirithy, who we're guaranteed to run into again.
In any case, I can't wait for more info. Ahh! I thought I'd be able to wait and just play the rest of the story in my version of Unchained Key, but now there's no way I'm going to be able to resist spoilers when the Japanese version of the game updates past this point. Oh well.
Totally called the "Reconnect. Kingdom Hearts thing", and that it would somehow tie into Sora. But I'm totally not tooting my own horn here, because that was pretty easy to guess.
And the Dandelions are totally the missing Keyblade wielders that Riku and Mickey will be looking for in III, I'm calling it now. (Which might mean I might take back what I said earlier in this post about Sora being involved in that stuff, but we'll see.)
ANYWAY
@Sign Don't worry about not leaving the "a" off of Ephemer's name. It makes your videos more consistent that way. You can just post in the video description (if you haven't already) that his name is actually Ephemer?
@Chaser And oh my gosh, that's so cute that you wake up to Chirithy with you every morning. LOL.
Why does everything smell like copper?
Next revelation: All the Dandelions are within Sora's heart. Hahahahaha.
Anyway, I have to admit, this is throwing us into quite a loop. I am curious on the significance of the "Player" and how they will be represented in Back Cover or KH3 if they do end up appearing. Unless, the player becomes Sora...again, to my revelation statement, hahaha. Sigh, is it December yet?
Next revelation: All the Dandelions are within Sora's heart. Hahahahaha.
the worst part is that nomura could pull it off
AAH WHAT WE'RE ALIVE?! AAH WE'RE IN ENCHANTED DOMINION! AAH DREAMS! AAH MALEFICENT! AAH SHE'S RELEVANT AGAIN! AAH RECONNECT! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!
Huh, so I guess we don't die? XD Well that's good I guess... and now we're transported to the current timeline I guess?
I wonder, will they use a default Avatar for the Player if we get important in the story, or will we be able to "recreate" them in KH3/BC? As in, CaC. (i think it's not really likely, but who knows)
Yeah I'm also really wondering how they'll treat the whole Player thing. A multiverse could explain the Player being all the players, everybody's games are in different realities. But since it doens't seem like KH has anything like that going on as far as we know, there's probably just that one character. Unless there's some seriously weird meta stuff going on and all the participants of the war actually thought they were the "chosen one", like we all did while playing the game and all befriended/saw Ephemera and are all sleeping/repeating the dream with their Chrithy, or something else as convoluted as that. It would be unnecessary but I honestly wouldn't put it past Nomura. He kind of has a habit of making difficult explanations for things that didn't necessarily need one at all. Other game mechanics have been put into the story too (guilt), so it's possible they would also use the fact that we're all "the Player" somehow.
I think Player's gonna have to wind up having a canon design eventually. They're becoming too important to not show up, or at least be referred to, in the future.
Still loosely holding onto turning into Ventus
I'd also like to point out those volumes we were moving around in Hollow Bastion in KH1 to get the secret passages to work. I think some KH players have gone back and noted there were five of those there.
Those volumes were each part of a set. The puzzle was matching them to the set they belonged to.
I am actually against Multiverse. Mutliverse can sometimes be so confusing to many, especially with how the things are in KH. lol
Also, even if Maleficent used Xehanorts technique (which I don't think she did), she wouldn't be able to change history.
Ehh, if you do something, you gotta do it right. I'm ready for the brainfuck Nomura!
You do not need to actually change the past in order to get enough ammunition to manipulate events and people in the present so that you can bring about a future you desire. What do you think Xehanort is doing this whole time and what the primary motivation of his character is?
Knowledge is power and Xehanort knows much more than any average Keyblade Master should know. The ability to relive the past in a sort of live-action cinema in itself thus already holds considerable power by itself without the ability to change anything in the past itself.
Nomura actually alluded to this with the example of why Xehanort/Ansem SoD even became interested in Riku in the first place, because he might have had access to some of Terra's memories and thus knew that in the past Terra bequeathed the Keyblade wielding ability upon Riku.
In the KH 2 Final Mix exclusive scenes when Xigbar, Zexion and Vexen are talking about the Chamber of Repose and that Xemnas apparently is sleeping inside it. The implications that he was furthering further Nort-agenda in these "sessions" in the chamber are certainly there.
Possibly, both Yen Sid and Merlin are very powerful sorcerers and may thus have abilities in this area that go beyond what a "normal" Keybearer might be capable of.
There are several candidates, ranging from one of the Foretellers over Luxu or the MoM, possibly even Ephemer or Skuld.
The "why" is a tricky question that can have several possible answers as is the one what Keyblade was used.
Of course it is also possible that TWTNW is actually the Nobody of Daybreak Town (worlds do have hearts as well), which means there would be also the need for a "Heartless" of that world's heart.
As far as we know there isn't any possibility for a "multiverse" or alternating timelines, which is a lucky thing as keeping track of the twists and connections is already much work just with one timeline at hand!
You know, I've never quit understood how it works. You must learn your history, otherwise you're doomed to repeat. Yeah I know that kind of stuff, but affect people hundreds of years later with something you learned in history class? I've never understood it...
Isn't that just coincidence because Xehanort happend to take over Terra's body. And a few days earlier Terra happend to make a successor? Also what? I thought the memories were supposed to be with the Nobodies.
The End of the World could be it's Heartless. Or actually EotW is a mash up of all the Heartless of the Worlds, so it should be around there.
Haha, true and we probably won't get it this saga, but if Nomura wants to go deeper in time travel he will have to use the Multiverse eventually.
Why does everything smell like copper?
Next revelation: All the Dandelions are within Sora's heart. Hahahahaha.
Anyway, I have to admit, this is throwing us into quite a loop. I am curious on the significance of the "Player" and how they will be represented in Back Cover or KH3 if they do end up appearing. Unless, the player becomes Sora...again, to my revelation statement, hahaha. Sigh, is it December yet?
Well he is the Key that connects us all. It's a possiblity.
Skuld and Ephemer will probably appear, Player dies at the end of Unchained X (or maybe in a season 3 of X?) and Skuld and Ephemer will make a refernce to us at best.
AAH WHAT WE'RE ALIVE?! AAH WE'RE IN ENCHANTED DOMINION! AAH DREAMS! AAH MALEFICENT! AAH SHE'S RELEVANT AGAIN! AAH RECONNECT! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!
That's a bit too accurate for my liking. I like it (wait what?)
I'm going to be so excited to see the new and pretty places that the developers have in store for us in Enchanted Dominion now. ^_^
And does anyone else think the opening scene (to S2) with Chirithy and Player is akin to the Sora and Kairi opening in 1? (In that Sora and Player both wake up after having weird dreams that they were sure happened--but with Player it's of the past and with Sora it was almost premonitions of the future--with someone telling them it was just a dream.)
I was going to ask if you guys if you thought that the Chirithy we saw could be Nightmare Chirithy. Perhaps if it was, he wouldn't look like his new, true self because he hadn't looked like that in this point in the world yet?
But then I realized that this is after Chi and everyone knew about Nightmare Chirithy before they learned about the Dandelions (which is apparently the last thing Player and Chirithy think really happened), so that theory is off the table now. LOL.
In any case, I'm sure we'll run into Nightmare Chirithy again, but he'll look the same way he did when we saw him last and won't be able to fool us (like I had been theorizing about).
Haha, true and we probably won't get it this saga, but if Nomura wants to go deeper in time travel he will have to use the Multiverse eventually.
Not… really? Why would he have to use Multiverse? I'm sure he could work around it, given the brainfucks in the past, lol.
Tbh, we can expect literally anything.
[strike]watch kh: vcast become canon[/strike]
Not… really? Why would he have to use Multiverse? I'm sure he could work around it, given the brainfucks in the past, lol.
Tbh, we can expect literally anything.
[strike]watch kh: vcast become canon[/strike]
So he can prevent the other brainfucks of course xD. Atleast most of us are a bit familiar with the Multiverse concept.
Anything you say? *starts hoping for Dragons and Lazer Shooting Ponies (Unicorns are fine too)*
Whats KH: Vcast? Is it something I should know as a hardcore fan?
I feel like the significance of the player is... very little.
You know, I recently discovered the XIV End of an Era/Flames of Truth epic cutscenes and aren't the models they created in those cutscenes supposed to be the generic classes? The player, while not important, could also just be a generic model like those guys. Though, for generic characters, SE put some effort into making them look unique and like actual players... I think? I'm sure they have a clue with [chi] as well because of the blue bunny friend and pumpkin head friend
So he can prevent the other braindiddlys of course xD. Atleast most of us are a bit familiar with the Multiverse concept.
Eh, doesn't mean 80% of the fanbase will freak out again.
Whats KH: Vcast? Is it something I should know as a hardcore fan? |
V Cast is a game created by Disney for the… V Cast. It's non-canon and really shitty, looks like its budget was 60
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Eh, doesn't mean 80% of the fanbase will freak out again.
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Only 80% freaked out last time? Woah, that's actually a pretty good score.
Never heard of this V Cast.
Here's a possibility; Cell phones CAN link to a PS4. What if..they add a feature where you can port your avatar over there for the Player?
Also I know you can link a phone to Windows 10 too though Cortana; that means XBOX ONE too since they both use that operating system. So there's a chance we could bring our player chara into KH3.
Whats KH: Vcast? Is it something I should know as a hardcore fan?
It's the objective best KH game and you're a terrible fan if you've never played it.
Just kidding it's trash
Only 80% freaked out last time? Woah, that's actually a pretty good score.
Not really.
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It's good that way. It is really dishonoring
Never heard of this V Cast.
Almost no one played it and it ends with Goofy's head on fire.
Only a hand-full of people played it and it ends with Goofy's head on fire.
that's the only good part
[spoiler= a true kh game]
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Here's a possibility; Cell phones CAN link to a PS4. What if..they add a feature where you can port your avatar over there for the Player?
Also I know you can link a phone to Windows 10 too though Cortana; that means XBOX ONE too since they both use that operating system. So there's a chance we could bring our player chara into KH3.
But they would have to code every costume part in 3D for that. That's alot of work and they won't do that. Only the standard costumes at best I think.
It's the objective best KH game and you're a terrible fan if you've never played it.
Just kidding it's trash
:O NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (wait, I have that button somewhere...)
Not really.
It's good that way. It is really dishonoring
Rip.
Yeah, I did a quick search, man everyone is negative about it. It even sounds and looks terrible. But now I'm curious how to exclusive characters and worlds look :/
It's a game from eons ago that Square Enix had no involvement in, for the V-Cast phone. The game was simply called "Kingdom Hearts" so we call this game "V-Cast".
Almost no one played it and it ends with Goofy's head on fire.
Haha, yeah I read that. And Goofy and Donald went indeed mis- wait what?
that's the only good part
[spoiler= a true kh game]
[/spoiler]Yep, looks terrible. I like pirates though.
I'm still trying to make sense of the internal timeline here. The special episode is titled "Unchained 0[Zero]", so I guess it should play before Unchained, making it an actual continuation of χ[chi], not a split.
Still Unchained also starts with the Awakening, whereas the scene is actually called "My heart leads to you" (キミを導く心) in χ[chi] while the post-game scene is called "Awakening" (目覚め).
Is this really some sort of loop or is it something different? Chirithy is not concerned in the slightest, so was the "final episode" real or not?
The moment you think you have a grasp on these concept they seem to change into something different.
I'm still trying to make sense of the internal timeline here. The special episode is titled "Unchained 0[Zero]", so I guess it should play before Unchained, making it an actual continuation of χ[chi], not a split.
Still Unchained also starts with the Awakening, whereas the scene is actually called "My heart leads to you" (キミを導く心) in χ[chi] while the post-game scene is called "Awakening" (目覚め).
Is this really some sort of loop or is it something different? Chirithy is not concerned in the slightest, so was the "final episode" real or not?
The moment you think you have a grasp on these concept they seem to change into something different.
Perhaps "Unchained 0" refers that, before awakening, the player experienced the original KHx. As to when he awakened, he is either going to experience his first Unchained (first layer of the dream), or he has already experienced various Unchaineds.
i have a theroy remember how nomura said maoster of master can see in the future what if chritihy was created with the power to see in thefutre and when the player fall we were seeing the seeing of might happened
I think the timeline goes like this:
[Chi] = The actual events that happened, not a dream (most likely)
Unchained = A repeat of the actual events that happened in a dream (most likely) OR an attempt to move [Chi] to mobile devices, making it not a dream
Season 2 = After repeating the events of [Chi] many times over, player character gets closer to becoming "unchained", hence a whole new batch of worlds, such as Enchanting Dominion
I'm still trying to make sense of the internal timeline here. The special episode is titled "Unchained 0[Zero]", so I guess it should play before Unchained, making it an actual continuation of χ[chi], not a split.
Still Unchained also starts with the Awakening, whereas the scene is actually called "My heart leads to you" (キミを導く心) in χ[chi] while the post-game scene is called "Awakening" (目覚め).
Is this really some sort of loop or is it something different? Chirithy is not concerned in the slightest, so was the "final episode" real or not?
The moment you think you have a grasp on these concept they seem to change into something different.
Well, Sleeping Worlds do "loop," so perhaps χ[chi] is the "base loop" of the world's dream (maybe altered slightly from the true events due to Dream Eaters and other unchained individuals like Ephemera and maybe Ava), and Unchained 0[ZERO] is the result of Player finally achieving the state of being unchained, which Ava had speculated they might have been close to earlier.
I just realized something that's obvious, but that I didn't think about until now: the Foretellers probably aren't going to be in S2 at all, are they? That's going to be so weird.
Why will we even bother to try and compete to collect Lux... if we even do that in S2, but if not I feel like Unchained Key S2's going to be a lot different than what we're used to gameplay mechanic-wise.
[strike]Though tbh, I really don't think the Foretellers are dead. I think they're the Lost Masters that young Xehanort is talking about in the III trailers, but I don't want to think about that just now.[/strike]
I'm still trying to make sense of the internal timeline here. The special episode is titled "Unchained 0[Zero]", so I guess it should play before Unchained, making it an actual continuation of χ[chi], not a split.
Still Unchained also starts with the Awakening, whereas the scene is actually called "My heart leads to you" (キミを導く心) in χ[chi] while the post-game scene is called "Awakening" (目覚め).
Is this really some sort of loop or is it something different? Chirithy is not concerned in the slightest, so was the "final episode" real or not?
The moment you think you have a grasp on these concept they seem to change into something different.
But doesn't Unchained technically start after the Keyblade War?
I just realized something that's obvious, but that I didn't think about until now: the Foretellers probably aren't going to be in S2 at all, are they? That's going to be so weird.
Why will we even bother to try and compete to collect Lux... if we even do that in S2, but if not I feel like Unchained Key S2's going to be a lot different than what we're used to gameplay mechanic-wise.
[strike]Though tbh, I really don't think the Foretellers are dead. I think they're the Lost Masters that young Xehanort is talking about in the III trailers, but I don't want to think about that just now.[/strike]
Well gameplay wise Lux was only important for the rankings, and in Ux for our level. They can easily replace that. And I think that Chirithy automatically collects our Lux anyway so it doesn't matter that much.
Some other questoins about V-Cast though. So no one has the full game as of yet? Like all 4 worlds. And there is no emulator to play it on?
You know I've been working on a theory for awhile now, on a phone so it's limited in type but I think that the best way to maybe think of all this is picture the story as...well a literal story l. There is all this talk of how there is this single timeline that can't be changed, all these vague lines of "people who were never meant to meet, even the corridors of darkness work of this vague logic of "only those who have fallen off their paths may use them." It seems messy and complex but if you think of the series as having been taking place in a book it makes more sense. With a book there is an intended ending, there is only one path the story will ultimately take. Every character has a role to play and that is just how it is. As a result stories often bend themselves to serve those characters at times even giving them plot armor. I think this fits what Xehanort has been saying, they are all characters playing out their roles marching to the end of their own tale.
Now as for how this fits into chi it's simple. Think about the events we saw, isn't it odd that say snow white's world was summoned and yet totally devoid of TAV? I mean if these really are summoned from the book entries why are all our critical heroes missing? My theory is this was how the story for that world was meant to go. That originally the story was meant to go just like the movie but then we interfered, changing events but never outcomes. I think things like keyblade and corridors of darkness are kind of like cheats. They let the characters leave their own tales/chapters and jump to different pages where they were never meant to be. That is to say that the series right now is a sandbox, all the contents of the book are shuffled around into one big melting pot. A bunch of scaterred story links disconnected doing their own thing. Like jimminy's journal while the links of memory were unchained the contents were living their own lives, the entry on Sora's heartless for example became sentient and a massively dangerous villain that seemed to escape the confines of its book.
Now think of dwarf woodlands we know 3 ways the story has gone. The Classic Disney movie version, the version where TAV interferes, and the version where the chi player interferes. BUT no matter how things changed the same events always played out. Snow White meets the dwarves, falls asleep, wicked witch dies, and the prince awakens Snow White. I think that is what Xehanort meant by "you can't change the events destined to happen". Basically Xehanort can mess around time all he likes, he can do whatever he wants, and time will adjust itself to make sure that the destined events still happen. That's why he can earnestly say he can't be blamed for TAV's fates, time would of made sure it happened regardless his involvement, he just took advantage of that fact.
Now this is how chi comes in, there had to be a starting point. A spot where the links of their story was broken leaving the characters free to do their own thing. I think that is what unchained means, we're going to see how the series as whole became unchained. Reconnect kingdom hearts I believe refers to KH3 is going to have us reconnect the story so everything returns to how it was meant to be. Or in other words we will free the series from being Xehanort's personal sandbox/fanfiction. The closing of the Xehanort saga wil be literal.
Wait wait wait so now we have multiple branching timelines too?
ohhhh nonono I am so lost.
I think he's trying to suggest that KH is a storybook and that Xehanort is aware.
More like their universe is structured like a story book, it's not a literal book but it's rules are in line with how a story book works and yes Xehanort is self aware of this.
Sleep based magic is kinda sorta Maleficent's specialty, what with the spinning wheels & all that jazz. Her in the RoS is like putting Luxord in Castle Oblivion: OP AF.
& she's so showing up Xehanort here: Xehanort spends a decade putting together the most batshit convoluted plan just for the sake of recreating the Keyblade War on a significantly smaller scale & Maleficent's all like "oh yeah, I spent like a week looking for this book at the library & now I have access to like several million survivors from the actual war. Some of them dress in snowman costumes & have names like Xxbutgod69xX but there're the genuine articles nonetheless."
Step your game up Nortty.
Sleep based magic is kinda sorta Maleficent's specialty, what with the spinning wheels & all that jazz. Her in the RoS is like putting Luxord in Castle Oblivion: OP AF.
& she's so showing up Xehanort here: Xehanort spends a decade putting together the most batshit convoluted plan just for the sake of recreating the Keyblade War on a significantly smaller scale & Maleficent's all like "oh yeah, I spent like a week looking for this book at the library & now I have access to like several million survivors from the actual war. Some of them dress in snowman costumes & have names like Xxbutgod69xX but there're the genuine articles nonetheless."
Step your game up Nortty.
:biggrin: ROFL This needs to happen. I'm so excited that Maleficent is relevant again. It would be freaking hilarious if she just said all this to Xehanort's face. And imagine Xehanort's reaction when she's says to "step up your game" LOL.
Gosh that ending is intriguing! The story could go so many different ways at this point! This has made me more motivated to continue through the campaign of Unchained X.
I'm sorry if it's already been said, but what if X and UX diverge before the war. And in UX, instead of the war, you get assigned on more missions, as if the war didn't happen, but you still have dreams of the war. So UX is the dream world where you dream about what really happened. So basically, that short episode is really a clip from UX so when we get there in UX, we know where it falls in the original X timeline?
I'm sorry if it's already been said, but what if X and UX diverge before the war. And in UX, instead of the war, you get assigned on more missions, as if the war didn't happen, but you still have dreams of the war. So UX is the dream world where you dream about what really happened. So basically, that short episode is really a clip from UX so when we get there in UX, we know where it falls in the original X timeline?
Sora? So is the Player in an illusion still of the future? Or is this taking place during Sora's adventures?
But then they can never meet, or if they do it is still an illusion.
could the scene where the player decline intervation to be a dandlion be the split nomura was talking about we going to see in unachaed x
Holy crap, what a curveball. The best plot twist in the KH series in my humble opinion.
So what I imagine happened is that the Dandelions were taking shelter inside the Book of Prophecies itself. That's how they survived the apocalypse, because the book did. After the apocalypse they all left. Skuld and Ephemera still saw that their friend was mortally wounded and couldn't be taken outside the stasis of the Book of Prophecies. They left him in there to heal, and possibly sleep in peace for eternity after all he did. (Although one or both could have very well have stayed behind to watch over him... I'm just assuming the former because he was alone aside from Chirithy when he woke up. Hopefully Skuld, simply because Ephemera is supposed to be the leader of the Dandelions, right? Hopefully he wouldn't shirk his duties.)
And there he slept... until Maleficent kicked in the door to the Book of Prophecies. The Player is now awake. He doesn't know that the most blatantly dark being he'll have ever seen face to face is in the Book with him. Doubtful he even knows he's in the book unless Chirithy tells him. And Maleficent, in turn, has no idea that a hundred million year old Keyblade Wielder is inside the book with her, and able to stop her in Sora's place since she seems so confident he can't follow her.
One thing is for sure: It's Maleficent time. She is officially Priority One and Xehanort's on the back burner. Because Xehanort needs seven of us to fight them to complete the X Blade. If we don't fight, no X Blade, at which point he has to go find the Princesses and threaten to fight them instead, which would take time. HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE HIS THIRTEENTH SEAT FILLED.
Maleficent, on the other hand, has the Book of Prophecies. She HAS it. NOW. If she figures out how to draw power from characters in the tome like we've been doing... holy shit. Even if Xehanort gets ahold of the X Blade, if she figures out how to use the Book, SHE COULD USE IT TO USE THE POWER OF XEHANORT WITH THE X BLADE FOR HERSELF. She could actually use the book to counter an X Blade wielding Xehanort!
Again. Forget Xehanort for now. At long last, it's Maleficent time. And if the Player doesn't figure out exactly who is in there with him and stop her... I truly believe only someone with the all powerful X Blade would be able to stop her.
Holy **** Maleficent. I love you for taking the spotlight back, but calm down.
could the scene where the player decline intervation to be a dandlion be the split nomura was talking about we going to see in unachaed x
I assume so. Perhaps the Player broke free but is trapped in Sleeping Worlds, so they have to look for Ephemera and Skuld. And maybe that is what KHUX is going to be about, then in KH3 the Trio gets freed and aids Sora and Co. in the fight angst Xehanort.
Holy crap, what a curveball. The best plot twist in the KH series in my humble opinion.
So what I imagine happened is that the Dandelions were taking shelter inside the Book of Prophecies itself. That's how they survived the apocalypse, because the book did. After the apocalypse they all left. Skuld and Ephemera still saw that their friend was mortally wounded and couldn't be taken outside the stasis of the Book of Prophecies. They left him in there to heal, and possibly sleep in peace for eternity after all he did. (Although one or both could have very well have stayed behind to watch over him... I'm just assuming the former because he was alone aside from Chirithy when he woke up. Hopefully Skuld, simply because Ephemera is supposed to be the leader of the Dandelions, right? Hopefully he wouldn't shirk his duties.)
And there he slept... until Maleficent kicked in the door to the Book of Prophecies. The Player is now awake. He doesn't know that the most blatantly dark being he'll have ever seen face to face is in the Book with him. Doubtful he even knows he's in the book unless Chirithy tells him. And Maleficent, in turn, has no idea that a hundred million year old Keyblade Wielder is inside the book with her, and able to stop her in Sora's place since she seems so confident he can't follow her.
One thing is for sure: It's Maleficent time. She is officially Priority One and Xehanort's on the back burner. Because Xehanort needs seven of us to fight them to complete the X Blade. If we don't fight, no X Blade, at which point he has to go find the Princesses and threaten to fight them instead, which would take time. HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE HIS THIRTEENTH SEAT FILLED.
Maleficent, on the other hand, has the Book of Prophecies. She HAS it. NOW. If she figures out how to draw power from characters in the tome like we've been doing... holy shit. Even if Xehanort gets ahold of the X Blade, if she figures out how to use the Book, SHE COULD USE IT TO USE THE POWER OF XEHANORT WITH THE X BLADE FOR HERSELF. She could actually use the book to counter an X Blade wielding Xehanort!
Again. Forget Xehanort for now. At long last, it's Maleficent time. And if the Player doesn't figure out exactly who is in there with him and stop her... I truly believe only someone with the all powerful X Blade would be able to stop her.
Holy **** Maleficent. I love you for taking the spotlight back, but calm down.
I am still going with the theory that they all lived in the RoS, so the Player is in present day but in the RoS. We may get an official gender, name, and appearance for the Player soon?
@gosoxtim I really hope not:/ We really don't need alternate universes in KH, or for the Keyblade War that we saw to just be a dream or psychic premonition about it.
Player would be the PERFECT way to see both the sides of being a fighter and a Dandelion--as someone who was chosen by Ava, but actually fought in the war before then joining the Unchained realm. If that was changed it would be really stupid and hurt the overall story, imo.
If Nomura does want it to diverge some, so that we can know what was going behind the scenes at times, just give us Ephemer and Skuld PoV scenes. We don't need to change everything that the Player did to accomplish seeing those things.
I'm really just hoping that Player repressed the memories, and Chirithy's lying for you (or maybe he also repressed it). Or that there are some memory shenanigans going on. IDK.
@gosoxtim I really hope not:/ We really don't need alternate universes in KH, or for the Keyblade War that we saw to just be a dream or psychic premonition about it.
Player would be the PERFECT way to see both the sides of being a fighter and a Dandelion--as someone who was chosen by Ava, but actually fought in the war before then joining the Unchained realm. If that was changed it would be really stupid and hurt the overall story, imo.
If Nomura does want it to diverge some, so that we can know what was going behind the scenes at times, just give us Ephemer and Skuld PoV scenes. We don't need to change everything that the Player did to accomplish seeing those things.
I'm really just hoping that Player repressed the memories, and Chirithy's lying for you (or maybe he also repressed it). Or that there are some memory shenanigans going on. IDK.
@gosoxtim I really hope not:/ We really don't need alternate universes in KH, or for the Keyblade War that we saw to just be a dream or psychic premonition about it.
Player would be the PERFECT way to see both the sides of being a fighter and a Dandelion--as someone who was chosen by Ava, but actually fought in the war before then joining the Unchained realm. If that was changed it would be really stupid and hurt the overall story, imo.
If Nomura does want it to diverge some, so that we can know what was going behind the scenes at times, just give us Ephemer and Skuld PoV scenes. We don't need to change everything that the Player did to accomplish seeing those things.
I'm really just hoping that Player repressed the memories, and Chirithy's lying for you (or maybe he also repressed it). Or that there are some memory shenanigans going on. IDK.
Oh god CoM all over again...
Luxu, that's perfectly possible. For all we know the Realm of Sleep is the hollow realm where the World once lived, and what we call the Realm of Light is the rebuilt world.
*PHEW* I finally completed that movie I was so eager to make.
So, is guilting not going to be a thing anymore in Unchained Key S2? Story wise, it probably shouldn't be. But I really hope they wouldn't make us unable to use our guilted medals entirely.
Like, making new medals that show up in S2 impossible to guilt would be one thing (provided that enemies aren't so strong that you'd absolutely need to use guilt), but here's hoping they won't go more extreme than that.
Though tbh, I can't imagine them making any changes to the gameplay at all.
Who knows? Maybe Nightmare Chirithy will show up and there will be a story reason that you can't stop using guilted medals. Like, you're linked to him--or something--and in order to get stronger, he compels you to guilt/use guilted medals and you can't resist that pull even if you want to.
So, is guilting not going to be a thing anymore in Unchained Key S2? Story wise, it probably shouldn't be. But I really hope they wouldn't make us unable to use our guilted medals entirely.
Like, making new medals that show up in S2 impossible to guilt would be one thing (provided that enemies aren't so strong that you'd absolutely need to use guilt), but here's hoping they won't go more extreme than that.
Though tbh, I can't imagine them making any changes to the gameplay at all.
Who knows? Maybe Nightmare Chirithy will show up and there will be a story reason that you can't stop using guilted medals. Like, you're linked to him--or something--and in order to get stronger, he compels you to guilt/use guilted medals and you can't resist that pull even if you want to.
I still don't think there is going to be a split, to be honest. I think it's that we just don't want to remember. Player seemed so traumatized during everything that happened in the Keyblade Graveyard, and who can really blame them? But in any case, I do know we'll be seeing Nightmare Chirithy again one way or another:)
Also, anyone else get the feeling that Pete maybe ran into Player and Chirithy on those two's way "home", and a fight broke out and that's why he's late getting back to Maleficent?
[strike]I'm also again, for whatever reason, thinking that Player could be Sora.[/strike]
I still don't think there is going to be a split, to be honest. I think it's that we just don't want to remember. Player seemed so traumatized during everything that happened in the Keyblade Graveyard, and who can really blame them? But in any case, I do know we'll be seeing Nightmare Chirithy again one way or another:)
there going to be split where we like it or not
| Nomura: I've just finished writing the scenario. After a mad scramble every day (dry laugh). Up until now, what amounts to one scenario has been being released divided into two.The final chapter will be composed of two separate installments, a first and second half, and has been from the start. The split with KH Unchained χ is coming soon, too. |
unless he means after season one of kingdom unchained x kind of split then it would make sense to even have a split
Why are they making it even more complicated...
Why are they making it even more complicated...
Hello, my name is Kingdom Hearts, how are you?
@gosoxtim Yeah, I'm pretty sure he means the split is that KH Chi will end (which it just did), and once Unchained Key catches up to that point it'll continue further on than Chi did with the S2 segment--after the player was saved at the end of Chi and taken to the Sleeping Realm, that is.
Are we even going to be using medals anymore? Because if we fight real Heartless/Nobodies (Please add Nobodies into this game)/Dream Eaters. Our medals would have little to no effect since they aren't foes from the Book. I mean, unless the "Medals" are now just metaphors for our moves now...
And maybe, Chiritys are special because of the "unique" way they are made? Maybe they are the only Dream Eaters that can exist in all realms
unchained x will contunie like the split will happen and x will ocntuine along it timeline without the player being involved in it and the dreams that player had are the future preotions made form chiritity that originaly came from the master of masters so he doesn't interfree with his plans
unchained x will contunie like the split will happen and x will ocntuine along it timeline without the player being involved in it and the dreams that player had are the future preotions made form chiritity that originaly came from the master of masters so he doesn't interfree with his plans
Every event keeps screwing our Player over. They STILL have yet to reunite with Skuld and Ephemera fully! And what is going to be the hub now? After whatever happened to Daybreak Town
Every event keeps screwing our Player over. They STILL have yet to reunite with Skuld and Ephemera fully! And what is going to be the hub now? After whatever happened to Daybreak Town
unchained x will contunie like the split will happen and x will ocntuine along it timeline without the player being involved in it and the dreams that player had are the future preotions made form chiritity that originaly came from the master of masters so he doesn't interfree with his plans
Tim, it is REALLY difficult trying to figure out what you're saying. Please at least try to write better.
Tim, it is REALLY difficult trying to figure out what you're saying. Please at least try to write better.
also i believe he became unchained dandlion when he feel asleep when he was looking for his friends
@Luxu Riku was a Dream Eater and was able to go back into the Realm of Light (and into the Realm of Nothingness via TWTNW) in DDD, remember? So I don't think Dream Eaters are bound to the Realm of Sleep, necessarily.
@Luxu Riku was a Dream Eater and was able to go back into the Realm of Light (and into the Realm of Nothingness via TWTNW) in DDD, remember? So I don't think Dream Eaters are bound to the Realm of Sleep, necessarily.
I may be wrong, but I feel like Riku was only a Dream Eater while being within dreams. Is there any point when he leaves the RoS and still has the Dream Eater emblem on his back?
I may be wrong, but I feel like Riku was only a Dream Eater while being within dreams. Is there any point when he leaves the RoS and still has the Dream Eater emblem on his back?
"I know I'm in the real world, but I still have my Dream Eater powers." -Riku, still de-aged and with the DE emblem
"I know I'm in the real world, but I still have my Dream Eater powers." -Riku, still de-aged and with the DE emblem
Ahhh yes, that's right, thanks.
Hm. So then, while they may not be permanently bound to the RoS, that leaves the question of under what conditions can they get out. How did Riku pull that off? Did it involve Keyblade shenanigans? Despite being a big fan of DDD, my memory is crazy hazy on a fair few details.
Bringing this detail up also makes me realize that this makes chi[x] being in the RoS an even shakier idea, or at the very least, if it is a dream, the real version of the events we're seeing could still have been preeetty close to how we see it. That is to say, Chirithies could have indeed been involved in the "original event". Which is...adorable. Makes me smile.
Ahhh yes, that's right, thanks.
Hm. So then, while they may not be permanently bound to the RoS, that leaves the question of under what conditions can they get out. How did Riku pull that off? Did it involve Keyblade shenanigans? Despite being a big fan of DDD, my memory is crazy hazy on a fair few details.
Bringing this detail up also makes me realize that this makes chi[x] being in the RoS an even shakier idea, or at the very least, if it is a dream, the real version of the events we're seeing could still have been preeetty close to how we see it. That is to say, Chirithies could have indeed been involved in the "original event". Which is...adorable. Makes me smile.
Riku devoured the dream he was in after defeating Ansem, which left him in the real world. It should be noted that Riku's Komory Bat and (presumably Sora's) Meow Wow, along with any other Spirit in Riku's party, was able to manifest in the real world too.
I get the feeling that DE's can't appear in the real world on their own. They probably need an entity like Riku to use as a sort of portal.
Ahhh yes, that's right, thanks.
Hm. So then, while they may not be permanently bound to the RoS, that leaves the question of under what conditions can they get out. How did Riku pull that off? Did it involve Keyblade shenanigans? Despite being a big fan of DDD, my memory is crazy hazy on a fair few details.
Bringing this detail up also makes me realize that this makes chi[x] being in the RoS an even shakier idea, or at the very least, if it is a dream, the real version of the events we're seeing could still have been preeetty close to how we see it. That is to say, Chirithies could have indeed been involved in the "original event". Which is...adorable. Makes me smile.
Well, I mean. All worlds and realms are one doing Chi right? And all Chirithies are made an "odd" way, that being from the MoM himself not from actual dreams. So I think they can exist in all Realms, kinda like how Riku became a dream eater and still had the emblem. It might be hinting at Chirirties existing in all Realms they want, also because Chi. Like how Ava had one following her around in the trailer, or the Player's Chirity.
I am also glad that the Daybreak Trio is going to be relevant to the story.
And yes they are a trio, they have united
Riku devoured the dream he was in after defeating Ansem, which left him in the real world. It should be noted that Riku's Komory Bat and (presumably Sora's) Meow Wow, along with any other Spirit in Riku's party, was able to manifest in the real world too.
I get the feeling that DE's can't appear in the real world on their own. They probably need an entity like Riku to use as a sort of portal.
I see, I see. And right, when you mentioned that scene, I had the memory of those two showing up pop into my head. I likewise was thinking those partner DE's only appeared with Riku as a sort of conduit, since they were maybe acting like extra partners (assuming they were not the partners Riku was already using in-game...that blurring line between gameplay mechanics and canon, though).
So, perhaps a Chirithy could exist outside the RoS with a Player as a conduit, or for that matter, the Chirithy describes itself as being created by the MoM, no? Then perhaps the MoM acts in a similar manner somehow, who knows?
So, perhaps a Chirithy could exist outside the RoS with a Player as a conduit, or for that matter, the Chirithy describes itself as being created by the MoM, no? Then perhaps the MoM acts in a similar manner somehow, who knows?
When you mention that, the Player's Chirithy is quite unique in a way. For whatever reason it gets payed attention to by the Player's Foreteller. And I doubt they walk around talking to every "Player's" Chirithy.
It also seems a lot more truth seeking, but they are made to contrast with their Player's personality.
Well, I mean. All worlds and realms are one doing Chi right? And all Chirithies are made an "odd" way, that being from the MoM himself not from actual dreams.
Um, we never are told they’re not made from actual dreams, just an implication that the MoM made them, and he maybe does so in a flask (it’s unclear if this is just metaphorical imagery or literal). Just look at DDD’s gameplay, we synthesize Dream Eaters. MoM could have done the same, tossing some dream pieces into a flask.
And you know what, I’m not sure we know that all the Realms are one, that is pretty unclear. The most we’ve gotten is that the previous world was almost swallowed by Darkness, and the tiny remnants became what we know as the Realm of Light; this does nothing to presuppose there was no Realm of Darkness already out there, simply that the RoL was...not the same as it is now.
| And yes they are a trio, they have united |
Er...sorry? I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here.
When you mention that, the Player's Chirithy is quite unique in a way. For whatever reason it gets payed attention to by the Player's Foreteller. And I doubt they walk around talking to every "Player's" Chirithy.
This is actually interesting. I wonder, if they do.
Um, we never are told they’re not made from actual dreams, just an implication that the MoM made them, and he maybe does so in a flask (it’s unclear if this is just metaphorical imagery or literal). Just look at DDD’s gameplay, we synthesize Dream Eaters. MoM could have done the same, tossing some dream pieces into a flask.
Throw them into a blender, add some spice, some pepper, cook them to 360 C, and you make a Dream Eater (Please note, if cooked to long the Dream Eater becomes defective)
| This is actually interesting. I wonder, if they do. |
I wonder, if its made to be the Player's Foreteller's Chirithy. Considering they walked up with them, but they never mention it so.
(Please note, if cooked to long the Dream Eater becomes defective)
Are you saying this is why Nightmares generally have a darker color? They're well done? Good Dream Eaters are medium rare.
Yokes aside, if they are made by the MoM, but they're still connected to the Player, wouldn't that suggest that the MoM may have gotten close to each player, maybe not physically necessarily, to either attach Chirithy to them made from...his own dreams?.. or to extract the player's dreams in order to synth up their respective Chirithy? Hrm.
[QUOTE="Luxu, post: 6420303, member: 244647"](Please note, if cooked to long the Dream Eater becomes defective)[\QUOTE]
Are you saying this is why Nightmares generally have a darker color? They're well done? Good Dream Eaters are medium rare.
Yokes aside, if they are made by the MoM, but they're still connected to the Player, wouldn't that suggest that the MoM may have gotten close to each player, maybe not physically necessarily, to either attach Chirithy to them made from...his own dreams?.. or to extract the player's dreams in order to synth up their respective Chirithy? Hrm.
I mean the Player does have two, and MoM did watch Ephemera so I wouldn't be surprised if they watched the Player or all Players. But why give the Player two? Unless you sense something in them.
But yes, Nightmares are burnt. I once undercooked a Dream Eater, it was all squishy and dumb, whenever it walked it would lose form and I would have to repair it.
I'm just so delighted.
I expected something boring involving Luxu and the Master, BUT NO - Maleficent is back and it's delicious
I'm just so delighted.
I expected something boring involving Luxu and the Master, BUT NO - Maleficent is back and it's delicious
Maleficent also mentioned Sora and Co. so where is the Player is the mysterious part. And why does she assume that the Player is threat? And will we meet Sora?
Not too much to go off of here and it presents us or at least me with more questions rather than answers. I highly anticipate seeing where things go next be it in Unchained X, 2.8, or hell even KH3 depending on where this is headed. Very fascinating stuff though that's for sure especially the bit with Maleficent there towards the end.
Not too much to go off of here and it presents us or at least me with more questions rather than answers. I highly anticipate seeing where things go next be it in Unchained X, 2.8, or hell even KH3 depending on where this is headed. Very fascinating stuff though that's for sure especially the bit with Maleficent there towards the end.
I have a feeling the Dandelions ended else where, the Player might be in the events of KH1 or in the RoS. So Season 2 is going to be about finding Ephemera and Skuld and leaving the RoS. But I realized upon rewatching the video, it seems like the Player was going to say "I...died?" Or "I...fought in a war?". Nice to know our Player is going to be important in how events go now...
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Could the anti black coat nightmare that Riku fights inside Sora's dream be Spirit Riku's nightmare? Because you could say as Chirithy is to the player, Riku is basically to Sora throughout KH3D. It would seem that every spirit has a nightmare equivalent, becsuse it's a manifestation of the darkness in one's heart.
The player defeated nightmare Chirithy, in which it remarked that the bond had been broken. I think this event led to the player awakening from whatever dream they were in. Also to note is the same soundtrack plays in the fight that played when fighting against anti black coat
Also recall how in the scene immediately before the fight, it zooms in Riku's spirit symbol on his back, then on the anti black coat's back it manifests a nightmare symbol, seemingly as a response.
When Riku defeats the anti black coat, Sora is almost able to wake from his first level of sleep. This is because he was also unchained from that dream. Just like the player in this instance.
This happens again also when Riku dives into Sora's sleeping heart. He defeats the nightmare captivating him which unchains him from the dream.
I think it's fairly apt to assume that the player wakes up from a dream about the keyblade war, as in, those final scenes were not actually occurring in reality, but within the player's dream. Which then leads me to believe that when Ephemera and Skuld aimed to be unchained, they meant being freed from being captive within the dream. Which they achieved and then waited for the player. Which is why we didn't see them again until the player awakened.
That's my theory anyway. Not sure why the player wakes up in the same era as Sora and co, maybe something to do with maleficent? *shrug*
The player defeated nightmare Chirithy, in which it remarked that the bond had been broken. I think this event led to the player awakening from whatever dream they were in. Also to note is the same soundtrack plays in the fight that played when fighting against anti black coat
The Player never awakened, the events in Chi (And most likely Unchained Chi) are taking place in reality. So they fought in the Keyblade War and all of that. Its hinted from this last update that, the Player is now in the Realm of Sleep or whatever Unchained is.
| I think it's fairly apt to assume that the player wakes up from a dream about the keyblade war, as in, those final scenes were not actually occurring in reality, but within the player's dream. Which then leads me to believe that when Ephemera and Skuld aimed to be unchained, they meant being freed from being captive within the dream. Which they achieved and then waited for the player. Which is why we didn't see them again until the player awakened. |
The Player most likely fought in the Keyblade War yes, Ephemera and Skuld are Unchained. And because of the Near Unchained state the Player was in, their appearance was most likely manifested by Kingdom Hearts and the Player's desire to unite with the Duo. So Kingdom Hearts might have helped the Player out more than me know.
| That's my theory anyway. Not sure why the player wakes up in the same era as Sora and co, maybe something to do with maleficent? *shrug* |
Because somehow the Player was dragged with Ephemera and Skuld to whatever world, somehow got torn apart again. And have to find one another. Daybreak Town Trio confirmed for KH3! Think about the use they would have! With them being the oldest Keyblade users currently alive, and the Player knows exactly why the war happened and they fought in it.
Could the anti black coat nightmare that Riku fights inside Sora's dream be Spirit Riku's nightmare? Because you could say as Chirithy is to the player, Riku is basically to Sora throughout KH3D. It would seem that every spirit has a nightmare equivalent, becsuse it's a manifestation of the darkness in one's heart.
That's what I proposed this Nightmare is for years, lol, and being Riku's Nightmare counterpart is what its most likely intention is.
The Anti-Black Coat has not only a very Riku-esque battle style and fits height-wise, it also has the Nightmare Symbol at the exact same place as Riku has his Spirit Symbol.
Just read the new translations and I can only think of one thing.
Chirithy: If only we had wings, too, right?
What if we get customizable Keyblade Gliders? We already have the armor. Just a fun thought between all the serious theories.
The Player never awakened, the events in Chi (And most likely Unchained Chi) are taking place in reality. So they fought in the Keyblade War and all of that.
I don't think so. Spirits and nightmares don't belong in the real world. Whatever was going on in X, which we won't truly know until a lot later, had to take place in the or some place influenced by the Realm of Sleep. There is no way what we were playing was occurring in real time. The secret ending implies that we are now in real time. Unless of course maleficent travelled back in time, but again I doubt that.
The secret ending implies that we are now in real time. Unless of course maleficent travelled back in time, but again I doubt that.
Wait, how is it more plausible that we traveled to the future? If anything, I think it's more plausible Maleficent traveled back in time.
I don't think so. Spirits and nightmares don't belong in the real world. Whatever was going on in X, which we won't truly know until a lot later, had to take place in the or some place influenced by the Realm of Sleep. There is no way what we were playing was occurring in real time. The secret ending implies that we are now in real time. Unless of course maleficent travelled back in time, but again I doubt that.
Chirithy is an exception to the Dream Eater rule because they were man made. They have had to exist in the real world in order to have been created by the Master of Masters in the first place. It wouldn't be a retcon for Chirithy's to exist in the real world.
So, is guilting not going to be a thing anymore in Unchained Key S2? Story wise, it probably shouldn't be. But I really hope they wouldn't make us unable to use our guilted medals entirely.
Like, making new medals that show up in S2 impossible to guilt would be one thing (provided that enemies aren't so strong that you'd absolutely need to use guilt), but here's hoping they won't go more extreme than that.
Though tbh, I can't imagine them making any changes to the gameplay at all.
Who knows? Maybe Nightmare Chirithy will show up and there will be a story reason that you can't stop using guilted medals. Like, you're linked to him--or something--and in order to get stronger, he compels you to guilt/use guilted medals and you can't resist that pull even if you want to.
In retrospect, it's kind of hilarious that the player doesn't just rip off the bangle after that scene - you still do guilt damage in the fights after Nightmare Chirithy.
In retrospect, it's kind of hilarious that the player doesn't just rip off the bangle after that scene - you still do guilt damage in the fights after Nightmare Chirithy.
Gameplay and story segregation at its finest.
Strictly spoken, anyone who doesn't want to "become" a traitor to the light and turn into a Seeker of Darkness should refrain from using any dark medals/cards at all as they're also represent the power of Darkness just like the guilt/sin.
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As for the question if Maleficent traveled to the past or the "Player" to the present it is also possible that neither is correct because in the Realm of Sleep there is no time flow. If this is all a dream/in a dream world present day-Maleficent just entered that dream world, she didn't really time travel.
Dreams have to do with sleep, one of Maleficent's primary attributes so it is feasible that she's good in this stuff.
There's also this part from Ansem SoD in DDD that might become relevant to Chi-characters as well:
Dreams hold our memories. Sleep holds our dreams. And darkness--it holds our sleep. |
Holy crap, what a curveball. The best plot twist in the KH series in my humble opinion.
So what I imagine happened is that the Dandelions were taking shelter inside the Book of Prophecies itself. That's how they survived the apocalypse, because the book did. After the apocalypse they all left. Skuld and Ephemera still saw that their friend was mortally wounded and couldn't be taken outside the stasis of the Book of Prophecies. They left him in there to heal, and possibly sleep in peace for eternity after all he did. (Although one or both could have very well have stayed behind to watch over him... I'm just assuming the former because he was alone aside from Chirithy when he woke up. Hopefully Skuld, simply because Ephemera is supposed to be the leader of the Dandelions, right? Hopefully he wouldn't shirk his duties.)
And there he slept... until Maleficent kicked in the door to the Book of Prophecies. The Player is now awake. He doesn't know that the most blatantly dark being he'll have ever seen face to face is in the Book with him. Doubtful he even knows he's in the book unless Chirithy tells him. And Maleficent, in turn, has no idea that a hundred million year old Keyblade Wielder is inside the book with her, and able to stop her in Sora's place since she seems so confident he can't follow her.
One thing is for sure: It's Maleficent time. She is officially Priority One and Xehanort's on the back burner. Because Xehanort needs seven of us to fight them to complete the X Blade. If we don't fight, no X Blade, at which point he has to go find the Princesses and threaten to fight them instead, which would take time. HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE HIS THIRTEENTH SEAT FILLED.
Maleficent, on the other hand, has the Book of Prophecies. She HAS it. NOW. If she figures out how to draw power from characters in the tome like we've been doing... holy shit. Even if Xehanort gets ahold of the X Blade, if she figures out how to use the Book, SHE COULD USE IT TO USE THE POWER OF XEHANORT WITH THE X BLADE FOR HERSELF. She could actually use the book to counter an X Blade wielding Xehanort!
Again. Forget Xehanort for now. At long last, it's Maleficent time. And if the Player doesn't figure out exactly who is in there with him and stop her... I truly believe only someone with the all powerful X Blade would be able to stop her.
Holy **** Maleficent. I love you for taking the spotlight back, but calm down.
I just had a thought: what if the universe of Kingdom Hearts in itself is a constant loop? I mean, the Book of Prophecies foretells the future. It has the power to conjure images from the future. What if, after the Keyblade War plunged everything into darkness, the Dandelions used Ava's copy of the Book, or even the other ones, not to "restore" the world, but rather to conjure the future worlds into their present? This could technically mean that KHx doesn't necessarily take place that distant in the past of the timeline, meaning that Ephemera, Skuld and the rest of the Dandelions could still be alive.
Think of it this way: the Book is a PC restore point, only that it has content from the future. Maybe the Book is meant to be a backup server for Kingdom Hearts...? xD
Wait, how is it more plausible that we traveled to the future? If anything, I think it's more plausible Maleficent traveled back in time.
Not saying we travelled to the future either. There's something more going on. Think more like a Ven, stuck in a constant state of sleep and we were either awakened, or maleficent was able to enter that dream world we are currently in. As for why we're in a dream world in the first place, it could either be due to reliving the memories of the book of prophecies, or because since the keyblade war the player has been stuck in some constant state of endless dream, like what would of happened to Sora if Riku didn't save him, which makes the player constantly relive the memory of the keyblade war. Something like that. I don't think time travel has anything to do with it.
Chirithy is an exception to the Dream Eater rule because they were man made. They have had to exist in the real world in order to have been created by the Master of Masters in the first place. It wouldn't be a retcon for Chirithy's to exist in the real world.
They were man made, sure, but by a man already in the dream world. From the beginning the story of X took place in some dream land. And the master of masters purposely placed everyone in there and "created" spirits, as in, they already existed there and he just manifest them and attached them to each player. In fact the "master of masters" probably got the hell of out there once he set up the scene. That's why no one could locate him. He simply wanted to observe. Remember Luxu said his task was to observe, so perhaps it was simply an experiment purposely created in the dream world to reenact the scene of the keyblade war to see how it all went down? Then you also have Luxu saying the master didn't care about the world, but simply how the "key" would guide us. To me it really does sound like some twisted experiment.
And again if my theory that there is some direct parallel between ansem the wise and the master of masters is true then it's not beyond him to try something that twisted :)
Sorry if I'm joining this convo real late, I came back after a long break.
I wonder though....If its possible that the Player doesn't truly "exist", so to speak.
What if the player that we control is someone who doesn't exist in the past but only inside the Book of Prophecies. It would make sense as why we are able to Customize our Players gender and look.
Sure, we can just say that we are just a Random Player from the past, but it wouldn't make sense with all the important things that did happen and with the Special Episode showing us a place that doesn't exists from the Chi Timeline.
Although, I do agree that by Maleficent appearing within the Book of Prophecies, its possible it shifted the Timeline within itself and tried to correct itself by changing the "past'.
Hmm...this sounds very confusing and not convincing at all.
It definitely sounds like Maleficent has the Book of Prophecies.
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Maleficent in Chi:
Maleficent: "Not even Sora and his friends can meddle in this world."
I don't think she's referring to the normal Realm of Light Enchanted Dominion. Why wouldn't Sora be able to get there?
I decided to look through older Maleficent cutscenes to put all of the relevant dialogue together.
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Maleficent in 2.5:
Maleficent: "It's said to be capable of transcribing events that have yet to take place."
"--legend has it the book can also conjure, making an entire world filled with beings and powers that have yet to exist."
She's learned of the Book of Prophecies and sees the potential to reach her goals.
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Maleficent in Dream Drop Distance:
Maleficent: "--he shared everything with me - how to go about winning a heart over to the darkness, and, most gloriously, about the seven hearts of pure light - the ones that would grant me the power I need to conquer all worlds."
"However, the worlds were too complex, too much even for me to contain. It seemed I had miscalculated. Then it came to me-of course! I could go about conquering other worlds in my own manner. You do have the "data" for all the worlds, do you not? And now you will hand it over to me."
"I now know that what I seek lies within these walls."
The fact she mentions those two things back to back makes it apparent what she's trying to do; digitally recreate the 7 Princess of Heart worlds.
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And what do we do in Unchained? Visit 4 out of 7 of the PoH worlds with a 5th appearing in the Special Episode/a Keyblade for the 5th appearing in the data.
Aaand we know Chi/Unchained's plots diverge. I imagine we'll travel to more worlds in Unchained after we catch up to the Chi plot.
Back Cover/the Chi credits are probably the true events of the Keyblade War (no player in either/BC is what's being used to catch people up for 3) while Chi and Unchained definitely seem like Maleficent's meddling to achieve her goals.
so does that mean all this time we were inside a world of dreams or book of propheciec since dream eaters like chirithy can only exist in a dream but what about the war event that can't be a dream when keyblade graveyard exist in the real world
It definitely sounds like Maleficent has the Tome of Prophecies.
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Maleficent in Chi:
Maleficent: "Not even Sora and his friends can meddle in this world."
I don't think she's referring to the normal Realm of Light Enchanted Dominion. Why wouldn't Sora be able to get there?
I decided to look through older Maleficent cutscenes to put all of the relevant dialogue together.
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Maleficent in 2.5:
Maleficent: "It's said to be capable of transcribing events that have yet to take place."
"--legend has it the book can also conjure, making an entire world filled with beings and powers that have yet to exist."
She's learned of the Book of Prophecies and sees the potential to reach her goals.
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Maleficent in Dream Drop Distance:
Maleficent: "--he shared everything with me - how to go about winning a heart over to the darkness, and, most gloriously, about the seven hearts of pure light - the ones that would grant me the power I need to conquer all worlds."
"However, the worlds were too complex, too much even for me to contain. It seemed I had miscalculated. Then it came to me-of course! I could go about conquering other worlds in my own manner. You do have the "data" for all the worlds, do you not? And now you will hand it over to me."
"I now know that what I seek lies within these walls."
The fact she mentions those two things back to back makes it apparent what she's trying to do; digitally recreate the 7 Princess of Heart worlds.
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And what do we do in Unchained? Visit 4 out of 7 of the PoH worlds with a 5th appearing in the Special Episode/a Keyblade for the 5th appearing in the data.
Aaand we know Chi/Unchained's plots diverge. I imagine we'll travel to more worlds in Unchained after we catch up to the Chi plot.
Back Cover/the Chi credits are probably the true events of the Keyblade War (no player in either/BC is what's being used to catch people up for 3) while Chi and Unchained definitely seem like Maleficent's meddling to achieve her goals.
*reads*
Hmm yea, I really like that approach and it makes sense with what we know from before as well.
So Maleficent is definitely trying to do her own thing, which means that maybe in KH III we will see a three-way conflict between Yen Sid, Sora & co., Xehanort's nortys and Maleficent.
Chirithy is an exception to the Dream Eater rule because they were man made. They have had to exist in the real world in order to have been created by the Master of Masters in the first place. It wouldn't be a retcon for Chirithy's to exist in the real world.
It's also possible Chirithies are just creatures in the real world and when they enter the RoS they become Dream Eaters. Like Riku became a Dream Eater, but what are the requirements for a creature to become a Dream Eater though.
In retrospect, it's kind of hilarious that the player doesn't just rip off the bangle after that scene - you still do guilt damage in the fights after Nightmare Chirithy.
Gameplay and story segregation at its finest.
Strictly spoken, anyone who doesn't want to "become" a traitor to the light and turn into a Seeker of Darkness should refrain from using any dark medals/cards at all as they're also represent the power of Darkness just like the guilt/sin.
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As for the question if Maleficent traveled to the past or the "Player" to the present it is also possible that neither is correct because in the Realm of Sleep there is no time flow. If this is all a dream/in a dream world present day-Maleficent just entered that dream world, she didn't really time travel.
Dreams have to do with sleep, one of Maleficent's primary attributes so it is feasible that she's good in this stuff.
There's also this part from Ansem SoD in DDD that might become relevant to Chi-characters as well:
I am curious what they will do with the bangle in Unchained X. Are they just gonna blame it on, it was all a dream it's safe to use?
But the dream technically describes event of the past. So when I say she traveled back in time I mean that she uses the RoS or the ToP to travel back in time. So I guess that wasn't clear, thought I said that a few pages back...
Between those two, I think that she uses the ToP.
Not saying we travelled to the future either. There's something more going on. Think more like a Ven, stuck in a constant state of sleep and we were either awakened, or maleficent was able to enter that dream world we are currently in. As for why we're in a dream world in the first place, it could either be due to reliving the memories of the book of prophecies, or because since the keyblade war the player has been stuck in some constant state of endless dream, like what would of happened to Sora if Riku didn't save him, which makes the player constantly relive the memory of the keyblade war. Something like that. I don't think time travel has anything to do with it.
Yeah, I can get behind that.
It definitely sounds like Maleficent has the Tome of Prophecies.
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Maleficent in Chi:
Maleficent: "Not even Sora and his friends can meddle in this world."
I don't think she's referring to the normal Realm of Light Enchanted Dominion. Why wouldn't Sora be able to get there?
I decided to look through older Maleficent cutscenes to put all of the relevant dialogue together.
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Maleficent in 2.5:
Maleficent: "It's said to be capable of transcribing events that have yet to take place."
"--legend has it the book can also conjure, making an entire world filled with beings and powers that have yet to exist."
She's learned of the Book of Prophecies and sees the potential to reach her goals.
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Maleficent in Dream Drop Distance:
Maleficent: "--he shared everything with me - how to go about winning a heart over to the darkness, and, most gloriously, about the seven hearts of pure light - the ones that would grant me the power I need to conquer all worlds."
"However, the worlds were too complex, too much even for me to contain. It seemed I had miscalculated. Then it came to me-of course! I could go about conquering other worlds in my own manner. You do have the "data" for all the worlds, do you not? And now you will hand it over to me."
"I now know that what I seek lies within these walls."
The fact she mentions those two things back to back makes it apparent what she's trying to do; digitally recreate the 7 Princess of Heart worlds.
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And what do we do in Unchained? Visit 4 out of 7 of the PoH worlds with a 5th appearing in the Special Episode/a Keyblade for the 5th appearing in the data.
Aaand we know Chi/Unchained's plots diverge. I imagine we'll travel to more worlds in Unchained after we catch up to the Chi plot.
Back Cover/the Chi credits are probably the true events of the Keyblade War (no player in either/BC is what's being used to catch people up for 3) while Chi and Unchained definitely seem like Maleficent's meddling to achieve her goals.
ToP all the way!
Also I think it's important to note that when you start X Chi you start with a book (probably the ToP) opening and then you go to the Dive to the Heart and start the game (recieving your Keyblade, choosing a Union etc.). Everytime you travel between worlds and you select to go the left or right world, in the background a page of that same book changes. Everytime we pull for Cards, they come out of that same book. So I'm pretty sure we are in the ToP.
Then there is also the case that the ToP might be in the RoS, or the the ToP IS the RoS.
so does that mean all this time we were inside a world of dreams or book of propheciec since dream eaters like chirithy can only exist in a dream but what about the war event that can't be a dream when keyblade graveyard exist in the real world
Hmm... remember Pinocchio's world? His world was in the RoS yet we met him in Monstro. It's the same case.
Also I think it's important to note that when you start X Chi you start with a book (probably the ToP) opening and then you go to the Dive to the Heart and start the game (recieving your Keyblade, choosing a Union etc.). Every time you travel between worlds and you select to go the left or right world, in the background a page of that same book changes. Every time we pull for Cards, they come out of that same book. So I'm pretty sure we are in the ToP.
So...does that mean our Player somehow appeared in the ToP or are we looking at the Story of our Player from the Top? That also brings another question...Who was our Player before coming into the ToP? Because our Player had woken up from it's Sleep.
As we see him or her awaken, it feels as if its a Nobody, who doesnt remember who it is and as it follows the story, it becomes its own person, as we see it begin to speak before hitting the final stages of Chi.
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Maybe the ToP is somehow connected with the RoS as the RoS is a place where time doesnt exist, while the ToP is (we think) a place where time is being looped over and over. (Master Ava gives us this suggestion)
And now it seems that, as some videos came out about KH 2.8, time does exist in the RoS but it's caused by an anomaly or something and its possible to reverse time as well, as seen in the videos from another Thread.
Yeesh, god forbid Nomura write a coherent story from start to finish anymore, huh.
Yeesh, god forbid Nomura write a coherent story from start to finish anymore, huh.
I can't believe that one short secret ending changed so much. Before all of this, we assumed that Chi was the real world and Unchained Key was a dream of it--and that after Skuld and Ephemer saved us in the ending of Chi, that was when we got pulled into the Realm of Sleep.
But now the Player and Chirithy think that Player fighting in the Keyblade Graveyard was all a dream (and who knows? Maybe it was), and with Maleficent in the mix--whilst knowing about Sora--we have absolutely no clue where or when we are anymore, or what's even happening.
Only Kingdom Hearts.
And Chi had seemed like it was finally making so much sense, too! Gah!
@Sephiroth0812 "So Maleficent is definitely trying to do her own thing, which means that maybe in KH III we will see a three-way conflict between Yen Sid, Sora & co., Xehanort's nortys and Maleficent." Here's hoping that KHIII's version of it goes a lot better than KHII's did. This is your chance, Nomura. Show us that you know how to do a three-side conflict without gypping any of the sides, and then we can call it a day and forget KHII's screwing over Maleficent and Pete ever happened:)
Edit: Anyone else here check out Soraalm1's theory about the secret ending. I really like it, actually, and could maybe see it being true. I kind of even want it to be true, because it seems a bit simpler than some other theories. Haha. :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO6X0ZfwS3I
I'm not a fan of Nomura putting major plot points in browser and mobile games, but whatever.
Back cover better give answers to all of this.
I like the data scape idea for the secret ending though.
I'm not a fan of Nomura putting major plot points in browser and mobile games, but whatever.
Back cover better give answers to all of this.
I think that the Player and Chirithy are suffering from memory loss because of the unique way they got Unchained, the involvement of Kingdom Hearts and fighting in the Keyblade War must have suppressed some memories. Because Player and Chirithy are in the same pose they where in at the Keyblade Graveyard, so the Player is most likely in the RoS. So that means Season 2 is going to be about regaining memories, finding Ephemera and Skuld, and finding a way out, as well as foiling with Maleficent's plans, and stealing the Book of Prophecies. And perhaps after they leave they get found by Sora and Co. and join the fight?
Hmmm...I wonder though.
Before the Keyblade War and the talk with Master Ava, we did skip a few months.
Maybe all that we saw was about the what was about to happen in the future, As it seems not many Keyblade Wielders survived, except for some of the Dandelions, as according to Kairi's Grandma, they were the children who re-built the lands into our current worlds that we know of. So we can be certain that the KW hasn't happened yet, at this point.
Although, maybe Maleficent was able to enter into the Tomb of Prophecies or where ever this takes place and as she entered a certain point in time or area, Her interaction caused the Keyblade War to not exist in that moment. Maybe thats why instead of disappearing into the light or becoming unchained and ending the Story line of the Keyblade War, Because of her, the KW doesn't happen at that time, but instead will happen at another time, and the story continues on, since it seems she wasn't supposed to be in this Timeline, but now she is and the Timeline will fix itself, since no Multi-Verse Exists here.
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Ya know, as I was typing this, I got another question in my mind. If we are now Unchained, shouldn't we be with Skuld and Ephemera right now? That's why I feel something is off or isn't right, at the moment...Maybe Unchained just means that your memory wont be altered anymore, to continue with the looping timeline?
Hmmm...I wonder though.
Before the Keyblade War and the talk with Master Ava, we did skip a few months.
Maybe all that we saw was about the what was about to happen in the future, As it seems not many Keyblade Wielders survived, except for some of the Dandelions, as according to Kairi's Grandma, they were the children who re-built the lands into our current worlds that we know of. So we can be certain that the KW hasn't happened yet, at this point.
Although, maybe Maleficent was able to enter into the Tomb of Prophecies or where ever this takes place and as she entered a certain point in time or area, Her interaction caused the Keyblade War to not exist in that moment. Maybe thats why instead of disappearing into the light or becoming unchained and ending the Story line of the Keyblade War, Because of her, the KW doesn't happen at that time, but instead will happen at another time, and the story continues on, since it seems she wasn't supposed to be in this Timeline, but now she is and the Timeline will fix itself, since no Multi-Verse Exists here.
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Ya know, as I was typing this, I got another question in my mind. If we are now Unchained, shouldn't we be with Skuld and Ephemera right now? That's why I feel something is off or isn't right, at the moment...Maybe Unchained just means that your memory wont be altered anymore, to continue with the looping timeline?
I made a whole thread about this question, I think because of the way the Player became "Unchained" (Via use of Kingdom Hearts) I think that it teleported the Player somewhere else (That being Enchanted Domain in the Realm of Sleep) the Player is the real unique one in their little trio. Losing memories, being thrown into the Realm of Sleep, we can never catch a break!
I made a whole thread about this question, I think because of the way the Player became "Unchained" (Via use of Kingdom Hearts) I think that it teleported the Player somewhere else (That being Enchanted Domain in the Realm of Sleep) the Player is the real unique one in their little trio. Losing memories, being thrown into the Realm of Sleep, we can never catch a break!
I did read your theory.
But I will say that the only one who didn't lose their memory, was our player. Because it still remembered what had happened.
Chirity is somehow affected, even though it shouldn't be, which is why there is something wrong going on here. Chirity still said to go home with our Player and yet, Maleficent from the Future is in Enchanted Dominion too...what also brought something else to my attention, is that she is wondering where some person (most likely Pete) is at.
And we think that Pete is Julius in the RoS Battle in 3D.
So yea, what your saying is true, we are in the Realm of Sleep but I wonder if the ToP is connected to the RoS, with both place's having to do with Time not Moving....Hmm, maybe the ToP resides in the RoS, and the outside worlds Master Ava talks about, is the Worlds in the RoS...or possibly DayBreakTown is a World in the Realm of Sleep and we can Explore the Worlds within the ToP and the RoS...some how, that feels more likely than this all happening inside a book....maybe.
I think that the Player and Chirithy are suffering from memory loss because of the unique way they got Unchained, the involvement of Kingdom Hearts and fighting in the Keyblade War must have suppressed some memories. Because Player and Chirithy are in the same pose they where in at the Keyblade Graveyard, so the Player is most likely in the RoS.
This is also what I think/hope is happening (it's way too confusing to consider otherwise). The actual ending said that Player would be asleep, after all (probably for some time), so I think it would make sense for some things to be foggy for them!
I mean, when Sora awoke after only sleeping a year in KHII, he completely forgot he even had magic in his first journey until Merlin reminded him of it (not to mention that he forgot how to even use it); and he lost a lot of his abilities, etc.
So how more would it make sense for Player to be effected in some similar way, then?
(Which also brings up some ideas about how Ven might be when he gets up.)
But really, it's the fact that we're in the same position we were in with Chirithy (where we left off that), that sells the Keyblade War thing really happening to me. I feel like it would just be too big a coincidence if that wasn't the case; and it's probably a narrative device the writers are using to try to inform us that everything we saw happen did and that this is the continuation of it.
@AurisFlown I think it's moreso that Player was probably asleep for years, as the ending of Chi (not to be confused with the Special Episode) hints at. And during that time, it would make sense for Ephemer and Skuld not to be with the sleeping player 24/7 (even though they'd probably want to, it wouldn't be realistic; not when Ephemer's the leader of the Dandelions). So maybe it's simply for that reason that they're not with Player right now. Maybe they're out doing something else, not even expecting Player to wake up at this point.
...Though tbh I do think that someone/something separated them, and is keeping Ephemer and Skuld from getting back to Player.
Though who really knows for sure?
This is also what I think/hope is happening (it's way too confusing to consider otherwise). The actual ending said that Player would be asleep, after all (probably for some time), so I think it would make sense for some things to be foggy for them!
I mean, when Sora awoke after only sleeping a year in KHII, he completely forgot he even had magic in his first journey until Merlin reminded him of it (not to mention that he forgot how to even use it); and he lost a lot of his abilities, etc.
So how more would it make sense for Player to be effected in some similar way, then?
(Which also brings up some ideas about how Ven might be when he gets up.)
But really, it's the fact that we're in the same position we were in with Chirithy (where we left off that), that sells the Keyblade War thing really happening to me. I feel like it would just be too big a coincidence if that wasn't the case; and it's probably a narrative device the writers are using to try to inform us that everything we saw happen did and that this is the continuation of it.
@AurisFlown I think it's moreso that Player was probably asleep for years, as the ending of Chi (not to be confused with the Special Episode) hints at. And during that time, it would make sense for Ephemer and Skuld not to be with the sleeping player 24/7 (even though they'd probably want to, it wouldn't be realistic; not when Ephemer's the leader of the Dandelions). So maybe it's simply for that reason that they're not with Player right now. Maybe they're out doing something else, not even expecting Player to wake up at this point.
...Though tbh I do think that someone/something separated them, and is keeping Ephemer and Skuld from getting back to Player.
Though who really knows for sure?
Wow, the Player must have been asleep for thousands of years and most likely still knows how to use medals (or cards). But if Maleficent found out about the Player's usage of medals (or cards) chances are she would try to kidnap them and try to use them to try to find the book. And if Ven is a Dandelion? So he would use medals so maybe he doesn't really know magic, but uses medals? But still, I think Season 2 will be about the Player finding out what happened, find Ephemera and Skuld, finding a way out, and defeating Maleficent
I kind of think being unchained erase our memories of the war because we were never meant to involved in the war
Everyone, to add more to this discussion it just hit me about the Room of Sleep and Awakening...
Could it be... Xemnas was using the room he created to access the Realm of Sleep? Or at least the period of time written in Book of Prophecy?
But why? Was he actually able to enter the sleeping world? And if he did what was he doing? Is he related to Luxu, apart from the connection to Xehanort? Even Xigbar was unsure what he was doing in there, and apparently they are meant to be working together.
But then again, it has been hinted that each Xehanort has their own ambitions and intentions so.. They are all hiding something from each other.
Everyone, to add more to this discussion it just hit me about the Room of Sleep and Awakening...
Could it be... Xemnas was using the room he created to access the Realm of Sleep? Or at least the period of time written in Book of Prophecy?
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I don't think Xemnas had access the realm of sleep. The only thing we do know is that Xemnas was talking to his "Friend" through the room, we don't know how he was doing it. However, we do know from Xigbar's conversation with Zexion in KH 2 that Xemnas was talking out loud. Xigbar just couldn't tell what he was saying. So unless Xemnas talks in his sleep, he must not have been in the realm of sleep.
I don't think Xemnas had access the realm of sleep. The only thing we do know is that Xemnas was talking to his "Friend" through the room, we don't know how he was doing it. However, we do know from Xigbar's conversation with Zexion in KH 2 that Xemnas was talking out loud. Xigbar just couldn't tell what he was saying. So unless Xemnas talks in his sleep, he must not have been in the realm of sleep.
Ya know, I do remember there being a scene where Xigbar claimed he heard another voice too, but im not certain of this...
Gameplay and story segregation at its finest.
Strictly spoken, anyone who doesn't want to "become" a traitor to the light and turn into a Seeker of Darkness should refrain from using any dark medals/cards at all as they're also represent the power of Darkness just like the guilt/sin.
lol, it would be pretty hard to stop using the dark medals considering that they are some of the more powerful medals in unchained chi, particularly if your a free to play player.
I sort of agree that the secret episode is taking place in the realm of sleep. It also means that the foretellers might not be dead since in a sleeping world it just repeats the events until the world is woken up or the characters somehow escape from it (I'm sorry if I got anything wrong with how sleeping worlds work).
Nomura seems to love not killing characters in kingdom hearts doesn't he. Not that that's a bad thing but it does decrease tension in a story if everyone can keep coming back to life every time they get killed by a villain.
Nomura seems to love not killing characters in kingdom hearts doesn't he. Not that that's a bad thing but it does decrease tension in a story if everyone can keep coming back to life every time they get killed by a villain.
well, it doesn't seem that getting killed is worse from what we've seen.
We have things like Being forgotten, Sleeping forever, Being in pain, Constantly Fighting for Control over your body, Being stuck in the RoD and loosing your will, becoming mad, etc.
Those Instances raises the tension even more because instead of passing on, you'll most likely end up suffering forever....Now that makes more tension.
well, it doesn't seem that getting killed is worse from what we've seen.
We have things like Being forgotten, Sleeping forever, Being in pain, Constantly Fighting for Control over your body, Being stuck in the RoD and loosing your will, becoming mad, etc.
Those Instances raises the tension even more because instead of passing on, you'll most likely end up suffering forever....Now that makes more tension.
True, Aqua's fall into the realm of darkness after saving terranort and the aftermath of Ven's story always leaves me with a heavy heart (and sometimes makes me teary) but then there is Axel's 'death' where he comes back later as Lea in DDD, it does make it harder to take the story seriously sometimes. I couldn't take Xion's death seriously either but that was more to do with Roxas's comment about ice cream.
But really, it's the fact that we're in the same position we were in with Chirithy (where we left off that), that sells the Keyblade War thing really happening to me. I feel like it would just be too big a coincidence if that wasn't the case; and it's probably a narrative device the writers are using to try to inform us that everything we saw happen did and that this is the continuation of it.
@AurisFlown I think it's moreso that Player was probably asleep for years, as the ending of Chi (not to be confused with the Special Episode) hints at. And during that time, it would make sense for Ephemer and Skuld not to be with the sleeping player 24/7 (even though they'd probably want to, it wouldn't be realistic; not when Ephemer's the leader of the Dandelions). So maybe it's simply for that reason that they're not with Player right now. Maybe they're out doing something else, not even expecting Player to wake up at this point.
...Though tbh I do think that someone/something separated them, and is keeping Ephemer and Skuld from getting back to Player.
Imagine though Ephemer and Skuld checking up on their sleeping friend during one of their breaks only to find out the player is missing and no where to be found. Or before that the two dead worried that their pal would never wake up.
I think the Room of Sleep (Chamber of Repose, as it was confirmed to be called in Days) has properties more akin to the memory rooms in Castle Oblivion, than that as a gateway to the Realm of Sleep. And yes, Xigbar told Zexion that he would sometimes hear Xemnas speaking with someone else. It's been theorized before that it's possible that Xemnas' heart was projecting Master Xehanort and were speaking about their plans.
The more I think about it, the more I swear that Soraalm1 is right.
Chi is what really happened, and Player's story probably ended when Ephemer and Skuld saved them (though maybe they were also one of the people to rebuild the lost world, and then died naturally some years after that).
But I feel like Unchained Key is a simulation, ala the Datascape, and now we're seeing something new with the characters there--that never didn't exist for them--because it's technically Data Player, Data Chirithy, Data Ephemer, and Data Skuld we're now dealing with.
Data Sora did things that real Sora didn't do, I mean, and was all around different from him in ways.
Honestly, this makes too much sense to me.
The more I think about it, the more I swear that Soraalm1 is right.
Chi is what really happened, and Player's story probably ended when Ephemer and Skuld saved them (though maybe they were also one of the people to rebuild the lost world, and then died naturally some years after that).
But I feel like Unchained Key is a simulation, ala the Datascape, and now we're seeing something new with the characters there--that never didn't exist for them--because it's technically Data Player, Data Chirithy, Data Ephemer, and Data Skuld we're now dealing with.
Data Sora did things that real Sora didn't do, I mean, and was all around different from him in ways.
Honestly, this makes too much sense to me.
The more I think about it, the more I swear that Soraalm1 is right.
Chi is what really happened, and Player's story probably ended when Ephemer and Skuld saved them (though maybe they were also one of the people to rebuild the lost world, and then died naturally some years after that).
But I feel like Unchained Key is a simulation, ala the Datascape, and now we're seeing something new with the characters there--that never didn't exist for them--because it's technically Data Player, Data Chirithy, Data Ephemer, and Data Skuld we're now dealing with.
Data Sora did things that real Sora didn't do, I mean, and was all around different from him in ways.
Honestly, this makes too much sense to me.
But what would be the purpose of recreating the contents of the Tome on the Datascape? To create the potential of this wielders developing a heart and using them in the War?
Honestly, I don't think this is a data recreation. Maleficent spoke of the tome, and then we see her in the world of "chi". Maybe she found the Tome and is inside it...?
But what would be the purpose of recreating the contents of the Tome on the Datascape? To create the potential of this wielders developing a heart and using them in the War?
Honestly, I don't think this is a data recreation. Maleficent spoke of the tome, and then we see her in the world of "chi". Maybe she found the Tome and is inside it...?
Or maybe she digitalized the tome in order to enter into it, the same way that MDG did to enter Jiminy's Journal?
Perhaps she's after the Seven Princesses again to get Kingdom Hearts? She said in DDD that the actual worlds ended up being too much for her, and so she wanted the Data that Mickey had in order to go about conquering in her own way. (But that plan ended up getting thwarted. Or did it?)
The people during the Keyblade War were simulating the Seven Princesses into the Chi era, so perhaps Maleficent thinks she can nab all of them, bring them to the real world (like how Riku brought the munny from Digital Twilight Town to the real Twilight Town), and then conquer that way--if the manifested Princesses meet the same bill that the actual ones do, that is.
And this way, she could get all seven of them without traveling to the actual places and getting stopped by Sora.
In fact, since Maleficent is heavily implying that no one even knows what she's done, she could even end up winning before anyone notices anything's awry! And being on equal grounds with what Xehanort's planning/doing, too!
...She won't win, of course. But the things I posted above are probably along the lines of what she's thinking, I believe.
I dont think it would be the datascape though.
The DataScape was created when Jiminy's Journal was extracted into Data and put into a Computer in Disney Castle.
Most likely her power over Sleep and Darkness has allowed her to enter the Tomb of Prophecies, in a way no one (normally) should be able to enter. Kinda like how Sora was able to Enter the world of Winnie the Pooh, while the heartless were only able to grab the book and not the World's Heart inside.
DUDE, I just realized that the Existence of Worlds inside books has existed since KH.
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August 29, 2016 @ 08:47 amOffline